Wow, thats a shocker and to think I just thought it was solid recruiting from an overhyped hasbeen NFL coach that got them back to a National Heavywieght. And to think it was money that rose mighty USC from the shitter that they were in the late 90's and early 00. Let me save you some time in 1998 8-5, 1999 6-6 NO BOwl, 2000 5-7 No BOwl, 2001 6-6 Huge Bowl game Las Vega s Bowl loss to Utah. Good Luck with your sanctions, and hopefully death penalty when Jarret is found to have accepted money as well and then reinstated.
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If bush is Guilty and this may be a big if, i don't see where USC is gonna be penalized. The only way is if they knowingly played and ineligable player and somewhere down the line a coach would have to be involved or knew bush was receiving said payments. I think this is alot tougher to proof then most think. I really doubt anything comes out of this. Even he did take money will be alot harder to tie in USC unless there is a paper trail or someone confesses. Time will tell.
all those programs pay players. Heck, if UK nearly go the death penalty in football and suck as bad as they do, you know the big programs are.
NCAA rules are very clear, no postseason team or individual awards are to stand. Which means the '04 champ needs to be redecided, and Vince Young will wind up winning the Heisman Award.
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This is going to sound like the biggest horse shit post in the history of MadJacks but here it goes. It even starts with the lamest of opening lines....
I have a good friend (
) that was at a wedding with a head basketball coach of one of the top teams in the SEC. My friend is a UK grad, and he asked Coach X why Kentucky has been so bad lately in basketball.
Coach X answered, "Because Tubby doesn't cheat."
End of story. Flame on.
I have a good friend (
) that was at a wedding with a head basketball coach of one of the top teams in the SEC. My friend is a UK grad, and he asked Coach X why Kentucky has been so bad lately in basketball.Coach X answered, "Because Tubby doesn't cheat."
End of story. Flame on.
Tenzing you better look at the rules again. The only way USC is held accountable is if they were involved. If bush did this on his own then USC is in the clear. They only thing that could be in jeopardy may be the heisman which I doubt that even occurs, u texans can wish for the hiesman but I doubt u ever get it.. This is more complex and complicated then what is on the surface.
Bush did nothing against the law. Only thing would be if he violated NCAA rules. If so and USC was unaware at the time then they are not responsible. At the time in their eyes he was fully eligible which he was. If not its gonna be hard to prove USC knew unless a coach is involved and a paper trail occurs. I personally think nothing occurs but we shall see.
Bush did nothing against the law. Only thing would be if he violated NCAA rules. If so and USC was unaware at the time then they are not responsible. At the time in their eyes he was fully eligible which he was. If not its gonna be hard to prove USC knew unless a coach is involved and a paper trail occurs. I personally think nothing occurs but we shall see.
Stuart Mandell of SI.com writes...
Stuart Mandell of SI.com writes...
Tainted legacy
If Yahoo! report is true, Bush, USC will pay hefty price
Posted: Friday September 15, 2006 12:45PM; Updated: Friday September 15, 2006 2:05PM
For three years, we watched with awe and appreciation as Reggie Bush electrified college football like few before him. We got to know, through countless interviews and press conferences, a seemingly humble, pleasant kid from San Diego whose introverted demeanor contrasted that of his Hollywood party-boy teammate, Matt Leinart. And we couldn't help but admire the way coach Pete Carroll built USC into a dominant program while maintaining a uniquely fun and relaxed atmosphere unparalleled among its counterparts.
All of it is now irreparably tainted.
The Yahoo! Sports report that Heisman Trophy winner Bush and his family accepted money and benefits worth more than $100,000 while he was still a player at USC is a stunning revelation that could lead to Bush being stripped of his Heisman, the Trojans' 2005 season being erased from the record books and the NCAA hitting the program with major sanctions.
What makes the Yahoo! article so damning is the extent of the documented evidence the Web site says it has obtained. For instance, in March 2005 Bush allegedly signed a $623.63 bill to the credit card of wannabe marketer Michael Michaels for a stay at the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas. Michaels himself signed another document authorizing the hotel to accept the charges. Based on NCAA case history, this transgression alone would be enough to render Bush ineligible last season if NCAA investigators obtain the same documents.
But Yahoo! has much more. An employee of Bush's marketing representative, Mike Ornstein, allegedly paid for plane tickets and a limousine ride for Bush's family to a USC-Cal game. The Web site has a copy of the credit-card bill. Ornstein, either oblivious or defiant of NCAA bylaws, defended the arrangement as a "loan." That's illegal. So, too, was negotiating endorsement deals on Bush's behalf before he signed with Ornstein -- another of Ornstein's admissions.
And that's just the stuff that's been proven or admitted to. Other allegations in the article, attributed to various sources, include Michaels' short-lived company, New Era Sports, buying Bush a car and paying to deck it out; Ornstein giving regular cash payouts to Bush's parents and brother; and the family living rent-free in a posh San Diego house owned by Michaels (originally alleged last spring).
The NCAA and Pac-10 are investigating the alleged extra benefits Bush might have received. Both organizations will now be under significant pressure to corroborate Yahoo!'s allegations, particularly the ones involving documented examples of Bush jeopardizing his eligibility. While the NCAA cannot strip USC of any titles because it doesn't administer college football's postseason, it can levy any number of other sanctions, such as a bowl ban and scholarship reductions.
When Yahoo!'s original report about Bush's family and Michaels' house was published last April, it was easy for Trojans coach Pete Carroll to downplay the connection to his former star. "Think back to when you were in school," Carroll told the Los Angeles Times last spring. "Did you know how your parents paid the mortgage?" Only the most blindly loyal USC fan, however, could read this most recent report and still consider the Saints rookie to have been an innocent bystander.
And while Carroll has insisted on numerous occasions that he and his staff educate their players as best they can about the various rules regarding agents, according to Yahoo!, New Era representatives were allowed to visit the Trojans' locker room and Ornstein and other agents watched games from the sideline. While it's impossible to police all contact between players and agents, it's sure possible to police your own locker room and sideline. If investigators find proof that coaches or staff members at USC failed to exercise "institutional control" in these areas, it would significantly increase the possibility of repercussions against the school.
Bush is a dazzling talent and as dangerous a playmaker as we've seen. At USC he was known for staying after practice to sign autographs for children. Since arriving in New Orleans, he has engaged in multiple philanthropic ventures in support of his new town, still reeling from Hurricane Katrina.
Now his reputation is taking a serious blow. On one hand, it appears that Bush and his family were manipulated by some insidious people. Ornstein, his marketing rep, was once convicted of trying to defraud the NFL. But Bush is a bright kid. He had to know exactly what he was doing when he signed that hotel bill. Surely he knew how his family was able to ride in a limo.
Both of those things are against NCAA rules. And if the allegations are true, Bush and USC will pay dearly for it.
Stuart Mandell of SI.com writes...
Tainted legacy
If Yahoo! report is true, Bush, USC will pay hefty price
Posted: Friday September 15, 2006 12:45PM; Updated: Friday September 15, 2006 2:05PM
For three years, we watched with awe and appreciation as Reggie Bush electrified college football like few before him. We got to know, through countless interviews and press conferences, a seemingly humble, pleasant kid from San Diego whose introverted demeanor contrasted that of his Hollywood party-boy teammate, Matt Leinart. And we couldn't help but admire the way coach Pete Carroll built USC into a dominant program while maintaining a uniquely fun and relaxed atmosphere unparalleled among its counterparts.
All of it is now irreparably tainted.
The Yahoo! Sports report that Heisman Trophy winner Bush and his family accepted money and benefits worth more than $100,000 while he was still a player at USC is a stunning revelation that could lead to Bush being stripped of his Heisman, the Trojans' 2005 season being erased from the record books and the NCAA hitting the program with major sanctions.
What makes the Yahoo! article so damning is the extent of the documented evidence the Web site says it has obtained. For instance, in March 2005 Bush allegedly signed a $623.63 bill to the credit card of wannabe marketer Michael Michaels for a stay at the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas. Michaels himself signed another document authorizing the hotel to accept the charges. Based on NCAA case history, this transgression alone would be enough to render Bush ineligible last season if NCAA investigators obtain the same documents.
But Yahoo! has much more. An employee of Bush's marketing representative, Mike Ornstein, allegedly paid for plane tickets and a limousine ride for Bush's family to a USC-Cal game. The Web site has a copy of the credit-card bill. Ornstein, either oblivious or defiant of NCAA bylaws, defended the arrangement as a "loan." That's illegal. So, too, was negotiating endorsement deals on Bush's behalf before he signed with Ornstein -- another of Ornstein's admissions.
And that's just the stuff that's been proven or admitted to. Other allegations in the article, attributed to various sources, include Michaels' short-lived company, New Era Sports, buying Bush a car and paying to deck it out; Ornstein giving regular cash payouts to Bush's parents and brother; and the family living rent-free in a posh San Diego house owned by Michaels (originally alleged last spring).
The NCAA and Pac-10 are investigating the alleged extra benefits Bush might have received. Both organizations will now be under significant pressure to corroborate Yahoo!'s allegations, particularly the ones involving documented examples of Bush jeopardizing his eligibility. While the NCAA cannot strip USC of any titles because it doesn't administer college football's postseason, it can levy any number of other sanctions, such as a bowl ban and scholarship reductions.
When Yahoo!'s original report about Bush's family and Michaels' house was published last April, it was easy for Trojans coach Pete Carroll to downplay the connection to his former star. "Think back to when you were in school," Carroll told the Los Angeles Times last spring. "Did you know how your parents paid the mortgage?" Only the most blindly loyal USC fan, however, could read this most recent report and still consider the Saints rookie to have been an innocent bystander.
And while Carroll has insisted on numerous occasions that he and his staff educate their players as best they can about the various rules regarding agents, according to Yahoo!, New Era representatives were allowed to visit the Trojans' locker room and Ornstein and other agents watched games from the sideline. While it's impossible to police all contact between players and agents, it's sure possible to police your own locker room and sideline. If investigators find proof that coaches or staff members at USC failed to exercise "institutional control" in these areas, it would significantly increase the possibility of repercussions against the school.
Bush is a dazzling talent and as dangerous a playmaker as we've seen. At USC he was known for staying after practice to sign autographs for children. Since arriving in New Orleans, he has engaged in multiple philanthropic ventures in support of his new town, still reeling from Hurricane Katrina.
Now his reputation is taking a serious blow. On one hand, it appears that Bush and his family were manipulated by some insidious people. Ornstein, his marketing rep, was once convicted of trying to defraud the NFL. But Bush is a bright kid. He had to know exactly what he was doing when he signed that hotel bill. Surely he knew how his family was able to ride in a limo.
Both of those things are against NCAA rules. And if the allegations are true, Bush and USC will pay dearly for it.
You are 100% wrong. If he is an ineligible player, which he is if the facts as alleged are true, they forfeit games whether they knew or not. I cant believe you truly think your post is correct....it isnt even a close call. And a little reality...you only dont know if your head is in the sand. geez look at all the kids with 2 carat studs in each ear....does someone think they all had the spare cash just sitting around for those?
I GUARANTEE you USC is going to be held 100% accountable for Bush's actions or any other player's actions, regardless of whether they knew what was going on or not. At the beginning of every season, each school's athletic department is to have a meeting with all coaches and players to go over new rules in the NCAA manual in regards to dealing with boosters, agents, etc. They are given manuals from the NCAA with specifics on what is legal and what is not legal. I know this because I was an equipment manager for the football team at Memphis State University from 1990-93 and attended 3 of those meetings. Right, wrong or indifferent, USC will pay the price for Bush's wrong doings. With your school of thought, my beloved Crimson Tide should never have been put on probation because none of the coaches or administrators knew that some high school coach was pimping one of his stud athletes to a rogue booster. Like it or not, there are rules on the books and schools are held accountable. Don't worry about Reggie though, he's got his millions and I'm sure could care less about what happens now. It's the players there now and in the future that will suffer because of his stupidity.
I disagree fellas I don't think USC will get anything out of this unless the staff is involved. The program has to be involved in some matter. What Bush does without others knowing is not punishable. Nothing happens in the end. We'll see who's right when all the crap hits the fan
After the Sugar Bowl game in January 1993, Gene Jelks of Alabama signed with an agent, but never told anyone. He decided to stay in school for the 1993 season and played. When it was found out that he had signed with an agent, WITH NO KNOWLEDGE BY THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT OR COACHES, Alabama was stripped of all wins from the 1993 season and placed on probation. Alabama was NEVER involved with Jelks or his agent and they still paid the price.
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I'm sure he's lurking somewhere in the shadows still licking his wounds from last year's Rose Bowl.
No I understand the rules I have read it and read it and actually u need an attorney to figure out some of the lingo. In all honesty I think every program cheats one way or another. I do however think his heisman could be in jeopardy. Which I will be shocked if it is taken away but possible. Now they are saying a coach had knowledge of the said infractions. If so then Yes USC will pay. But if it cannot be proven then nothing happens IMO.
b/c of his stupidity??players now and in the future will suffer b/c the ncaa is a fkn joke....he is making his millions now and he should tell the ncaa to fuk off,thats what the ncaa tells 100s of innocent student athletes who sufferd for chit they have nothing to do with.
i dont know if the heismen is part of the ncaa,or is the ny athletic club or something.if it is the ncaa's ,he should have a press confrence and throw it in a garbage can,like bowe did to another joke governing bodys champion belt.
6.01.1 Institutional Control
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.
I got tired of reading...but cmon, USC didnt know about this? Bush being the superstar he is...USC wasnt curious when they visited his family at their house? Lets use some common sense here.
