On another note you have to be kidding me to not see the security guards over there who are making ten times what you were for the same dam work. You say "but that is the way it goes" MY god man i guess you could say that about all the stealing to.
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no i think the documentary will discuss other issues also that are tied to the ones i talked about. including the fleecing going on.
And once again u comment about something you have no actual clue about. security people do not do the same job soldiers do. in actuallity they are at more risk then soldiers. they usually are security for high ranking officials etc. civilian security does not gaurd the military. they have a seperate mission. like i have said before people back in states have no reality of what actually happens there.
just because u sit behind a tv and watch cnn, fox , a&e etc. gives u no true prospective of what is actually happening. and yea it doesn't bother me nor did any seem to bother others i was with. this discussion never took place. we seen what they go thru and i felt safer doing what i was doing.
And once again u comment about something you have no actual clue about. security people do not do the same job soldiers do. in actuallity they are at more risk then soldiers. they usually are security for high ranking officials etc. civilian security does not gaurd the military. they have a seperate mission. like i have said before people back in states have no reality of what actually happens there.
just because u sit behind a tv and watch cnn, fox , a&e etc. gives u no true prospective of what is actually happening. and yea it doesn't bother me nor did any seem to bother others i was with. this discussion never took place. we seen what they go thru and i felt safer doing what i was doing.
who in the world said they guarded the military?
i wonder if it bothers you that isreal has the technology that has something to do with those shoulder missles (surface to air i think they are called) which takes them right out and saves lives big time. They have the patent on it but our gov't won't use it because there is a company over here trying to develope it. So in fact what could save lives now we won't get because we an administration who is waiting for one of their buddies to get theirs up and working. Now if this don't bother you i don't know what will. I wish i could find this article but im having trouble.
i have no idea what u r talking about with missles. missles are not used in iraq. there is no air threat. rules of engagement in baghdad do not permit even the use of mark-19's due to collateral damage and possible civilians lives being lost.
hell our own ordinance is being used against us in making ied's. russian weapons are being used against us, chinese products etc. everyones hand is in this cookie jar.
i have said enough. i rarely talk about this subject and this is the reason why. people back know more than those on the battlefield so it may seem.
hell our own ordinance is being used against us in making ied's. russian weapons are being used against us, chinese products etc. everyones hand is in this cookie jar.
i have said enough. i rarely talk about this subject and this is the reason why. people back know more than those on the battlefield so it may seem.
I'm siding with teaseit on this one. There sure are a lot of "if's" and "i would" in there.
Believing one politician over another is not exactly what you can call "being educated"
And your claims about the gross overpayment of civilian workers in the same place as the military. When you figure out what the ENTIRE story and logic behind it is, I am sure you will understand. It's a lot more than two guys standing next to each other and one getting paid more than the other.
It's apparent to me that you do not at this time fully comprehend the mentality and core values and beliefs of the majority of the members of the armed services, nor does it appear that you ever will. It's not about going somewhere blind and doing what the mean man with more stripes than you says.
i'd go into some detail and lecture on it to you, but it sounds like it might be a lost cause. Please don't use the "i would, if i were, i should" lines in tell us what you would do if you were over there. I'm not saying that to be mean, or start a flame war, I am saying it because it sickens me to think that there are military members that think like that, and it insults me to hear someone with that attitude attempt to associate themselves with those men and women over there.
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well said marine. its easy to pass judgement while laying on the coach. i didnt not want to go into the pay issues either because as u stated their is alot more to it than on the surface. if youd apply for a job over there u would see what I am talking about.
by the way marine I feel for your fellow soldiers over there. them guys are just plain nuts sometimes. i have alot of respect for the marines. the shit they are going through is unreal. funny how you won't see a camera crew following them around much. the crew probably wouldn't last long.
by the way marine I feel for your fellow soldiers over there. them guys are just plain nuts sometimes. i have alot of respect for the marines. the shit they are going through is unreal. funny how you won't see a camera crew following them around much. the crew probably wouldn't last long.
I'm not sure what you mean. What cuts were made that would force us into using all these Natl Guardsmen? I know we didn't cut our numbers to the point that we can't come up with 150,000 active soldiers.
dtb...
just so you know the difference between the 2murphy's.....
smurphy is a good tipper in a restaurant while danmurphy has no qualms about stiffing a waiter.
lmao!! danmurphy is also one of the biggest tools this forum has ever known (see the Hiroshima thread for starters). I might disagree with smurphy on some things, but I think we will both at least call a spade a spade and not toe the line on every issue like danmurphy, sponge and hammer(jewhater)1.
smurphy there were cuts made years ago. many were offered early outs. VSI i believe is what it was called. i think the criteria called for at least 15 years service to qualify. the army went from 18 divisions to 10. the air force went from 24 wings to 15 or 13. the navy also cut its fleet but i cannot remember to what extent. also throw in normal retirement and turn over rate. i do not know the exact number of troops but it was a significant amount.
these troops were not replaced. thus when oif kicked off and it was forseen that it was not a walk in the park more troops were neeeded. were do u get them? the guard, reserve, the vsi early outs and irr.
these troops were not replaced. thus when oif kicked off and it was forseen that it was not a walk in the park more troops were neeeded. were do u get them? the guard, reserve, the vsi early outs and irr.
Somehow u guys are turning this into me against our armed forces. I sat and watch cspan for a couple of hours watching one Halliburton worker after another tell about the war profiteering. This isn't being informed? Did they all have agenda's. It pains me to watch kids going over there for an totally unnessesary war to profit a select few. I can't help it that this premise can't sink in your heads or its not a big deal for you. You try to play the couch game with me like you are over there fighting for my freedom. Well guess what your not. From you guys being sent over there we have created thousands of Bin Ladens. The world was behind us in afghanstan and now look at what this has caused. Your were over there fighting a rich man's game. Are we safer now than we were before ? Hell no. Have we been attack in five years? No but these guys don't work on our rushed time tables. Let me try to make this as clear as i can when i see a couple of guys in the military standing in front of me in a line or in a resturant i pay their meals. I have the utmost respect for our military and i think they are getting railroaded here. I respect your service big time but im not gonna sit here with blinders on and not tell it the way i see it. Something tells me that if Clinton was in charge all this time your views would be the same as mine.
Let me question a few of the things you say here. Believing one politician over another? Sorry bud i have my own mind i don't listen to any politician. So that is the first thing you said wrong about me. On another not i didn't once say i woul do anything over there so once again your misinformed. The only thing i said is i would go to prison if they sent me to Iraq.
As for core values. Im sure this will get me in the most trouble but im not gonna paint something with rose color glasses here. Most kids that go into the military now do not go over there with so called core values. They are from broken homes, in trouble with the law ect. I see it with my own eyes and see it from my own family. i almost house a kid because his asshole parents didn't want anything to do with him and he wasn't a bad kid. Just a disgrace. Now for the ten guys that joined there was one who actually wanted to go fight. Now i will say this and this is what makes me the most proud of our military. these kids comeback much bettter than they left. that is a huge credit to our military. I will say this also we are gonna have a huge problem with a lot of these kids if this thing ever gets over. The human mind can't condition themselves to watch what they are watching. Its brutal what they are going thru. A lot of these kids are gonna have mental problems. There are a lot of sucides i read about and this is from this bullshit war. Try and understand this one last time. No matter what you guys say i will always be behind our military. You may not think so but that is your opinion. I feel that what i say is the right thing to say and it needs to be out there. That in my mind is supporting the troops.
So, you have made up your own mind on the situation there. Which, I do commend. But - where did you get your information from to make that decision? I'm pretty sure you did not go over there on your own little fact finding mission, nor sit in the House and lilsten to the conversations going on about it. You got it from the media. Nothing wrong with that, but where does the media get its info from? Congress.
Sponge, I quouted your words, don't tell me I quoted them wrong about the i woulds, and i will and if onlys.
Thirdly,
kids don't get in the military with law problems. We don't want them either. We are not babysitters. They are not the bottom of the barrel that society offers us.
When I joined I was a white boy, from a suburban, upper/middle class family with a HS education and a good student with college prospects. No trouble with the law, no problems with my record, no educational issues, no mental problems. Of the 90 men in my boot camp platoon 90% were in the same boat as me.
When I did my second stint - I was a college grad of a top 5 engineer school, mid 20's, wife, and again, no disciplinary problems or social retardation issues.
Everytime I hear people bring up the broken home/jail or army thoeries I want to throw up in disgust. That is not now, that is not even 10 years ago. That was 40 years ago - back when we couldn't have women in combat.. back when you couldn't be a minority to vote.. blah blah blah.
yup, the 15 yrs early retirement program... one of the dirtiest/nastiest things the government has done to the armed forces.
I Strongly second Marines thougts on the bottom of the barrell which is so far from the truth it is laughable. The military has some of the brightest minds around. West Point is one of the prestigous schools in the nation. Along with several other academy's the military has.
I guess we could just go to walmart and heard up a bunch of cashiers and managers and the military would be better severed with them going to iraq instead of the the degenerates the military recruits. Keep watching tv your knowledge of how the military performs and how iraq actually is, is astounding.
Suicide rates up is not just because of the war. It is because of how american society has deteriated over time. Many of these guys go off married and come how to nothing. Wifes have left them or have cleaned out there accounts. Now you can blame the war all you want.. But when will people be held accountable for their actions? This is the true crime that goes unpunished. Why hasnt anyone complained or stepped in and stood up for the soldier who is basically raped by their significant other while deployed? Happens hundreds of times during each deployment. Funny how I see none of the so called soldier supporters crying foul. U have no actual clue as to what is occuring over there.
I guess we could just go to walmart and heard up a bunch of cashiers and managers and the military would be better severed with them going to iraq instead of the the degenerates the military recruits. Keep watching tv your knowledge of how the military performs and how iraq actually is, is astounding.
Suicide rates up is not just because of the war. It is because of how american society has deteriated over time. Many of these guys go off married and come how to nothing. Wifes have left them or have cleaned out there accounts. Now you can blame the war all you want.. But when will people be held accountable for their actions? This is the true crime that goes unpunished. Why hasnt anyone complained or stepped in and stood up for the soldier who is basically raped by their significant other while deployed? Happens hundreds of times during each deployment. Funny how I see none of the so called soldier supporters crying foul. U have no actual clue as to what is occuring over there.
now now now teaseit... let's not go making wild claims about it. We all know there is only one REAL Academy. and it's about 4 hour south of West Point.
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Go Navy,
Beat Army
If our overall miltary was cut by about 40% (which these numbers would indicate) and we need to resort to NG and Reserves just to barely hold a place like Iraq then not only are we insufficient now, BUT WE WERE NEVER SUFFICIENT to invade a country bigger than Grenada. Are you saying that before the cuts, we still would have barely had the numbers to send 150,000 soldiers to Iraq? Something isn't right about this. Either we have significantly overrestimated our brawn for the last 40 years or we use what we have incredibly inneficiently.
There's no way our military is or was this small. If it is, we have no business invading anything. So we barely have 100,000+ trained soldiers in the fighting branches right now? Even before the cuts that would still only be 150,000.
What gives? Are we wasting other valid forces spread across the globe protecting us from the Germans, Japanese, and Soviets?
What is the actual true size of our military?
PS - China can build an army of 100 million if they wanted.
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