Wheres the Growth?

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The Economy: As they get ready to take control of the House and Senate, Democrats have a long legislative wish list. Notably lacking, however, are any meaningful proposals that would bolster economic growth.

So far, Democrats have mainly offered a litany of new mandates and regulations. Not one could even charitably be called pro-growth. Consider what they have in store for businesses:

Higher wages. Nancy Pelosi has pledged to make boosting the federal minimum wage by 40% one of the first legislative acts of 2007. At best this will raise wages for some workers, but it will do so at the expense of small businesses forced to pay the higher rate, and at the expense of the many minimum wage earners pushed into unemployment.

Given that most minimum wage workers get promoted to higher-paying jobs within a year, cutting off the first rung of the ladder by hiking the minimum isn't just bad economics, it's bad public policy.

New mandates. According to the Washington Post, Democrats plan to push a bill requiring that any company with more than 15 employees offer at least seven days of paid sick leave for full-time employees. Sounds great, but won't that further raise the cost of doing business, particularly for the thousands of small businesses trying to cope with the minimum wage hike?

Price controls. Another Democratic priority will be to enact anti-price-gouging laws, allegedly to prevent gas stations from taking advantage of a crisis to jack up pump prices. Never mind that the Federal Trade Commission studied the sharp price hikes after Hurricane Katrina and found nothing to suggest price gouging. And never mind that any such law would essentially amount to price controls on gasoline -- the very thing that caused the gasoline shortages in the 1970s.

Union rules. Also at the top of the Democrats' wish list is the "Employee Free Choice Act." This would require employers to recognize a union after a majority of workers sign cards authorizing union representation. Today, companies can choose whether to recognize such nonsecret ballots, and for good reason. Past "card check" elections saw examples of union threats, coercion, promised benefits and the like to get workers to sign the cards.

As liberal commentator Mickey Kaus put it, the law "could dramatically change the structure of the American economy for the worse, spreading unproductive, legalistic, Detroit-style union practices (by) subjecting nonunion workers to thuggish peer pressure."

Trade. As USA Today said recently, the November election "propelled a phalanx of trade skeptics onto Capitol Hill" who have little interest in expanding free trade. Meanwhile, the House Democrats' Web site talks about restricting trade agreements to those that "keep jobs here."

But given that the "fair trade" crowd considers any free trade deal a job killer, that will almost certainly mean scuttling new agreements -- such as pending deals with Peru and Colombia. That will appease labor unions but do nothing to help the economy.

To be sure, Democrats do eventually get around to talking about growth. But what they offer is little more than a grab bag of new federal spending, highly targeted tax breaks and greater support for "public-private" initiatives.

They'd pump money into new broadband subsidies, even though broadband penetration is skyrocketing. They'd also double funding for programs such as the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, a piddling $110 million program that the Congressional Budget Office concluded was of questionable value. And they'd pour more money into federal research programs that rarely produce market breakthroughs.

Paying lip service to the free market while choking it with costly new rules and regulations is no recipe for sustaining economic growth.

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Very capatalist approach to this. I would like to see a left-leaning capitalist's rebuttal, though.

Of the things (and albeit the angle) above, I don't disagree with the author on any of them. But as stated, I would like to at least see a rebuttal from someone else.
 

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Very poorly writen article. I would like to see some numbers to prove his claims. Maybe some figures on how the raising of min wage has helped or hurt economy in the past for starters.:shrug: .
 

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When last time we had 40% increase? --and if $7.25 is good why not make it $9.25 where they also have tax liability.

The money will come from one of 2 sources
lay off 2.3/10 employed to have same payroll or raise prices to compensate.

So you tell me-- considering most people receiving minmum wage are kids--do you think giving them 40% mandatory raise and expense of inflation and unemployment is wise?

or let me put it another way.
Stevie own xyz corp
He employs 10 people and nets himself 100K a year in profits.
You now have to increase your payroll $44,720 a year--what are you going to do.
 

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I just asked for facts and figures. If you raise the min wage people have more money to spend so Mr. Small Business owner makes more money.:shrug: I dunno. Just saying the article above did not site any facts or figures just opinions presented as facts with nothing to back it up.
 

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i think a major part of growth would start off by getting out of the mess the rightwing put us in called Iraq. What would that be two billion a week or is a month? Since the right wants to stay there to profit a select few i guess this means they are blocking growth.
This minimum wage stuff kinda bothers me. Why does this need to be such a high priority? These kids don't even vote. this is something that should be on the bottom of the list not the top. Yes it should be raised but it can wait. Number 1 should be to get us the hell out of Iraq where the rightwingers lied and put us. Number two should be to do something about these thieving oil companies who are doing the biggest harm anyone could do to an economy. Another thing the rightwing has a clamp on with these two oil scoundrels in office. 3 would be to fine and convict every scumbag that profited from this war illegally. Those three things alone if fixed, would send the economy flying for everyone and not just a select few.
 

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I can't disagree with you Sponge.

Stevie a safe bet would be that non of the programs i suggested will even be considered. I love how the right always looks for the lefts ideas. Where are thiers? Always asking Dems what they would do about Iraq like they were the ones who put us there. What is the republican growth idea's? Tax cuts for the wealthy while letting the debt soar? How about rotten trade deals to squash the American worker? Its their same plan every time they get in office. Of course when they leave their is always huge debt but somehow they think they ran a strong economy. They remind me of those real estate shows where they show you how to make money with other peoples money. what is their plan for Iraq? It seemed like their plan was to ask the democrats about their plan.
 

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Darn folks how can you complain about folks that have no raise in 10 years. It should be 50%. But the same guys that give them self 3 to 4 grand every year. And another 2/3 for expense's. Folks think that's just fine.
 

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I wonder if there has ever been one person that went 10 years without a raise?

Who would be so cold hearted to hope someone did not get a raise?

But the fact is this country wasn't built on mandatory pay scales--it was built on free enterprise.

I would say most of us couldn't name anyone making minimum wage.

The fact of minimum wage being increased doesn't bother me -its the fact of gov trying to mandate wages -healthcare ect on free enterprise--then whine that jobs are leaving U.S. because of production costs--go figure.:shrug:
 

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Have to agree can't be many left on minimum wage. Last number I saw was around 4.5 million. If so that is a small number compared to total work force. I guess you could then say should not be made such a big thing. And I agree not many have worked last 10 years with out getting some type of raise. I would guess there are those that would try to get away with it. And I would hope there workers would leave. But I don't see why new workers should not start out a little better then those of 10 years ago. It seems many companies have not raised this wage for 10 years. If they had then I guess this wage increase would not even be a need.
 

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I wonder if there has ever been one person that went 10 years without a raise?

Who would be so cold hearted to hope someone did not get a raise?

But the fact is this country wasn't built on mandatory pay scales--it was built on free enterprise.

I would say most of us couldn't name anyone making minimum wage.

The fact of minimum wage being increased doesn't bother me -its the fact of gov trying to mandate wages -healthcare ect on free enterprise--then whine that jobs are leaving U.S. because of production costs--go figure.:shrug:


I have been getting a pay cut for the last six years and i think it might be eight straight if this Clown you so proudly represent doesn't quit. My money in the Clinton years was worth far more than it is today after paying for high energy bills and high health care bills. I have to sit in my house with a coat now for the next two9 to three months just so i don't have to give anymore than i have to to these thieving assholes.
 

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Dogs, your attitude is very interesting. You are nothing but smiles and shunshine when it comes to the Iraq economy, yet are doom and gloom on the American economy because Democrats have more influence. ...I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you would rather live and work in a Democrat run US than Iraq despite this spin.


We've had the minimum wage since 1938. Capitalism and wealth have thrived more than ever in the US since that time. It's goal has always been to provide a liveable wage for ALL people willing to work. So what the hell is wrong with it? I would think a conservative would want to maintain something that's worked for the past 70 years.
 

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Sponge If you had 6 consecutive pay cuts you must be in insurance industry--Anthem BC BS in Ky went from % of premium to contract fee on group premiums 2 years ago--effectively cutting my compensation from them about 40% on group business--
I didn't blame it on GW nor would have I blamed it on Bill had it happened then.
I chalked it up to the "shit happens" factor.


Smurph

I said I'd like to see everyone have good wage--
but as I said why not make it $20 an hour--nonsense correct--the $20 an hour would have buying power of $5 in short order--so where do you put the # that is sustainable without effecting inflation ect--Do you trust Gov setting it or free enterprise implementing it via profits/solvency?

Regardless Dem or Reb I am abeliever in the gov that rules the least rules the best.

Maybe since Steve didn't answer--the company is now yours--and how would you solve your companies situation.

You own xyz corp
you employ 10 people and nets yourself 100K a year in profits.
You now have to increase your payroll $44,720 a year--what are you going to do?
 

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Sponge If you had 6 consecutive pay cuts you must be in insurance industry--Anthem BC BS in Ky went from % of premium to contract fee on group premiums 2 years ago--effectively cutting my compensation from them about 40% on group business--
I didn't blame it on GW nor would have I blamed it on Bill had it happened then.
I chalked it up to the "shit happens" factor.


Smurph

I said I'd like to see everyone have good wage--
but as I said why not make it $20 an hour--nonsense correct--the $20 an hour would have buying power of $5 in short order--so where do you put the # that is sustainable without effecting inflation ect--Do you trust Gov setting it or free enterprise implementing it via profits/solvency?

Regardless Dem or Reb I am abeliever in the gov that rules the least rules the best.

Maybe since Steve didn't answer--the company is now yours--and how would you solve your companies situation.

You own xyz corp
you employ 10 people and nets yourself 100K a year in profits.
You now have to increase your payroll $44,720 a year--what are you going to do?

lets just say my money was worth more 6 years ago. the best decision i ever made was selling my business as soon as this asshole got reelected. It was the main reason i sold it. If Kerry would have won i would have kept it. These gas prices would have never been this high. The guy i sold it to already has it up on the market after less than a year. It is tough to go out and eat when you have to pay 250 a gallon and pay heavy money just to heat your home. I couldn't just change my prices on a dime beacause a bunch of assholes wanted to goughed me.
 

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Smurph

I said I'd like to see everyone have good wage--
but as I said why not make it $20 an hour--nonsense correct--the $20 an hour would have buying power of $5 in short order--so where do you put the # that is sustainable without effecting inflation ect--Do you trust Gov setting it or free enterprise implementing it via profits/solvency?

Based on the way our economy worked pre and post-1938, I would have to say that I do trust a government standard of lowest liveable wage more than the people who run low wage businesses.

I agree that the minimum should be high enough to eliminate the Earned Income Credit. That's just logical. It's not fair that the rest of us supplement someone's salary because the employer doesn't pay them enough.
 

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Higher wages. Nancy Pelosi has pledged to make boosting the federal minimum wage by 40% one of the first legislative acts of 2007. At best this will raise wages for some workers, but it will do so at the expense of small businesses forced to pay the higher rate, and at the expense of the many minimum wage earners pushed into unemployment.

Currently, we do not have a need for minimum wage-type employees, but if we did this is my outlook on this proposal.

As a business owner, there are three people that will be paying for a 40 PERCENT increase for the lowest paid people across all companies.

1. Higher paid employees -- Labor cost must be maintained. So if I am FORCED to pay the lowest qualified people in the company, then I either have to a) Fire others; or b) Lower the wages of higher paid employees to keep labor costs in check.
2. Customers -- Running a business is not cheap or easy. If it were, you would be doing it instead of collecting a check and bitching about how little you make. So if I don't want to upset or lay off my current employees, then price hikes must occur. How does that sound for everyone?
3. The owner's pocket -- Once again, businesses are not cheap nor easy to run. I am whole-heartedly against an owner living fat off the business while employees struggle to live (for proof, see my tax returns ;)), but the challenge of running a business and the risk that is involved on the owner's part must be compensated or we will thwart American's desire to create new businesses. If you expect someone to go through the hassle of operating a business and make the same amount as someone who just works to collect a check, then we disagree on this entire subject. Don't gouge, but you have to be fairly compensated.

Should there be an increase to minimum wage? Probably. 10 years is a long time. But 40% is out-landish.

Minimum wage jobs are set up to be a starting point. Performance should dictate how high and quickly your wages are increased.
 
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Nice post, Dawgball. Agree.

BTW, I know some teenagers that make minimum wage (6.75 in California) but the majority of teens I know make slightly more. Do not know any adults making minimum wage.
 
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