Synopsis of Bush Administration

[Eddie Haskell]

I'm in one of my bad moods so I copied this rant off of a guy who I thought was kinda right on target. He echos my feelings. Here goes:

"So while Bush Flew the family of Bin Laden out of America after 9/11 and did not hold Saudi Arabia Accountable for the 15 of the 19 Hijackers that Attacked America. American Vice President Cheney jumps on a plane at the beckon call of the House of Saud and kneels before the Leader of Saudi Arabia promising that America won%u2019t leave Iraq. Meanwhile President Bush disbands the Secret Unit Hunting Bin Laden and put in Afghanistan Jails all the Bounty Hunters who have been hunting Bin Laden, but he feels free to pull out the threat of the Boogie Man Bin Laden when ever it serves his purpose in an attempt to scare the American People into giving up Civil Liberties. The Slam Dunk, Mushroom Cloud Intelligence Chief gets a medal and Promoted to Civilian while the No Actionable Intelligence, National Security Director gets promoted to Secretary of State and Insults the Countries of Iraq and Syria so much that she cannot negotiate with them to stop the War in Iraq that the Bush Administration started upon False pretenses. Now the war cost 3 American Soldiers lives a day and two billion dollars a week has been so mismanaged that Bush is having a hard time finding Army Military Yes men to handle his blunders to the point of he has to promote a Navy person to oversee the two land wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone in America think we should not impeach this Administration at a minimum or worse"

Bright guy. I think this is how history might look upon this administration.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

When he gets impeached-disbarred-convicted of multiple crimes -- has cabinet members (that lived) that steal documents and stuff down their pants-or defend saddam- has to rent out white house and sell pardons for cash--stuff cigars up interns ect ect ect--please page me Edward

--and sad part is-- while above apears to be opinionated satire --all are factual

 

[djv]

There is a difference between BJ and Cigars. What is happening now is costing many lives and money we don't even have to pay for it. But when we say to the very very rich who like there lives. And all there money. That they may have to pay more for all Bush's Blunders. They cry like new Born's.

 

[StevieD]

There is a difference between BJ and Cigars. What is happening now is costing many lives and money we don't even have to pay for it. But when we say to the very very rich who like there lives. And all there money. That they may have to pay more for all Bush's Blunders. They cry like new Born's.

They pay for it with the blood of the working class.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

When you say "above appears to be opinionated satire", are you referring to your comments or the comments of the writer who I quoted?

You know what I think is really comical. How Clinton (during the Republican Inquisition on the blow job) should have used the great Satan's tactic the other day. You know, when they asked the evil one about his lesbian daughter and he said thats out of bounds or some such dismissive response.

Nope. Instead, the Republicans (in another expression of conservative ideals) spent some 80 million dollars of taxpayers money to find out whose cum it was on Lewinskys dress. Yet all I heard going into the 06 elections was how the democrats were going to spend money. Thank God the Republicans have our best interests in mind.

I guess the juries still out (literally) on the great Satan's former chief of staff huh. Whats the future action on Scooter? Of course you don't think the big Dick had anything to do with leaking information do you? That warm fuzzy guy wouldn't do anything like that to old Joe or his bitch would he??? Would he be the first vice president indicted or would that be Agnew?

Bush doesn't need to rent out the White House. His war is funding his friends and family. Remember his long relationship with the family Saud. Come and listen to my story about a man named George....oil.....black gold.....Texas tea.....

Pardons are as certain to come in the future as you are to blame Clinton. Again most of his criminal friends have the appropriate friends in the right places to avoid indictment so consequently not that many pardons will be necessary. I mean really, it is amazing to most rational thinking people that Cheney has not met the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

Clinton was an unfaithful husband, slick politician, had a immature sexual appetite and had his share of issues. Did he lie. Sure.

I will take him any day, any time, any place any where over the corrupt, immoral, scum, cheating, lying, filth, that is in office now. Philandering I can deal with. The destruction of the country I cannot.

Eddie

 

[ImFeklhr]

It's really sad when the debate basically boils down to point and counterpoint of which political party is slightly more corrupt.

Their policies, ideas and waste are exactly the same, so specific scandals become the only way to tell them apart.

 

[Jabberwocky]

DTB,

I think Eddie addressed most points so I will defer to his post. But your assertion that Clinton was "convicted of multiple crimes" is moronic. As Eddie pointed out, you guys spent 10's of millions of dollars funding a witch hunt and caught him lying about a BJ. Then 10 years later call him a perjurer and say that he was "convicted of multiple crimes." Do you realize how idiotic that is? I guess not. As for presidential pardons, here is a list of GW Jr.'s as provided by Wikipedia.

dates indicate conviction dates.

Alan Dale Austin (1987 misapplication of mortgage funds)
Bruce Louis Bartos (1987 transportation of a machine gun in foreign commerce)
David Thomas Billmyer (1978 military conviction for making a false claim)
Carl E. Cantrell (1967 moonshining)
Charles Winston Carter (1964 conspiracy to steal government property)
Meredith Elizabeth Casares (1989 embezzlement of US Postal Service funds)
Randall Leece Deal Clayton (1960 and 1964 liquor laws)
Charles Russell Cooper (1959 bootlegging)
William Charles Davis (1983 income tax evasion)
William Henry Eagle (1972 moonshining)
Robert Carter Eversole (1984 theft)
Gerald Douglas Ficke (1992 money laundering)
Harper James Finucan (1980 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Anthony Americo Franchi (1983 tax evasion)
Kenneth Clifford Foner (1991 bank fraud)
Victoria Diane Frost (1994 conspiracy to possess)
William Grover Frye (1968 AWOL and 1973 sale of stolen car)
Joseph Daniel Gavin (1979 military insubordination, drunkenness, threats, and other offenses)
George Glenn (1956 accepting $50 bribe while in military)
Samuel Wattie Guerry (1984 food stamp fraud)
Charles E. Hamilton (1989 mail fraud)
Stanley Bernard Hamilton 1990 (money order fraud)
Brianna Lea Haney (1991 failure to report monetary instruments)
David Custer Heaston (1988 false statement)
Melodie Jean Hebert (1984 defrauding U.S. with false claims)
Bobby Frank Kay Sr. (1959 moonshining)
James Ernest Kinard, Jr. (1984 fraudulent firearms dealer records)
Richard Ardell Krueger (1979 mail fraud and 1980 and false statement on a loan application)
Devin Timothy Kruse (1979 AWOL from Coast Guard)
Margaret Ann Leggett (1981 false claims)
Raul Marin (1982 failure to appear in court)
Melvin L. McKee (1982 conspiracy to make false statements on a loan application)
Charles McKinley, (1950 moonshining)
Michael Mark McLaughlin (1983 mail fraud and conspiracy)
Michael Robert Moelter (1988 illegal gambling business)
Billie Curtis Moore (1977 income tax evasion)
Richard Arthur Morse (1963 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Kenneth Lynn Norris (1993 unlawful disposal of hazardous waste)
Joseph Mathew Novak (1994 possession and transfer of an illegal weapon)
Donald Lee Pendergrass (1964 armed bank robbery)
Fred Dale Pitzer (1976 transportation of falsely made securities)
Charles Blurford Power (1948 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Gerard Murphy Rayne (1972 car theft)
James Edward Reed (1975 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Cecil John Rhodes (1981 false statement on a loan application)
John Louis Ribando (1976 and 1978 marijuana dealing)
Ernest Rudnet (1992 conspiracy to file false tax returns)
Gary L. Saltzburg (1995 theft of government property)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
Russell Don Sell (1995 aiding and abetting a false statement on a loan application)
James Leon Adams Simpsonville (1965 selling firearms to out of state residents and falsifying firearms records)
Scott LaVerne Sparks (1989 theft of government property)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
David Lloyd St. Croix (1989 disposal of stolen explosives)
Johnson Heyward Tisdale (1994 food stamp fraud)
Edward Rodriguez Trevino, Jr. (1997 theft, convicted in military court)
Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Joseph William Warner (1995 arson on an Indian reservation)
Jimmy Lee Williams (1995 false statements on a loan application)
Tony Dale Ashworth Winnsboro (1989 unlawful transfer of a firearm)

 

[Pujo21]

And to think this guy was going to turn our AMERICAN PORTS over to THE ARABS ?

Now how sick is that thinking ?

What man on earth could stand by this type of thinking. The answer is a republican.


And all they can worry about is slick willie trying to pork monica.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Jabbers Have your legal expert Edward define if pergury or obsrtuction of justice is a crime--then tell me who is moronic--but then again according to your liberal logic I guess Libby isn't guilty of any crime either and should just be let go? Have another sip.

and on the $10,000,000 for the upteenth time--if your boy could simply cum clean there won't have been a trial--so again liberal logic those that had to procsecute are guilty not the one committing the crime innocent--have another sip.

and on GW pardons---you just keep digging yourself deeper--have one last sip on me--


'Mr. Bush has issued the fewest pardons of any president since World War II. President Bill Clinton issued 457 in eight years in office. Mr. Bush?s father issued 77 in four years. President Ronald Reagan issued 406 in eight years, and President Jimmy Carter issued 563 in four years."

Now you want to compare pardons--will warn you in advance can't get all on one page--note also if you see any 10 most wanted or family members of with cocaine distribution.
I will give you credit Jabbers you did bring facts into the pic--Edward will tell you best to stick to opinion--or you suffer the consequences

The list of the largest pardon of drug trafficers in history----

Name Home Town Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.
CLINTON, Roger
COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options
2. Illegal sale of silver options

COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute

2. Conspiracy to import cocaine

HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion

just the tip--continued next page

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

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MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968

2. Failure to appear

3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport

MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc Switzerland
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence

2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions

3. Unauthorized absence

SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife

any other facts you want to compare??

 

[djv]

Holly cow you guys got people and dates from about 4/5 presidents. Not sure the point. If anyone who lives in this country does not know pardons are part of all of them. Don't know where they been at. Each one in last 20 years have there share of high profile ones.

 

[The Sponge]

Wayne:

When you say "above appears to be opinionated satire", are you referring to your comments or the comments of the writer who I quoted?

You know what I think is really comical. How Clinton (during the Republican Inquisition on the blow job) should have used the great Satan's tactic the other day. You know, when they asked the evil one about his lesbian daughter and he said thats out of bounds or some such dismissive response.

Nope. Instead, the Republicans (in another expression of conservative ideals) spent some 80 million dollars of taxpayers money to find out whose cum it was on Lewinskys dress. Yet all I heard going into the 06 elections was how the democrats were going to spend money. Thank God the Republicans have our best interests in mind.

I guess the juries still out (literally) on the great Satan's former chief of staff huh. Whats the future action on Scooter? Of course you don't think the big Dick had anything to do with leaking information do you? That warm fuzzy guy wouldn't do anything like that to old Joe or his bitch would he??? Would he be the first vice president indicted or would that be Agnew?

Bush doesn't need to rent out the White House. His war is funding his friends and family. Remember his long relationship with the family Saud. Come and listen to my story about a man named George....oil.....black gold.....Texas tea.....

Pardons are as certain to come in the future as you are to blame Clinton. Again most of his criminal friends have the appropriate friends in the right places to avoid indictment so consequently not that many pardons will be necessary. I mean really, it is amazing to most rational thinking people that Cheney has not met the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

Clinton was an unfaithful husband, slick politician, had a immature sexual appetite and had his share of issues. Did he lie. Sure.

I will take him any day, any time, any place any where over the corrupt, immoral, scum, cheating, lying, filth, that is in office now. Philandering I can deal with. The destruction of the country I cannot.

Eddie

Dam Eddie i knew you had it in you. I started thinking you were getting sucked into the "we are there for the freedom of the Iraq people" charade. Welcome back. By the way when I saw DTB response to you i thought someone bumped up a thread from three years ago

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I wouldn't get to excited on anything your legal council implies Sponge.

It not so bad when liberals like to write it off as BJ they don't know any better but when you have supposedly legal council do so I can only assume they legal expertise is confined to "did they have insurance"
. For future record on matter lets refer to his peers(The Arkansas Supreme Court) on issue
--please refer to section 15 (high-lighted) this is what liberals keep referring to as synonyms for BJ

---and what say you Edward?

Text of petition to disbar Clinton
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS

NO. CIV 2000 - 5677

JAMES A. NEAL, AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ARKANSAS SUPREME COURT COMMITTEE ON PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT
PLAINTIFF
vs.
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON
DEFENDANT


COMPLAINT FOR DISBARMENT

Comes the Plaintiff, James A. Neal, as Executive Director of the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct, by and through undersigned counsel, and for his Complaint for Disbarment against the Defendant, William Jefferson Clinton, states and alleges that:
1. The Plaintiff, at the direction of the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct (the "Committee") and under the authority granted the Executive Director by the Procedures of the Arkansas Supreme Court Regulating Professional Conduct of Attorneys at Law, revised on January 15,1998 (the "Procedures"), initiates this disbarment action against Mr. Clinton.
2. Pursuant to Section 5K of the Procedures, this Court has subject matter jurisdiction over this action, and the Circuit Court of Pulaski County, Arkansas is the proper venue for the adjudication of this matter.
3. The Arkansas Supreme Court granted Mr. Clinton the privilege to practice law on September 7, 1973. Mr. Clinton's Arkansas Bar Identification Number is 73019. He is the 42nd President of the United States of America. At all times material to this case, Mr. Clinton resided in Washington, D.C., but remained subject to the Model Rules of Professional Conduct for the State of Arkansas. Mr. Clinton, pursuant to his request of June 30, 1990, placed his Arkansas license on inactive status for continuing legal education purposes.
4. On April 12,1999, Judge Susan Webber Wright, United States District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas, issued a 32 page Memorandum Opinion and Order (the "Order") in Jones v. Clinton, et al., Case No. LR-C-94-290, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit A and incorporated by reference as if fully set forth herein.
5. In the Order, Judge Wright held Mr. Clinton in contempt of her December 11, 1997 Discovery Orders (the "Discovery Orders"). The Order served as the basis of a judicial referral to the Committee, and serves as the basis for this Complaint for Disbarment.
6. In the Order, Judge Wright found, inter alia, the following:
(a) That Mr. Clinton gave false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process to Ms. Jones' attorneys during Mr. Clinton's January 17, 1998 deposition;
(b) That Mr. Clinton gave intentionally false deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone or ever engaged -in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky;
(c) That Mr. Clinton, in a televised Address to the Nation on August 17, 1998, acknowledged that he "misled people" with regard to the questions posed to him by Ms. Jones' attorneys.
(d) That Mr. Clinton's contumacious conduct in the Jones v. Clinton case, coming as it did from a member of the bar and chief law enforcement officer of this Nation, was without justification and undermined the integrity of the judicial system.
7. As a result of these findings, Judge Wright sanctioned Mr. Clinton, ordering him to pay Ms. Jones' attorneys any reasonable expenses, including attorneys' fees, caused by his willful failure to obey the Court's Discovery Orders, and to pay the sum of $1,202.00 in expenses incurred by the Court in traveling to Washington, D.C. to preside over Mr. Clinton's deposition.
8. In the Order, Judge Wright offered Mr. Clinton the opportunity to demonstrate why he was not in civil contempt and why sanctions should not be imposed, or, alternatively, why the Court was otherwise in error in the manner it was proceeding.
9. Additionally, Judge Wright stayed enforcement of the Order for thirty (30) days to give Mr. Clinton an opportunity to request a hearing or to file an appeal.
10. In the Order, Judge Wright stated that the Court would entertain any legitimate and reasonable requests from Mr. Clinton for extensions of time in which to address the matter.
11. Mr. Clinton neither requested a hearing, nor did he appeal the Order.
12. On or about September 28, 1998, Mr. Clinton paid $89,484.05 in attorneys' fees to satisfy the Order, along with the $1,202.00 in costs incurred by the Court.
13. The conduct of Mr. Clinton, found and adjudged by Judge Wright in the Order, was motivated by a desire to protect himself from the embarrassment of his own conduct.
14. The conduct of Mr. Clinton found and adjudged by Judge Wright in the Order, collectively and singularly, violated the Arkansas Model Rules of Professional Conduct 8.4(c),(d).
15 Mr. Clinton's conduct found and adjudged by Judge Wright in the Order, constitutes "Serious Misconduct" as defined by Section 7B(3) of the Procedures, which defines "serious misconduct" as conduct involving "dishonesty, deceit, fraud and misrepresentation by the lawyer."16. Mr. Clinton's conduct found and adjudged by Judge Wright in the Order, damages the legal profession and demonstrates a lack of overall fitness to hold a license to practice law.

WHEREFORE, FOR THE REASONS STATED HEREIN, the Plaintiff prays for a judgment of this Court specifically finding that William Jefferson Clinton, Arkansas Bar ID#73019, has conducted himself in a manner that violates the Model Rules of Professional Conduct as adopted by the Arkansas Supreme Court; that Mr. Clinton's conduct warrants disbarment by the Arkansas Supreme Court, which would result in an Order from the Arkansas Supreme Court removing the name of William Jefferson Clinton from the registry of licensed attorneys maintained by the Clerk of the Arkansas Supreme Court; and for Plaintiffs attorneys' fees and costs and all other relief to which it may be entitled.

Respectfully submitted,
JAMES A. NEAL, Executive Director of the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct, PLAINTIFF

BY:
Marie-Bernarde Miller, Esq. - #84107
GILL ELROD RAGON OWEN SKINNER & SHERMAN, P.A.
425 West Capitol Avenue, Suite 8801
Little Rock, Arkansas 72201

BY:
Lynn Williams, Esq. - #83183
Litigation Counsel
Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct
Justice Building, Room 2200
625 Marshall Street
Little Rock, Arkansas 72201

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Sponge:

Wayne and I have had our own personal little battle going on here for nearly 6 years now. I'm an attorney in Cincinnati and he is an insurance agent in Bowling Green, Kentucky. He has his own agency and I have my own practice. We are about the same age, live in red states, like golf (I hear he is a phenomenal player), sports, and I believe are both heterosexual. We also both have our feet on the planet earth.

Other than that we disagree on every other contemporary topic, issue, moral behavior, ethic, code of conduct, course and direction for the country, and whether or not Lindsay Lohans will be successful in her recovery. I will now explain to you (what you probably already know) that manner in which Wayne presents arguments.

1. As indicated in his post above, Wayne will always argue that his posts are based on "facts" while his opponents posts are based on "opinions". In support, he will generally post a link to some right wing website like Fox News or the National Review and suggest, no, state, that the website therefore PROVES that his point is correct.

Several weeks or months ago, someone took the time to bustWayne on this very point. I mean we all know that if you look hard enough on the internet (actually not that hard for the right wing propoganda) you can find anything you want. After Wayne got busted, he limped away from that thread like a dog with its tail between its legs, never to be heard from again on that issue.

2. Wayne, uses a trial lawyer tactic of continuing to repeat a theme to an audience over and over and over again, so eventually they will believe it. Look I don't know a lot about a lot of things but, I do know something about lawyers, malpractice lawsuits, insurance companies, etc.

It aint a secret to anyone that lawyers aren't high on anyone list of favorite professions. Ever since McDonalds coffee case (maybe before). Wayne and I have argued about that case, malpractice cases, lawyers, frivolous lawsuits, death penalty for the insane, etc. ad nauseum. I won't repeat them here, nor did I ever expect to change anyones mind about how they felt about those topics.

All I wanted to do was express a different viewpoint then the viewpoint that was put out there by corporate America, the insurance companies, McDonalds, the Republican party, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Christian right, and various coalition of these groups. Think about it. Look who has all the money and power in the country. Look who has the ability to get the message across. They do. Look what message they want to get across.

Now look who doesn't. So Wayne advocates lawyers, lawsuits, malpractice lawsuits, are evil, destroying the country, causing skyrocketing rates, blah, blah, blah, combines this with the overall dislike of lawyers and then we get tort reform, caps, loss of personal freedom etc. Alot of this is based on misinformation.

Wayne will say as a trial lawyer/ambulance chaser, I have a stake in this. I do. But I also do defense work. Not in the malpractice area but do rep some carriers in other ins. defense work. I know how they operate.

My fingers are getting tired. Believe what you want. Its just not black and white like George, Dick and Wayne want you to think. Heres another way to think of the facts in the McDonalds case:

There is a lot of hype about the McDonalds' scalding coffee case. No
one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is
important to understand some points that were not reported in most of
the stories about the case. McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was
scalding -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh
and muscle. Here's the whole story.

Stella Liebeck of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was in the passenger seat of
her grandson's car when she was severely burned by McDonalds' coffee in
February 1992. Liebeck, 79 at the time, ordered coffee that was served
in a styrofoam cup at the drivethrough window of a local McDonalds.

After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward and
stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her
coffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, often
charge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was in
motion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placed
the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from
the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled
into her lap.

The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next
to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full
thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body,
including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin
areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she
underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement
treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds
refused.

During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700
claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims
involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This
history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of
this hazard.

McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants
advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to
maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the
safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell
coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is
generally 135 to 140 degrees.

Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee.

Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin
burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full
thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony
showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent
of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus,
if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would
have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn.

McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or
home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research
showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while
driving.

McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its
customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were
unaware that they could suffer thirddegree burns from the coffee and
that a statement on the side of the cup was not a "warning" but a
"reminder" since the location of the writing would not warn customers of
the hazard.

The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount
was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at
fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in
punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds' coffee
sales.

Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the
local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit.

The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 --
or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called
McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful.

No one will ever know the final ending to this case.

The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never
been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public
case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting.
Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Several weeks or months ago, someone took the time to bustWayne on this very point. I mean we all know that if you look hard enough on the internet (actually not that hard for the right wing propoganda) you can find anything you want. After Wayne got busted, he limped away from that thread like a dog with its tail between its legs, never to be heard from again on that issue"
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Is this opinion again or can you provide the link to thread in your talking about.

been here longer than dirt--and when wrong-admit it--but have never limped away from anything in my life to my knowledge.

So either provide the facts or crawl back for a few days.

on who wins in class actions--even sponge can figure these out:142smilie

Of the growing litany of class action abuses, the recent ?offer of service? settlement with Southwestern Bell InLine subscribers is one of the most cockamamie. The supposed gain for consumers is that they get a $15 one-time, credit or three-month access to one of three optional Southwestern Bell services, at no cost. The lawyers pocket $4.5 million in fees.

recent class action suit was settled against Dell Computer and others regarding claims made about the sizes of their computer monitors. Class members received a $13 rebate toward the purchase of $250 in new computer equipment or the right to a $6 rebate next year ? enough to cover the cost of a mouse pad. The lawyers make do with $5.8 million in fees.

ect ect ect

the little guy right Edward--like your 2 america's cronies Just saw where your buddy Edwards just bought most expensive property in county in north carolina-
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3848
-thanks to the little guy and bilking medicare out of 1/2 mill.
What compassion

only people that will dance to that song are those who idea of the american dream is hitting lottery or winning lawsuit.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

You want the link were you and your BS was exposed? Okay. It's right here:

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266758

The above link is an example of how you use garbage to support your BS posts. It's ironic that the thread you started was about "junk science". You generally have "junk" authority in support of your positions.

Any other examples you want peaches, or are you going to fire back with something off topic, as expected.

Eddie

 

[The Sponge]

Wayne:

You want the link were you and your BS was exposed? Okay. It's right here:

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266758

The above link is an example of how you use garbage to support your BS posts. It's ironic that the thread you started was about "junk science". You generally have "junk" authority in support of your positions.

Any other examples you want peaches, or are you going to fire back with something off topic, as expected.

Eddie

Eddie what blew me away about your post is today i got coffee. i was heading for a haircut and i always bring the girl a cup of coffee. The sucker slid and fell all over my dash board and i started thinking about the mcdonalds case. I also was thinking that i never heard the whole story. Their coffee is redhot i had it a few times and i spilled it on myself once and thought those people did have a case. Me i chalk it up to my own stupidity for spilling it on myself. But man it did burn. I only spilled a little on me but I couldn't imagine what spilling that whole cup on myself would feel like.
Im willing to bet that if Wayne got into a little trouble he wouldn't represent himself. Then again maybe he would have a fool for a lawyer.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Edward---last statement I had on matter was

"--will be waiting to see which of these you prove false and why--and your sheep may assist you "

Didn't see one effort made--again.
---and I'm still waiting

Spongebob---I would hire attorney like anyone else--have used one on several occassions--and was very satisfied. Thank You

 

[The Sponge]

Edward---
Spongebob---I would hire attorney like anyone else--have used one on several occassions--and was very satisfied. Thank You

exactly just like you use liberal program or policies for your interest yet you throw it around like its a bad name just like you and all you neocons try to dirty up all lawyers. What is it .0001 percent of medical cost go to Mal practice suits but now you neocons want to cap it. Cap it for one reason only and that is to get the insurance industry another few bucks. Greed rears its ugly head again. I see a guy like Intense Operator giving Eddie a hard time and i also see him giving touts a hard time. For being a rightwinger shouldn't he learn how to take the blame for something he got sucked into instead of lumping a whole group together as one? Bottom line if we had no lawyers like the crooks you proudly represent want we all wouldn't make shit. We would get run right over.

 

[escarzamd]

I was just shocked by how many monshiners were left to rot in jail for so long!!!! Think of the long-term impact on NASCAR?!?! We left a Golden Era of Hair-on-Fire racing in prison and it took a brain-pan the caliber of W to set it straight. Lordy.

JK......just thought about lightening the mood around here:shrug: