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Football - Monday October 15, 2007
New York Giants - Spread ..... (- 3 1/2) (even)
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Monday Night Football - Falcons Vs New York Giants
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Football - Monday October 15, 2007
New York Giants - Spread ..... (- 3 1/2) (even)
Game
777/777
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ATLANTA An Atlanta Falcons offense that is already struggling will face the New York Giants' fierce pass rush on Monday night with a pair of new starting tackles.
The Falcons said Wednesday that starting right tackle Todd Weiner, who has missed only one game since signing with Atlanta as an unrestricted free agent in 2002, will be sidelined for 2-to-6 weeks after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.
The loss of Weiner comes in the wake of the season-ending knee injury to starting left tackle Wayne Gandy, and leaves the Falcons perilously thin at tackle. Gandy sustained a torn left anterior cruciate ligament in last Sunday's loss at Tennessee, and has been placed on injured reserve for the rest of the year.
Weiner, a solid 10th-year veteran who started all five games in 2007, has been experiencing problems with his right knee, and an MRI earlier this week indicated the need for surgery to address a cartilage problem.
That means the Falcons will host the Giants on Monday with a pair of players who have never started a regular-season game at tackle.:scared :scared
Rookie Renardo Foster, an undrafted college free agent who played for coach Bobby Petrino at Louisville, will get his first-ever NFL start. Foster has played in all five games this season as a backup and replaced Gandy on Sunday after his injury. The right tackle will be Tyson Clabo, a second-year veteran whose resume includes 10 starts, all of them at guard.
The two youngsters will be confronted by the Giants' pass rush tandem of Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora, and a New York defense that is tied for the league lead in sacks through five games, with 17.:SIB
Umenyiora, who has an NFL-best seven sacks, including six in one memorable game against the Philadelphia Eagles two weeks ago, will line up against the relatively untested Foster. Clabo will draw the assignment of blocking Strahan, who has just one sack this season, but has 133? for his career.
Atlanta has surrendered 18 sacks, the third most in the league
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I got news for you guys. Gandy and Weiner both sucked hind titty. And now your going to put two rooks in there to protect happy feet
Joey Harrington.:142smilie
The one thing that worries me is the Spagent factor that might come into play, but I doubt it.
Maybe the other owners feel sorry for what Blank has gone through and feel they have a need to throw a bone his way.
The Falcons running game is a total joke. Just as Mora did, Petrino continues to run Warrick Dunn at 32 yrs of age and 179 lbs up the middle where the 300 pounders knock him back and sit on him for a few minutes while they pile off. Dunn continues to get his lunch ate. He is also in complete denial of his old skills.
Its pathetic.
The QB controversy is there also. When Leftwhich came in at the last series at Tenn, on the first play a 300 lb lineman jumped up over the Falcons line and pulled Leftwhich down.
this will get ugly early and maybe even fugly.
I cant believe the line hasnt gone up yet.
I am on it.
KOD
The Falcons said Wednesday that starting right tackle Todd Weiner, who has missed only one game since signing with Atlanta as an unrestricted free agent in 2002, will be sidelined for 2-to-6 weeks after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.
The loss of Weiner comes in the wake of the season-ending knee injury to starting left tackle Wayne Gandy, and leaves the Falcons perilously thin at tackle. Gandy sustained a torn left anterior cruciate ligament in last Sunday's loss at Tennessee, and has been placed on injured reserve for the rest of the year.
Weiner, a solid 10th-year veteran who started all five games in 2007, has been experiencing problems with his right knee, and an MRI earlier this week indicated the need for surgery to address a cartilage problem.
That means the Falcons will host the Giants on Monday with a pair of players who have never started a regular-season game at tackle.:scared :scared
Rookie Renardo Foster, an undrafted college free agent who played for coach Bobby Petrino at Louisville, will get his first-ever NFL start. Foster has played in all five games this season as a backup and replaced Gandy on Sunday after his injury. The right tackle will be Tyson Clabo, a second-year veteran whose resume includes 10 starts, all of them at guard.
The two youngsters will be confronted by the Giants' pass rush tandem of Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora, and a New York defense that is tied for the league lead in sacks through five games, with 17.:SIB
Umenyiora, who has an NFL-best seven sacks, including six in one memorable game against the Philadelphia Eagles two weeks ago, will line up against the relatively untested Foster. Clabo will draw the assignment of blocking Strahan, who has just one sack this season, but has 133? for his career.
Atlanta has surrendered 18 sacks, the third most in the league
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I got news for you guys. Gandy and Weiner both sucked hind titty. And now your going to put two rooks in there to protect happy feet
Joey Harrington.:142smilie
The one thing that worries me is the Spagent factor that might come into play, but I doubt it.
Maybe the other owners feel sorry for what Blank has gone through and feel they have a need to throw a bone his way.
The Falcons running game is a total joke. Just as Mora did, Petrino continues to run Warrick Dunn at 32 yrs of age and 179 lbs up the middle where the 300 pounders knock him back and sit on him for a few minutes while they pile off. Dunn continues to get his lunch ate. He is also in complete denial of his old skills.
Its pathetic.
The QB controversy is there also. When Leftwhich came in at the last series at Tenn, on the first play a 300 lb lineman jumped up over the Falcons line and pulled Leftwhich down.
this will get ugly early and maybe even fugly.
I cant believe the line hasnt gone up yet.
I am on it.
KOD
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Leftwich hasn't played a full season since being the seventh overall selection in the 2003 draft, and missed 15 games the last two years.
His release ends a turbulent relationship with Del Rio. Leftwich openly questioned Del Rio's decisions, and Del Rio felt the quarterback lied to him several times about his health.
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There is no way that Leftwich has learned the system as yet. I am almost sure that during this game Joey will be pulled at some point and Lefty will enter the game.
When that happens, this play wins.
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I totally agree with this pick! Falcons are no match for the Giants, who have been on a roll the past few weeks. I just can't figure out why the line opened so low....if I never saw the line I would have guessed that it would be Giants -6. Something doesn't seem right here. There has to be some heavy betting on the Giants right now and I wouldn't be surprised if the line ended up at -6 by Monday. I just can't picture the Falcons hanging with the Giants.....
Like your pick here Scott. If the Falcons could not beat the Titans last week with all of the turnovers that they gave them in great field position, they are just not a good team. had less than 200 yards last week and biggest play was a faked punt:scared
that was an awesome play by Haynesworth:00hour
that was an awesome play by Haynesworth:00hour
What do you think of the Titans this weekend? Tenn +3 looks very tempting. You know what they say about if a line looks too good to be true, though...
Good luck with your bet Scott -
Have not looked at this game much, but it seems you have the right side
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kneifl
Have not looked at this game much, but it seems you have the right side
.kneifl
................................................................Have not looked at this game much, but it seems you have the right side
kneifl
Well well the first basher enters my thread.
JACK !
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I agree and when something does not seem right it should be cause to look closer. At least thats what I always do.
After much consideration I came to the conclusion that the final score of 27-17 is about right.
3 or 6 will not really matter much.
The Falcons receivers are still a mess. Joe Horn and Alge are crying that the seniors arent getting the ball enough. Eat some more ribs Alge.
I am a homer BUT, I love the Titans this week. TB has lost their top two RBs and our defense is playing with the best in the league. We had four turnovers last week and gave up less than 200 yards on defense and only 13 points. Plus we have Vince Young, he is just a flat out winner:00hour
I hope the Titans aren't underestimating TB's injured running backs the way some fans are! So far backup RB Earnest Graham is averaging 4.1 ypc and has 3 TDs this season (tied with Carnell Williams). I don't think TB's running game is going to miss a beat. I'd be more worried about Garcia and his 67% pass completions and 0 INTs thus far! I do, however, totally agree with you that Tennessee has one of the better defenses in the league!
GO TITANS!!!!!!!!!!!!:00hour :00hour :00hour
Bobby Petrino (still an Atlanta resident!) named Joey Harrington the starter for the big game against the New York Giants, saying Harrington ?gives us our best chance to succeed.?
This affords Harrington job security for somewhere between one possession and four quarters, depending on his success rate and/or how long Petrino wants to look bad (generally has an over/under of seven seconds).
And then? Any takers?
Byron Leftwich: ?I?m ready! I had 12 snaps this week! My arm feels great! Watch ? uh ? fore!!!?
Chris Redman: ?Can I interest you in a homeowner?s policy? Maybe life? We?re doing some great things with ??
Chris Chandler: ?Do you have an HMO? Last week I fell and ??
Bobby Hebert: ?Broke a nail??
Chris Chandler: ?Diane!?
Michael Vick: ?Are you still here??
Arthur Blank: ?Are you still here??
Vick: ?Hey, Mr. Owner man! Sorry, left my checkbook in my car.?
Blank: ?Actually, Michael, that would be my car.?
Harrington: ?Alge? Marco? Polo??
The Falcons are 9-19 (.321) all-time on Monday nights. Also, they just lost two offensive linemen. Also, there?s everything else.
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this is a local journalist in Atl
I think he called Alge Crumpler , Marco Polo, who is long dead and buried.:142smilie
:scared
This affords Harrington job security for somewhere between one possession and four quarters, depending on his success rate and/or how long Petrino wants to look bad (generally has an over/under of seven seconds).
And then? Any takers?
Byron Leftwich: ?I?m ready! I had 12 snaps this week! My arm feels great! Watch ? uh ? fore!!!?
Chris Redman: ?Can I interest you in a homeowner?s policy? Maybe life? We?re doing some great things with ??
Chris Chandler: ?Do you have an HMO? Last week I fell and ??
Bobby Hebert: ?Broke a nail??
Chris Chandler: ?Diane!?
Michael Vick: ?Are you still here??
Arthur Blank: ?Are you still here??
Vick: ?Hey, Mr. Owner man! Sorry, left my checkbook in my car.?
Blank: ?Actually, Michael, that would be my car.?
Harrington: ?Alge? Marco? Polo??
The Falcons are 9-19 (.321) all-time on Monday nights. Also, they just lost two offensive linemen. Also, there?s everything else.
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this is a local journalist in Atl
I think he called Alge Crumpler , Marco Polo, who is long dead and buried.:142smilie
:scared
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Scotty
Normally I reckon you are a major tool.......BUT........ you DO usually hit these ones right on the head!
I'm climbing aboard!! :mj06:
Normally I reckon you are a major tool.......BUT........ you DO usually hit these ones right on the head!
I'm climbing aboard!! :mj06:
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The line has stayed the same at 3 1/2 but the
cost of the same play I made is now at -115 instead of being even.
If I am reading this correctly , I am saying the book wants you to now have to pay more money for gettting the same points.
The book is concerned about money coming in on New York. But not enough to move the line. Just enough to raise the cost of the wager.
I see this as in my favor and a good sign of things to come this Monday Night Football.
KOD
One thing that I really like about this play
is that there is a very good chance that the Falcons offense will be in some serious pass rush chit that they will have few answers for during the course of this game.
There will be fumbles, balls batted down, penalties for holding, and general ass whippin.
Joey Harrington will be good for 2 interceptions until Byron comes in on a sore ankle he says he hurt in practise and had to miss the rest of practise. Alot of reason why he is gone from Jacksonville. They seen enough.
Byron is not a practise player, he seems to hate it. One of them players that live for Sundays games. Sorry you got to put the work in the NFL. Too easy to be left behind.
And just like Vick used to do, its so easy to just start limping and they have to protect a 7 million dollar investment. No one else wanted him. The Falcons could have got him for 2 mil a year and that would still be a reach.
The Falcons defense could also step up at home and shut out Eli Manning. I do not see this happening. If New York and Manning have just a regular type of game they should win.
D Hall and all his shenanigans is a team distraction. He was the one that used to tool around with Coach Mora , in his Maserati. There was a team meeting planned to see a movie somewhere. Everyone road on the team bus except for D Hall. He drove his Maserati there. And you will never guess who was riding shotgun. Yep, Coach Mora.
This kind of stuff can run deep in a teams pychy
That kind of action detracts from team unity and caring for one another.
And when you go further into the sidelines, there is a tremendous amount of rookieness in the Falcons Secondary. And a top draft pick Williams is playing on special teams and not at shut down Safety which is where he was supposed to win for the Falcons.
is that there is a very good chance that the Falcons offense will be in some serious pass rush chit that they will have few answers for during the course of this game.
There will be fumbles, balls batted down, penalties for holding, and general ass whippin.
Joey Harrington will be good for 2 interceptions until Byron comes in on a sore ankle he says he hurt in practise and had to miss the rest of practise. Alot of reason why he is gone from Jacksonville. They seen enough.
Byron is not a practise player, he seems to hate it. One of them players that live for Sundays games. Sorry you got to put the work in the NFL. Too easy to be left behind.
And just like Vick used to do, its so easy to just start limping and they have to protect a 7 million dollar investment. No one else wanted him. The Falcons could have got him for 2 mil a year and that would still be a reach.
The Falcons defense could also step up at home and shut out Eli Manning. I do not see this happening. If New York and Manning have just a regular type of game they should win.
D Hall and all his shenanigans is a team distraction. He was the one that used to tool around with Coach Mora , in his Maserati. There was a team meeting planned to see a movie somewhere. Everyone road on the team bus except for D Hall. He drove his Maserati there. And you will never guess who was riding shotgun. Yep, Coach Mora.
This kind of stuff can run deep in a teams pychy
That kind of action detracts from team unity and caring for one another.
And when you go further into the sidelines, there is a tremendous amount of rookieness in the Falcons Secondary. And a top draft pick Williams is playing on special teams and not at shut down Safety which is where he was supposed to win for the Falcons.
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If I was a tool , what kind of a tool would I be ?
Answer -
Hammertime
If you look long enough you can see the NY Giants logo in the Giants hammer.
I feel like I already know what is going to happen in this game.
Like I have already seen the future game tape is the way I like to think about it.
Alot of times , its a gut feeling that makes the money.
I smell money and it smells green !
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BY ARTHUR STAPLE |
October 11, 2007
The Giants have won three straight games and their defense is starting to become a force. But it's still not time for them to regard themselves as an elite team.
"We still feel like a lot of people are doubting us," Osi Umenyiora said, "so we're just hungry for more wins."
That's probably a good stance to take, since Monday night's visit to Atlanta to face the battered, maligned Falcons usually would be considered a dangerous game for a team that was starting to get a little haughty.
Coach Bobby Petrino took over in January for Jim Mora Jr. and figured to tweak the offense around Michael Vick.
By April, that plan was coming apart, as was Vick's life. By July, Vick was indicted on federal dogfighting charges and Petrino had no quarterback, with the Falcons having dealt capable backup Matt Schaub to Houston in March.:com:
It did not figure to be a banner year for the Falcons, who have trouble sustaining interest in their hometown in the best of times.
Even after getting past the Vick ugliness, Petrino's team is 1-4 and experiencing some infighting and major injuries.:scared
The biggest injury came Sunday in Nashville, to left tackle Wayne Gandy. His torn anterior cruciate ligament means undrafted rookie Renardo Foster, who played for Petrino at Louisville, will make his first start opposite Umenyiora.:142smilie :142smilie Right tackle Todd Weiner (knee surgery) is also out, meaning Michael Strahan will be going up against another untested player, converted guard Tyson Clabo.:00hour
As for the infighting, that came off Sunday's game against the Titans as well. Tight end Alge Crumpler spouted off on Petrino after the loss, in which recently signed Byron Leftwich replaced middling starter Joey Harrington.
"When we cross the 50, we're the worst offense in the National Football League," Crumpler told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "We're trying to trust [the coaches]. They keep telling us, 'Trust us, trust us.' We've been trying to trust them the whole time."
Crumpler, who has 18 catches, said Petrino's agenda is to get the ball in the hands of younger Falcons and phase out veterans such as himself. His remarks came two weeks after Pro Bowl cornerback DeAngelo Hall got into a shouting match with Petrino on the sideline after committing two personal fouls against the Panthers. Hall was fined $100,000.
"It certainly hasn't been smooth," Petrino said. "It's certainly been a challenge.":SIB
The biggest challenge on Monday will be Foster's. Everyone in the NFL is aware of what Umenyiora did to another inexperienced tackle, second-year Eagle Winston Justice, burning him for six sacks.
"I have watched a couple of things on [Foster] and he seems to be a pretty good football player, and the rest of the offensive line looks quick," Umenyiora said.
Petrino said Harrington will start, leading an offense that ranks 26th in yards per game (291.4) and 28th in points (13.8).
Crumpler's concerns have not been voiced so strongly by anyone else in the locker room, but they are shared.
"Everybody is frustrated, everyone on offense, I think all of the coaches, all of the fans," running back Warrick Dunn said.
"Alge said some things, but I just feel like he is a frustrated guy who just wants to win. And when you have guys like that, guys don't complain about that. We just want to figure out ways where we can get better and score points."
Monday
Giants at Atlanta
8:30 p.m.
TV: ESPN
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October 11, 2007
The Giants have won three straight games and their defense is starting to become a force. But it's still not time for them to regard themselves as an elite team.
"We still feel like a lot of people are doubting us," Osi Umenyiora said, "so we're just hungry for more wins."
That's probably a good stance to take, since Monday night's visit to Atlanta to face the battered, maligned Falcons usually would be considered a dangerous game for a team that was starting to get a little haughty.
Coach Bobby Petrino took over in January for Jim Mora Jr. and figured to tweak the offense around Michael Vick.
By April, that plan was coming apart, as was Vick's life. By July, Vick was indicted on federal dogfighting charges and Petrino had no quarterback, with the Falcons having dealt capable backup Matt Schaub to Houston in March.:com:
It did not figure to be a banner year for the Falcons, who have trouble sustaining interest in their hometown in the best of times.
Even after getting past the Vick ugliness, Petrino's team is 1-4 and experiencing some infighting and major injuries.:scared
The biggest injury came Sunday in Nashville, to left tackle Wayne Gandy. His torn anterior cruciate ligament means undrafted rookie Renardo Foster, who played for Petrino at Louisville, will make his first start opposite Umenyiora.:142smilie :142smilie Right tackle Todd Weiner (knee surgery) is also out, meaning Michael Strahan will be going up against another untested player, converted guard Tyson Clabo.:00hour
As for the infighting, that came off Sunday's game against the Titans as well. Tight end Alge Crumpler spouted off on Petrino after the loss, in which recently signed Byron Leftwich replaced middling starter Joey Harrington.
"When we cross the 50, we're the worst offense in the National Football League," Crumpler told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "We're trying to trust [the coaches]. They keep telling us, 'Trust us, trust us.' We've been trying to trust them the whole time."
Crumpler, who has 18 catches, said Petrino's agenda is to get the ball in the hands of younger Falcons and phase out veterans such as himself. His remarks came two weeks after Pro Bowl cornerback DeAngelo Hall got into a shouting match with Petrino on the sideline after committing two personal fouls against the Panthers. Hall was fined $100,000.
"It certainly hasn't been smooth," Petrino said. "It's certainly been a challenge.":SIB
The biggest challenge on Monday will be Foster's. Everyone in the NFL is aware of what Umenyiora did to another inexperienced tackle, second-year Eagle Winston Justice, burning him for six sacks.
"I have watched a couple of things on [Foster] and he seems to be a pretty good football player, and the rest of the offensive line looks quick," Umenyiora said.
Petrino said Harrington will start, leading an offense that ranks 26th in yards per game (291.4) and 28th in points (13.8).
Crumpler's concerns have not been voiced so strongly by anyone else in the locker room, but they are shared.
"Everybody is frustrated, everyone on offense, I think all of the coaches, all of the fans," running back Warrick Dunn said.
"Alge said some things, but I just feel like he is a frustrated guy who just wants to win. And when you have guys like that, guys don't complain about that. We just want to figure out ways where we can get better and score points."
Monday
Giants at Atlanta
8:30 p.m.
TV: ESPN
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? Week 1: Dallas 45, Giants 35
? Week 2: Packers 35, Giants 13
? Week 3: Giants 24, Redskins 17
? Week 4: Giants 16, Eagles 3
? Week 5: Giants 35, Jets 24
? Week 6: Mon, 10/15 at ATL, 8:30 p.m.
? Week 7: Sun, 10/21 vs. SF, 1 p.m.
? Week 8: Sun, 10/28* at MIA, 1 p.m.
? Week 9: Bye week
? Week 10: Sun, 11/11 vs. DAL, 4:15 p.m.
? Week 11: Sun, 11/18 at DET, 4:15 p.m.
? Week 12: Sun, 11/25 vs. MIN, 1 p.m.
? Week 13: Sun, 12/2 at CHI, 4:15 p.m.
? Week 14: Sun, 12/9 at PHI, 1 p.m.
? Week 15: Sun, 12/16 vs. WAS, 8:15 pm
? Week 16: Sun, 12/23 at BUF, 1 p.m.
? Week 17: Sat, 12/29 vs. NE, 8:15 p.m.
*Game in London, England.
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The game vs Dallas shows me that the New York Giants can compete with the better teams in the league, and that the Game coming up Monday night should be a game the Giants win.
I do not like the fact that Green Bay stomped them but I didnt see that game.
And I think that was all about Eli having a bad game. 13 points stinks . I hope it was because of Green Bay has a superior defense. Nothing like the Giants will see with the Falcons defense. And against the run..... Coleman may play but he is not going to be at full steam and could go down with a re-injury knowing him. The Falcons have alot of problems right now. I think I hear the cash window calling out a winning ticket.
There is not a look ahead game that I can see with San Fran up next and then Miami.
These are both winnable games for the Giants before they play Dallas back at home.
I like how the Giants played beating Phil Eagles.
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"I have watched a couple of things on [Foster] and he seems to be a pretty good football player, and the rest of the offensive line looks quick," Umenyiora said.
Joey - Hey Ovari , your going to be my little bitch come Monday. Just like old times. I will own you.
My offensive line is quick. Just you wait and see.
na na na boo boo.
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You build up the opposition then when game day comes you destroy them, making yourself look twice as good.
tankity tank tank
Quick may not be the truth here.
Falcons offensive line, why do you think Vick used to have to run so much , alotof it had to do with the quick offensive line of the Falcons.
The Falcons now will play Monday night with two new players starting and protecting Joey the pocket rocket. :SIB :nono: :142smilie :142smilie :00hour
And the best thing about it is that the Falcons are not going to be able to do one damn thing about a old fashioned being taken to the woodshed and beat.
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