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DR STRANGELOVE

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Example A

Colleen was born to a single mother, and while she had a somewhat stable household, she had little growing up. Her mother worked the graveyard shift for a local warehouse doing data entry and they were barely above the poverty line each year. Her mother didn't even finish high school and ended up dying right after Colleen finished high school.

Colleen had her problems in high school, but she graduated and finished community college. She had to work through senior year of high school and all through community college and could never muster the money or time to go back to school - she had to support herself. She landed a job at a local public school teaching music class - her passion. She ended up making $20/hour for the rest of her life, doing what she loved and expanded the local public school district's music program into one of the state's leading programs.

She is successful.


Example B

Amy came from an upper-middle class family. Her father was an architect and her mother was an after-school supervisor for the local public school district. Amy breezed through high school, receiving mediocre grades, and then went to a relatively obscure and undistinguished private college on her parent's dime. She spent most of her time partying and barely earned her B.A. in Communications with a 2.3 GPA. After college, she stayed at home for a bit and then had her mother help her land a position at the local public school, teaching geography. She makes about $20/hour, doesn't complain, and does that for the rest of her life. She doesn't really care about what she does, but likes it because it's easy.

She is not successful.
 

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hard for me to say any teacher is not successful. Example A has overcome a lot of hardship, for sure.
 

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I'd say that if they're both happy with where they are in life, they're both successful and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

P.S. Are either of them hot?
 

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I'd say that if they're both happy with where they are in life, they're both successful and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

P.S. Are either of them hot?

I think you hit it on top of the head...

I believe both of them are successful... but example B had more opportunities than example A

Lets swap the 2 of them around... and see where they would be now? Ex. A would be on welfare probably... and Ex. B would be making well over 100k a year?

Yes or no?
 

marine

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I think you hit it on top of the head...

I believe both of them are successful... but example B had more opportunities than example A

Lets swap the 2 of them around... and see where they would be now? Ex. A would be on welfare probably... and Ex. B would be making well over 100k a year?

Yes or no?

hard to say if B would be on welfare given her upbringing... if her whole life she was trying to overcome large obstacles in her path she would learn to adapt. But, she grew up in a way that she did not have to worry about that. If her upbringing were different.. who knows?

everybody has different priorities and terms on what success is. Tough to compare...

I guess, look at it from a sports perspective.

Guy A is raised in a soccer family and played soccer all his life.
Guy B is the same with baseball.

Swap them around right now and guy A will suck at baseball, guy B will suck at soccer.
Go back in time and switch them at birth and they will both be great in the sport they were brought up with.

But, as said earlier, the most important question here is

ARE THEY HOT?
 

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You know what I just thought of...

replace the word "succesful" with "determined" or "motivated" and that is a better way to phrase it.

They're both successful, Joe in Texas hasn't shot them yet for breaking into his neighbors house. Hence, they are successful.
 
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agree..amy seems to be an under-achiever...while colleen is an over-achiever...

quite correct AR--as far as literate term of success I would have to gage both even starting out-the degree of success that would follow is what each did with their $20 an hour income in their life time--one could save and invest while the other could be spendthrift and use proceeds to pay off interest on credit cards ect an not have squat.

--but one advantage A will always have on road to success is attitude and personal satisfaction of knowing she is living her dream--while B coming from family she did--will always (as AR mentioned) be aware that she did not live up to families expectations.
 
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