US deaths in Iraq hits 3,900

[Spytheweb]

Who will be the last one to die while Bush is still in office. Maybe a high senior who thinks he has a long life to live? Bush will turn his blood into oil, so this fascist government's friends can buy that 5th ocean front home, or send their kids to the best schools, not the military, provide the best healthcare. I wonder who died on Christmas, for Bush's sins?

This number will be close to 4,000 when Bush leaves office, you can bet his drunk kids won't be among them.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_deaths

 

[krc]

"You can bet his drunk kids won't be among them."
"Maybe one of the below .. could do it"

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
By Jim Brown
AgapePress
February 22, 2007

(AgapePress) -- Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the former INS), is a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and an advisor to Family Security Matters (FSM). He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration.

"The military actually called for the BORTAC team, ... the elite unit of the Border Patrol, to be detailed to Iraq to help to secure the Iraqi border," Cutler notes. "Now, if our military can understand that Iraq's security depends in measure on the ability to protect its border against insurgents and terrorists, then why isn't our country similarly protecting our own borders?" he asks.

"We are not five and a half years, nearly, after 9/11, and yet our borders remain open," the Center for Immigration Studies fellow observes. "We have National Guardsmen assigned on the border, but it turns out they are unarmed," he points out. "Their rules of engagement are very simple: if armed intruders head your way, run in the other direction."

This situation would "almost be comical if it wasn't so tragic," Cutler asserts. "If our borders are wide open, this means that drugs, criminals, and terrorists are entering our country just as easily as the dishwashers," he says.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program."

The federal government's Visa Waiver Program enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. According to the U.S. State Department website, the waiver program was established in 1986 with the objective of "eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel," stimulating America's tourism industry, and allowing the government to focus consular resources in other areas.

Cutler says the U.S. retains the Visa Waiver Program because the nation's travel, tourism, and hospitality industries want America's borders wide open. In other words, the former INS official contends, the nation's security is being compromised in the name of trade



krc

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

SPY Here is some news you probably are not privy too since most news sources have failed to mention it and I am certain the blogs you frequent haven't.

Also a little tidbit for you--all your pres hopefuls are on record as being against troop surge--

Iraq update - no news is good news
JONATHAN SAWMILLER
Opinion Writer
Issue date: 12/3/07 Section: Opinion

You and I know that the war goes on in Iraq, but apparently the mainstream media is beginning to forget. According to the Project for Excellence in Journalism, coverage of U.S. policy in Iraq does not rank among the top 10 news stories for the first time since the surge began in June.

The percentage of news stories devoted to events in Iraq has shrunk to three percent,barely half the 2007 average. Why the sudden lack of interest in the war? For the leftist-biased mainstream media, reporting no news from Iraq is preferable to reporting good news. That's what other sources are reporting about Iraq - progress and achievement.

U.S. troop casualties have plunged to the lowest level since February 2004, as rocket, mortar and suicide bomb attacks have all hit two-year lows. Iraqi civilian casualties are down two-thirds from their peak in December 2006. Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki says that terrorist acts in Baghdad are down 77 percent, and Sunni/Shiite conflict has almost disappeared from the city.

The U.S. has announced we will remove 3,000 troops, with more to follow in coming months, as the wind-down of the surge begins. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad's southern suburbs, told the Associated Press that he believes violence will continue to drop, because Iraqi citizens who are fed up with Al-Qaeda's brutal killings and strict Islamic rules have signed up in droves to fight the foreign terrorists.In his area of operations alone, 17,000 Iraqi "concerned local citizens" man checkpoints and guard infrastructure in their hometowns.

It's not just decreasing violence that signals progress in Iraq. Iraqi citizens are returning home to Iraq from other countries.

During the month of November, more Iraqis returned to Iraq than those who left the country, the first month that's happened since the war began in 2003. Syrian immigration sources say that 60,000 Iraqis have left Syria for Iraq since the beginning of October, and the Iraqi government says that some 43,000 have returned to a more peaceful post-surge Baghdad.

Consider the vast number of successful reconstruction projects. After decades of neglect under Saddam Hussein, Iraq's infrastructure was barely functioning. Today, many Iraqis live in far better conditions than under Saddam. This is what the American military, civilian contractors and Iraqi workers have been doing for the past four years - making a better Iraq for its people.

 

[The Judge]

Today, many Iraqis live in far better conditions than under Saddam. This is what the American military, civilian contractors and Iraqi workers have been doing for the past four years - making a better Iraq for its people.

Wayne, just because an opinion writer for a university newspaper says this doesn't make it so.

Here are some of the conclusions that were recently published in a study titled Deterioration of Women?s rights and Living Conditions Under Occupation, written by Iraqi scientist Dr. Souad N. Al-Azzawi:

The conclusions of this study are devastating for the US occupiers and confirm earlier studies, polls and surveys like the Lancet survey and ORB?s poll. And even worse: the survey concludes that the total number of deaths amongst the 4.5 million internally displaced or forced migrated people both inside and outside the country is estimated to be 868,500.

The occupation has destroyed the state and nation of Iraq and is continuing to annihilate the population.
The US war machine is committing genocide against the people of Iraq.

Some of the conclusions:

- The unemployment rate is 85% amongst women in the studied population.
- 47% of the women in the study hold some form of higher education degrees including Ph.D.s. When this number is added to high school graduates, the percentage rises to 70.6%.
- The biggest reasons of unemployment are a lack of security and sectarian violence in the country.
- About 36% of the families have no income or an income of less than $100/month. Women and children are made to beg or do menial labor or even work as prostitutes to feed their families.
- Out of the 150 studied families, 87 of them have family members who were killed. There is a high mortality rate of 193 per 1000, indicating the existence of genocide amongst the migrated or displaced population. The studied population is a bias group targeted by the occupation forces and sectarian militias. The total number of deaths amongst the 4.5 million internally displaced or forced migrated people both inside and outside the country is estimated to be 868,500.
- The highest percentage of killings occur due to sectarian militias, followed by occupation forces excessive use of violence (torture etc..).
- The 66 missing members of the studied families represent 12.69% of the members of the studied population, most of who left home for schools, colleges, work, etc. and never came back. Others were captured by guards and security forces and there is no information regarding their current whereabouts.
- About a third of the studied women in the group have developed some form of psychological or other stress related illness.
20% of the students in the studied families are failing school. Major causes include emotional damage as a result of having one or more family members killed and an inability to focus.
- 50% of the students in the studied population are school dropouts. Major causes of quitting include a lack of security and forced displacement or migration. Male student dropouts are higher in number than females.
- The mortality rate among the displaced population is 193 per 1000



Abstract:

For centuries, Iraqi women struggled for their human rights. It wasn't until the 1960's that some improvements in constitutional women's rights were implemented. During the seventies and eighties, women's rights improved significantly, providing better educational opportunities, political involvement, equal job opportunities, health care and development of laws and regulations to ensure a better life for Iraqi women and girls.

Deterioration of women's rights in Iraq began during the US-UN comprehensive economical sanctions imposed on Iraqi during the nineties. In 2003, the invasion of Iraq by the USA and its allies resulted in the descent of the rights of women just like other elements in Iraqi society, infrastructure and the general quality of life.

To define the extent of the USA occupation impact on women's rights and living conditions, a survey composed of 21 questions was distributed in two major cities:
? Inside Baghdad, Iraq in the Karada District, and
? Kudsiya area in Damascus, Syria where more than 200,000 Iraqi refugees live.
The 150 women who answered the survey were a part of 150 families or households composed of a total of 502 Iraqis.

Statistical analysis of the questions of the survey indicated dangerous trends in the security status that drove Iraqi women out of their jobs, where 85% of the studied women are unemployed (taking into consideration that the large majority of this percentage have a formal education). The study also indicated that 36% of the studied families lived with no income or a very low income of $100/month or less which has lead to women and children doing menial labor or begging. Also, it was found that 87 families have a victim of either occupation forces or sectarian violence. The mortality rate among this targeted displaced population is 193 per 1000. this high mortality rate is an indication of genocide existing amongst the migrated and displaced population.

Missing family members rate at 12.7, and it is also estimated that 20% of the students of the studied women's families are having difficulties and failing schools. A percentage of other students quit school altogether.

The occupation is totally responsible for the deterioration and destruction of women's lives and rights in Iraq. Iraqi women under occupation need the help of their sisters in international women's organizations abroad to help protect them and protect their rights. They also have the right to resist the occupier in every way available to reclaim their lost lives and ensure a better life for themselves and their families.

Read the whole survey at http://www.brusselstribunal.org/pdf/WomenUnderOccupation.pdf

 

[IntenseOperator]

"You can bet his drunk kids won't be among them."
"Maybe one of the below .. could do it"

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
By Jim Brown
AgapePress
February 22, 2007

(AgapePress) -- Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the former INS), is a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and an advisor to Family Security Matters (FSM). He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration.

"The military actually called for the BORTAC team, ... the elite unit of the Border Patrol, to be detailed to Iraq to help to secure the Iraqi border," Cutler notes. "Now, if our military can understand that Iraq's security depends in measure on the ability to protect its border against insurgents and terrorists, then why isn't our country similarly protecting our own borders?" he asks.

"We are not five and a half years, nearly, after 9/11, and yet our borders remain open," the Center for Immigration Studies fellow observes. "We have National Guardsmen assigned on the border, but it turns out they are unarmed," he points out. "Their rules of engagement are very simple: if armed intruders head your way, run in the other direction."

This situation would "almost be comical if it wasn't so tragic," Cutler asserts. "If our borders are wide open, this means that drugs, criminals, and terrorists are entering our country just as easily as the dishwashers," he says.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program."

The federal government's Visa Waiver Program enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. According to the U.S. State Department website, the waiver program was established in 1986 with the objective of "eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel," stimulating America's tourism industry, and allowing the government to focus consular resources in other areas.

Cutler says the U.S. retains the Visa Waiver Program because the nation's travel, tourism, and hospitality industries want America's borders wide open. In other words, the former INS official contends, the nation's security is being compromised in the name of trade



krc

interesting read

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I see Gregg--your source an iraqi- Dr. Souad N. Al-Azzawi has merit but no one else does?
Do you consider an article printed by BRussels Tribunal -The people vs total war incorporated in their logo -as fair and balanced

Lets skip the any reports where opinion is involved and look at the facts.

Have we already lost
Has the country evolved into a civil war
Has the surge been a huge success
Had we gave up and retreated where would iraq'is be.

--one of the successes of the surge was not so much the increase of troops but what it meant to Iraqi's

Saw interview with one of Sunni leaders that has joined the U.S. after surge and their turning against terrorist has in my view been biggest factor in surges success.

He was asked on interview why they waited for surge to start cooperating--his reply was know one knew who would remain in iraq--if they sided with U.S. and U.S. left--they would be at mercy of terrorists. When prompted why they thought we would abandom them--his reply was we can read the papers.

UBL had it it nailed on U.S. weak link

 

[Spytheweb]

SPY Here is some news you probably are not privy too since most news sources have failed to mention it and I am certain the blogs you frequent haven't.

Also a little tidbit for you--all your pres hopefuls are on record as being against troop surge--

Iraq update - no news is good news
JONATHAN SAWMILLER
Opinion Writer
Issue date: 12/3/07 Section: Opinion

You and I know that the war goes on in Iraq, but apparently the mainstream media is beginning to forget. According to the Project for Excellence in Journalism, coverage of U.S. policy in Iraq does not rank among the top 10 news stories for the first time since the surge began in June.

The percentage of news stories devoted to events in Iraq has shrunk to three percent,barely half the 2007 average. Why the sudden lack of interest in the war? For the leftist-biased mainstream media, reporting no news from Iraq is preferable to reporting good news. That's what other sources are reporting about Iraq - progress and achievement.

U.S. troop casualties have plunged to the lowest level since February 2004, as rocket, mortar and suicide bomb attacks have all hit two-year lows. Iraqi civilian casualties are down two-thirds from their peak in December 2006. Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki says that terrorist acts in Baghdad are down 77 percent, and Sunni/Shiite conflict has almost disappeared from the city.

The U.S. has announced we will remove 3,000 troops, with more to follow in coming months, as the wind-down of the surge begins. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad's southern suburbs, told the Associated Press that he believes violence will continue to drop, because Iraqi citizens who are fed up with Al-Qaeda's brutal killings and strict Islamic rules have signed up in droves to fight the foreign terrorists.In his area of operations alone, 17,000 Iraqi "concerned local citizens" man checkpoints and guard infrastructure in their hometowns.

It's not just decreasing violence that signals progress in Iraq. Iraqi citizens are returning home to Iraq from other countries.

During the month of November, more Iraqis returned to Iraq than those who left the country, the first month that's happened since the war began in 2003. Syrian immigration sources say that 60,000 Iraqis have left Syria for Iraq since the beginning of October, and the Iraqi government says that some 43,000 have returned to a more peaceful post-surge Baghdad.

Consider the vast number of successful reconstruction projects. After decades of neglect under Saddam Hussein, Iraq's infrastructure was barely functioning. Today, many Iraqis live in far better conditions than under Saddam. This is what the American military, civilian contractors and Iraqi workers have been doing for the past four years - making a better Iraq for its people.

Friday: 31 Iraqis Killed, 69 Wounded

Updated at 5:45 p.m. EST, Dec. 28, 2007

Although the weekly prayer day is usually quiet, this Friday was marked by a significant bombing in a Baghdad marketplace. A smaller bomb disturbed the peace in Kirkuk as well. Overall, 31 Iraqis were killed and 69 more were injured throughout Iraq. No Coalition deaths were reported, but a number of suspects were killed during security operations.

In Baghdad, a car bomb killed 14 people and wounded 64 at Tayaran Square in Bab al-Sharqi. In al-Mashtal, mortars killed one man and injured another.

A body bearing gunshot wounds was found yesterday in Mosul.

In Kirkuk, a roadside bomb targeting an Iraqi army patrol killed one civilian and wounded two Iraqi soldiers and a child. Gunmen kidnapped two people on a highway leading to Taza. In nearby Bashier village, gunmen shot at a group of people, killing one man. A car bomb was defused in Jamiaa. Also, three dumped bodies were recovered.

During an attack on al-Bu Aziz village, an al-Qaeda gunman was killed.

In al-Sadaa, gunmen attacked a home belonging to Awakening Council members. Two men were killed and the women were thrown out of the house. Two IEDs were later defused at the home.

A child was killed and another wounded in Zighaniya.

A sniper in al-Mafraq killed a policeman.

U.S. forces killed four gunmen during operation near Muqdadiyah and another suspect in Mahmudiya. Another gunman was killed near Salman Pak and 14 suspects were detained throughout northern and central Iraq. Also, four suspects, one a Saudi national, were detained in Samarra.

 

[Mahoney]

Had we gave up and retreated where would iraq'is be.

I'm sure the million or so dead Iraqis get down on their foreheads every night -- I mean, they would if they weren't dead -- and thank Allah they've got Kentucky illiterates looking out for their best interests.

 

[smurphy]

:0corn Mahoney seems to be a true independent. ...Yes, quite a condescending statement there, Dogs.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Don't know about getting down on their knees but sure was lot of em turned out and vote--and as far as deaths--if you can show me one country since the beginning of time that didn't incur deaths fighting for their freedoms I might change my mind--of course all this opinion is coming from those that never fought or made sacrifices --only exploiting the rights that those that did afford them.

---and I'm quite sure they are more thankful for we illiterates over there that are making sacrifices along with them--than the Einsteins and their retreat-surrender-we lost efforts that benefit the terrorist

 

[bryanz]

Don't know about getting down on their knees but sure was lot of em turned out and vote--and as far as deaths--if you can show me one country since the beginning of time that didn't incur deaths fighting for their freedoms I might change my mind--of course all this opinion is coming from those that never fought or made sacrifices --only exploiting the rights that those that did afford them.

---and I'm quite sure they are more thankful for we illiterates over there that are making sacrifices along with them--than the Einsteins and their retreat-surrender-we lost efforts that benefit the terrorist

That's not true. There are many who have fought & sacrificed that were against this war from the beginning. There are those in the ranks right now that don't agree with the execution of this war, from the top on down. They fight out of a sense of survival, honor, brotherhood and duty but know their leadership is flawed. I was told a few years ago by a friend that was active at the end of ww2, fought in Korea and was in Vietnam ... He would not fight in iraq, if he was a young man today.. He said they would have to put him in jail. There are patriots that have seen the immorality of war, the suffering and waste of war but no one listens. Ron Kovic had a strong opinion against the war in Iraq before it started, he served, he sacrificed, no one listed. As a Vet , I don't understand how you can support a policy and it's makers that turn their backs on those who have fought and sacrificed . There were other ways to accomplish what slim gains you have to dig for then embellish in Iraq. The cost has far exceeded any benefit we have gained from our leaderships myopic thinking. We preach/give lip service to democracy and freedom but our soap box is made out of cardboard. I think the least we could do is make sure all are voting machines count every vote as casted in our elections & stop giving working Americans money to dictators that we end up having to remove with American Blood. Our leadership has transferred billions of Americans money to Musharraf in Pakistan. Are we any safer because of it ? This President has made mistake after mistake. Bush may have to retreat in Iraq so that he can chase the next dictator in Pakistan with the WMD's.... Maybe we are in the wrong Country ? I have nothing but respect for those who serve and have served. I have a problem with those that think because they have served they have the right to expect blind patriotism from the rest of us. If you want to give up your right to question this government, go right ahead. I don't think it's right for you to assume that all that served and sacrificed agree with you. I'll bet it's save to say that there are many who have served and will serve that think it's our duty as patriots to question this administration. In the last election the American people sent a message by their votes, a clear mandate to get us out of Iraq. Neither party listened to the masses that were afforded that right by those that have served and sacrificed. The only exploitation going on is : Our governments, exploitation of our fighting forces and the American People that support them.

 

[The Judge]

I see Gregg--your source an iraqi- Dr. Souad N. Al-Azzawi has merit but no one else does?

First of all, the results of the report are based on a survey of the Iraqi people and as such, can not be categorized as mere opinions of Dr. Ai-Assawi. Furthermore, I would suggest that an Iraqi citizen with a PHD is significantly better qualified to address these questions than a college student in Boise, Idaho. Sawmiller just happens to be a ?Senator? for the Boise State University College Republicans which is well known for their extreme right leaning positions. Click on this LINK to see an example of a flier distributed by BSUCR for their event ?celebrating? Cesar Chavez Day which the University President felt compelled to apologize for in a campus wide message ("Think about this. . ." thread) calling for it?s removal.

Yeah, that's one hell of a "fair and balanced" article that you posted.

Where the hell do you find these blogs anyway? Is there some kind of online clearing house for neocons that requires a secret handshake to access?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Where did I find it?
On drudge report

Now same question --
How did you land on this site :scared
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/

 

[The Judge]

Where did I find it?
On drudge report

Now same question --
How did you land on this site :scared
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/

I had never visited that site until I followed your link. I found this information at UNObserver.com.

 

[roc612]

Dogs,
Saddam was backed by the US when he served our interests. When he was killing innocent Kurds with WMD's we said hardly a word.when he killed innocent Iranian's we didnt say a Fvcking thing.when he was killing an estimated 5 to 6 thousand innocent Iraq'is (per year on average)we looked the other way.
all of sudden Saddam is made out to be a larger threat than he could ever dream of being.Colin Powell (and GWB)sells a lie that Iraq is looking for Nuke proliferation materials.(they were light years away from this if at all.)We went to war based on ONE source (an Iraqi defector who fled to germany) and our governmnet never personally interviewd this defector.(Inexcusable and grounds for impeachmnet of both GWB and Dickie boy for gross negligence of duty)).
Saddam fell out of favor because we wanted the OIL-period .If we were truly an altruistic nation ,we would be in N korea freeing starvin N korean's as well as "liberating " poor iraqi's
Our US occupation(its no longer a liberation) has helped cause or can be directly attributed to almost 1 million INNOCENT Iraqi's losing their lives. it would ve taken Saddam close to 200 hundred years to kill the amount of innocent iraqi's we have some kind of hand in killing.Sucks to be one of those innocents folks or the families they left behind
its a good thing we arent hypocrits. When saddam was killing innocents and we liked him it was OK. I'll bet you werent calling your congressman about saddams actions then
I also get the majority of my opinions from unfiltered foreign news sources I guess i just dont trust Rush, sean, rupert Murdoch , you and anyone else who pisses in my sneaker and wants me to believe its raining.
By the way, you never answered my question in a related thread about which candidate has a clear defintion on what victory in IRAQ is to them
how long it will take to achieve victory, and what they believe it will cost us in resources(money) and more importantly in lives and injured soldiers.
Roc
PS : comparing the illegal alien situation and The Iraq war is a BS comparison-its not even worthy of commneting it on it..didnt your mother ever teach you two wrongs can NEVER make a right

 

[pt1gard]

go to taking aim and listen to the truth on iraq from my man ralph ... just listened to a 45 min show on how we go into mosques and murder people and how the brits dress up as arabs and murder police officers ... usa lies about their deaths, its about 3xs that # .... as far as how many have died in iraq, a british organization that tracks such things says weve killed closer to 600K and most of that number is civillain ... great war, false flag wtcs and pentagon, use the pnac charter and march in middle east and murder to what end, to destroy our economy ... to keep the terrorists from coming to usa, make me laff harder ... "we dont want the smoking gun to become a mushroom cloud" how friggin gullible is this nation? a few buzzwords and lemmings become sheep become the crux of the problem believing what comes out of the neocons lips ...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I had never visited that site until I followed your link. I found this information at UNObserver.com.

Thats cool Gregg--I certainly didn't think you'd frequent that org directly. Sometimes our news sources takes us to questionable links.

My news routine is same everyday-
my startup page is yahoo where I get headlines news from AP-Reuters-AFP,then go to bookmark of media links which consist of Drudge-Fox-Algazeera-and China Daily.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

ROC--per your
"Saddam fell out of favor because we wanted the OIL-period "

Did you just get that from UBL's recent talking points or the the liberal blogs?

Regardless of what you think about Iraq war-you might want to consider a few "facts"

Prior to 911 and invasion of Iraq and all during past admin--

-NK was still building nuke arsenal on our our dime
-Iran and Lybia developing nukes
-Saddam thumbing nose at not only @ U.S. and shooting at our planes on weekly basis.
-Tailban was running Afgan
-little to no support against terrorist from Pakistan-Yemen or Saudi's
--Ubl jet setting around the world--recruiting and training openly-

Unless you prefer things as they were prior-
you and other liberals might consider getting on your knees and giving GW your best Monica impersonation.

 

[djv]

Iraq was a mistake?? We find out when we leave.
Worry about Afghanistan?? We better the trouble continues. We never finished job. NOT our troops fault. There leaders Don't seem to learn. And of course the oil is ware?? In Iraq. Thank God are troops death rate is down.

 

[bryanz]

ROC--per your
"Saddam fell out of favor because we wanted the OIL-period "

who is we ???? if we is the american people, why hasn't it been secured for us ??? I thought bush & dick said the oil was going to pay for most of this war ????? This war has nothing to do with oil for the american people...... this war has nothing to do with the national security of the american people......billions spent, thousands mamed and mentally mutilated and (they) don't even control the oil for the american people..... why doesn't bush hold his and his dads friends from sadi arabia and kawits feet to the fire and return the favor to the american people with the flow of oil .... all the help and sacrifice the american people have given them; you would think that we could do better than the $3.27 I paid the other day @ the pump ! saddam had all the oil revenue he could handle.... the billion dollar question is : who is getting saddams cut now ????? BILLIONS JUST FLOATING IN SPACE AND NOBODY KNOWS !! You seem to be good at pulling up stories, look into where all the iraq oil revenue has gone...... there are many stories on the net about the billions that the bush administration can't account for since the invasion..... with the price of oil, bush and dick could be greeted as liberators if they passed some of that cash out in the streets of iraq....... instead of giving americans hard earned money to dictators, give the people of iraq their oil money back.... it may help !!!