US deaths in Iraq hits 3,900

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Friday: 31 Iraqis Killed, 69 Wounded

Updated at 5:45 p.m. EST, Dec. 28, 2007

Although the weekly prayer day is usually quiet, this Friday was marked by a significant bombing in a Baghdad marketplace. A smaller bomb disturbed the peace in Kirkuk as well. Overall, 31 Iraqis were killed and 69 more were injured throughout Iraq. No Coalition deaths were reported, but a number of suspects were killed during security operations.

In Baghdad, a car bomb killed 14 people and wounded 64 at Tayaran Square in Bab al-Sharqi. In al-Mashtal, mortars killed one man and injured another.

A body bearing gunshot wounds was found yesterday in Mosul.

In Kirkuk, a roadside bomb targeting an Iraqi army patrol killed one civilian and wounded two Iraqi soldiers and a child. Gunmen kidnapped two people on a highway leading to Taza. In nearby Bashier village, gunmen shot at a group of people, killing one man. A car bomb was defused in Jamiaa. Also, three dumped bodies were recovered.

During an attack on al-Bu Aziz village, an al-Qaeda gunman was killed.

In al-Sadaa, gunmen attacked a home belonging to Awakening Council members. Two men were killed and the women were thrown out of the house. Two IEDs were later defused at the home.

A child was killed and another wounded in Zighaniya.

A sniper in al-Mafraq killed a policeman.

U.S. forces killed four gunmen during operation near Muqdadiyah and another suspect in Mahmudiya. Another gunman was killed near Salman Pak and 14 suspects were detained throughout northern and central Iraq. Also, four suspects, one a Saudi national, were detained in Samarra.

these jihadists kill thousands of innocents, including children,all over the world and this bozoid points his finger in the direction of those who oppose the mass-murderers. ...

"mentally incompetent" and "utterly depraved" doesn't remotely begin to function as a proper description of this yo-yo(i apologize to all "yo-yo`s" for the use of the word "yo-yo" as a label for this load.)...



i wonder how different the news was in say d.c.,camden or baltimore city?....the methods and means vary,but the violence is probably not dissimilar....


thank god things have picked up a bit,eh my little carbuncle?.....we all missed spy since the surge started....and it is working,btw.....your al qaeda buddies are on the run.......the people of iraq are tiring of your brothers` brutality.......

yes,it`s actually working according reliable sources on the right AND the left....

glad i could shine the pen light of truth down your little rat hole......(what's the standard unit for measurement of spittle?) ...

here`s some light reading spy...you`ll identify with this lowlife lawyer......

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/12/anti-military-l.html
 
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GW and DTB and others from the right,
I have asked this question numerous times and none of you that are hard right wing neocons have answered .
please define victory in Iraq.

also,
is there a candidate of any party for president who has defined the answer to the question above in anything other than abstract terms.

Roc
 

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I've answered same question numerous times.

Victory would be having Iraq to handle security chores on their own--with us having bases there in support like Kuwaiit --indefinately hopefully.
Considering we have 116,000 troops in Europe doing very little-taking 1/4 of them to shore up presence in middle east would be much more productive.

Now a question for you--with things going much better there now--why do the liberal blogs/media and those with the Spy mentality try to dwell on every neg aspect and seldom acknowledge anything positive?

Case in point: if we have no military deaths in Iraq today (the last day of Dec) the 16 deaths this month will represent the 2nd lowest death total of any month since war began--and what headline is Spy dwelling on--while all the liberal media had front page headlines on worst month--we'll see how many have front page coverage tomorrow on this historic event--and to show just how blatantly negative liberals are on any good news from war--maybe I'll find headline that does bring up fact tomorrow and post it at Moveon or Daily Kos and display the replys--of course thats not really necessary as we all know the results--;)
 

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DTB,
Ok. You answered.
On to what none of us ever talk about - ROI(return on investment)If your definition of Victory takes ten more years to achieve along with $$$$$ billions spent to achieve it AND additional US casualties and injuries -then in your opinion does the end justify the means( we wont even consider the innocent Iraqi's who become casualties of this "conflict"-in this discussion)
Part B- are we (the US) safer today as result of this conflict
2.)You also did not answer if any candidate from any party has an exit strategy .One with a timetable and /or cost assessment included would be even nicer.(i havent heard one yet-have you?)
 

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i have absolutely no issues with the guys on this forum that have legit disagreements and gripes with the iraq war...how it was waged....whatever....

you want to pull out now that things appear to be getting better?...fine...i just hope that your position isn`t based on political advantage to one party or ideology...i hope you aren`t that shallow..and that you look at the issue as it pertains to our future national interests and security....


what i take issue with is guys like stw...jihadis...jihadi sympathizers....whatever you want to call them....running coordinated propaganda smear campaigns against MY country......on internet forums all over the net.....i think i remember posting an alqaeda propaganda manual captured in iraq and it fits s.t.w.`s modus operandi to a tee...

these s.o.b.`s are very savvy....they know how to manipulate the system(legal/political/media)...and they continually post death counts and spew anti-american propaganda to influence and coerce the weak-minded(like those in the ridiculous 9/11 thread).....

yes,i`m hard on our enemies.. ...i never address the lefties that disagree in such a harsh manner..yeah,i throw "moonbat" around and get a little snarky...but,its all in fun... disagreement`s a good thing...

but,i`ve seen this guy on other sites...i`m surprised he isn`t smart enough to use different monikers....

i guess,i just want it known, to start the new year, that i respect the disagreement and those that disagree.......

but,i am aware of the "spy the webs"...and i`m gonna shine the light of day on these cockroaches whenever i see them ...please don`t project my rabid respone to his propaganda onto yourselves....

thats not my intent....although i wish more could see through this tapeworm....
 

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This is for you, weasel. I want you to contrast George Washington's eminent good sense with your own foolish toolhood. I trust even you dare not call the author of these words an anti-American terrorist appeaser.

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? . . . . .

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave.

It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests.

The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest
[such as with Israel] in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification [leading us to waste $2 trillion reordering the middle east to Israel's benefit].

It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others
[ie, Israel murders American citizens and the president/Congress say nothing about it] which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. [The rest of the world and especially the Arabs now hates us, whereas before they generally admired us] And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) [The entire cast of Fox News - shills for Israel to a man], facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country [Congress, Fox News, the president, much of the FBI], without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot.
[pt1guard, for instance] How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public council? [Could be Fox's mission statement] Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake
[For example, it should pay alarmed attention to the overwhelming evidence pointing to Israel's Mossad's hand behind 9/11], since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation [Israel] and excessive dislike of another [the Muslim world] cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. [Our media are too afraid to report the truth about "the lobby's" domination of our political class."] Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes [the Zionist fanboys collectively known as Fox News] usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. [Driving ourselves bankrupt to prosecute endless foreign wars while our own country is invaded by Mexico.]

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe
[or Israel] has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. [Precisely the case with Israel.] Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
 
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we`re throwing the "z" word around again?.....lol

btw,when did washington write this?...do you really think he was talking about nations or ideologies that want to impose "shari`a only" not only on their own citizens,but anyone that doesn`t believe?....

these people that ascribe to the destruction of a fellow democracy,not to mention the death of america....

you think he`d be o.k. with these madmen that believe "bringing forth the 12th imam is a prophecy worth fulfilling regardless of the consequences" having their finger on the trigger of a nuclear weapon?.....

mahoney/"they didn`t have weapons of mass destruction back in washington`s day?"

ding..ding..ding.....give the man a teddy bear...

you have now realized what the handful of ron paul robots fail to grasp...and what makes their larouchian isolationist policy irrelevent in the 21st century of terrorism and religious zealotry.......

ron paul for president....pat buchanan for vice president.....lyndon larouche for vice-vice president.....hey, i can out-moon-bat the moonbats...........

i have to admit,though..those nazi armbands some of his supporters wear are to die for...they go with everything...

btw..remember to check under your bed....there might be a few joos hiding under there...
 
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Weasel, if you lived in Nazi Germany, you'd be the biggest joo-hater on the block. You're a natural-born truckler before authority in any form, and the very opposite of the freemen Washington led into battle.
 

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Weasel, if you lived in Nazi Germany, you'd be the biggest joo-hater on the block. You're a natural-born truckler before authority in any form, and the very opposite of the freemen Washington led into battle.

i neither love nor hate jews......but,i do understand when a society stands on common ground with my belief system.....

you "libertarians" can continue to mind f-ck each other with half truths and isolationist/pacifistic/ idealistic crap......unfortunately,we live in the real world...you believe in nihilism...no restraints on behavior....no poltical or moral reality....

i still don`t get paul as a republican....he`s a whack-job extremist libertarian...not a republican or even a conservatives...a kind of cross between a hippy and an anarchist.....

a good read for you would be the book "true believers".......it`s a must read for those trying to understand the paulsters...... they have always been a part of society and they always will.....an excerpt..

"therefore, mass movements appeal to the frustrated; people who are dissatisfied with their current state, but are capable of a strong belief in the future and to people who want to escape a flawed self by creating an imaginary self and joining a compact collective whole to escape themselves."

sound familiar?...

i ask you this.....you say this is the guy that will restore fiscal responsiblity?....well,to me,nothing says "fiscal responsibility" like spending the money your supporters sent in on a "blimp".....

lol.

think about it...:D
 

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i neither love nor hate jews......but,i do understand when a society stands on common ground with my belief system.....

you "libertarians" can continue to mind f-ck each other with half truths and isolationist/pacifistic/ idealistic crap......unfortunately,we live in the real world...you believe in nihilism...no restraints on behavior....no poltical or moral reality....

You just can't deal with an argument, can you? You have to try to pigeonhole the other guy as a liberal/Democrat/libertarian/whatever.

You're not realistic because you support vicious, million-killing wars premised on Big Lies, pathetic is more like it.

i still don`t get paul as a republican....he`s a whack-job extremist libertarian...not a republican or even a conservatives...a kind of cross between a hippy and an anarchist.....

Tiny mind struggles to fit reality to preconceptions. Let's see, Paul served honorably (unlike Bush, Cheney, any talk show host you care to name), he had an honorable private career as a baby-delivering doctor; he has served honorably in Congress for a couple decades; he's not privately queer or cheating on his wife. He doesn't say one thing and vote another. No, in no way is he qualified to be a Republican, you're right about that. Hippy? Anarchist? You really don't get it. Not being a warmonger does not make someone a hippy or anarchist - it makes him an old-fashioned conservative. See the Washington quotation.

a good read for you would be the book "true believers".......it`s a must read for those trying to understand the paulsters...... they have always been a part of society and they always will.....an excerpt..

"therefore, mass movements appeal to the frustrated; people who are dissatisfied with their current state, but are capable of a strong belief in the future and to people who want to escape a flawed self by creating an imaginary self and joining a compact collective whole to escape themselves."

sound familiar?...

I read that book twenty years ago, it's The True Believer, not True Believers. The type Hoffer referred to is found mainly among commies and leftists, not among Ron Paul types who want to roll back government precisely because they do have faith in themselves and don't need governments making all their decisions for them, like, uh, you seem to.

i ask you this.....you say this is the guy that will restore fiscal responsiblity?

No, I think we should keep on voting for the Bush party and throw away another couple trillion dollars on war to make the Middle East safe for Israel. That's the way to fiscal responsibility. I do agree with you on the liberals and the entitlements, though. That's no way to go either.

But yes, Ron Paul is the way to fiscal responsibility. He'd end the war, saving at a minimum hundreds of billions, and he'd get rid of as many government departments as he could, and cut taxes too. I like everything about that prescription.

....well,to me,nothing says "fiscal responsibility" like spending the money your supporters sent in on a "blimp".....

The money spent on the blimp was raised privately, so that's his business. When the controlled media do nothing but mock and ignore your candidacy, you seek other ways to get your message across.
 

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DTB,
Ok. You answered.
On to what none of us ever talk about - ROI(return on investment)If your definition of Victory takes ten more years to achieve along with $$$$$ billions spent to achieve it AND additional US casualties and injuries -then in your opinion does the end justify the means( we wont even consider the innocent Iraqi's who become casualties of this "conflict"-in this discussion)
Part B- are we (the US) safer today as result of this conflict
2.)You also did not answer if any candidate from any party has an exit strategy .One with a timetable and /or cost assessment included would be even nicer.(i havent heard one yet-have you?)

ON ROI---I am quite satisfied that terrorist -AQ in prticular-are seeing they were wrong on our persistancy. They were forced to show their colors of targeting not only western entities but the world most importantly Muslim saw anyone was fair game that did not see it their way. Their extremes were exposed. As even now Muslims turn against them--their leaders are giving bi-monthly-videos in attempt to turn the tide.

What is it worth to defeat these fantics? depends on how you gauge the risks if we don't.

On did Iraq make us any safer--
I think any location we fight terrorist makes us safer. I don't think the kumbaya approach is worth a plug nickel in fighting terrorist-as terrorist element is domiciled in many countries and those countries in general are not responsible for the actions of few.

If as the intellgence agency said (which I am certainly not convinced) Iran gave up the nuke ambition in 03 same year as Lybia--how can you not come to conclusion that after years of talks and no change that after action was taken and they saw the consqeunces --they immediately fell in line.With that being said if you don't feel safer with iran/Lybia without nukes there is little use of me going any further.
--and we found out one thing for sure--doing nothing was inequivically NOT the solutuion-and IMO retreat-surrender ect would certainly not be a deterrant to either.
 

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DTB,
still no answer on what candidate running for pres has an Iraq exit strategy of any kind.Its ok- I knew the answer before I asked the question. So the media is Liberal and yet none of the media has asked this question at any debate yet.
Moving right along...So we battled the terrorists in Iraq.
Love how you take the Rush soundbites and run with them.
Quote from Rush; "AQ is on the run in Iraq" the only reason terrorists(mostly AQ) are in Iraq is because when we took out Saddam, we un stabilized the region and so the parasite terrorists showed up(they werent there when Saddam was there because he was killing any and all threats himself)So AQ showed up(and the fanatic muslim cleric's crawled out from under a rock and came out of exile in Iran ) for two reasons.
No 1 because we were there and
no 2 because we unstabilized the region

If you think the US is any safer today because the violence factor has leveled off to (16 deaths and this is acceptable to you) good for you. If you think these folks arent sick of our butts in there country your nuts
since were so safe now we should be able to go thru airports with our shoes on again anytime soon.
Not!!!
 
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Dogs, I can't take it anymore. It's LIBYA not Lybia. You miss-spell it the same way every time. Say it with me...

L - I - B - Y - A
 

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Smurph People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones--appears you forgot to spell check your short one liner upstairs--so let let me remind you--it's I before E except after C or as sounded as A as in neighbor and weigh.
However I must admit you have found area that you can be factually correct-I congratulate you. :)

roc612 On your exit strategy - sorry I missed that and simple answer--anyone/any party who sets a timetable on withdrawel would not get my vote. They can set parameters for withdrawel but IMO only a fool or political panderer would withraw on a defined timeframe with disregard for conditions there.

If you were a coach would you pull out 1st team on timetable or when score dictates?
 
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DTB,
I Love hardline neocons like yourself.Motto for you guys is like a porn star directors motto to its cast before a film shoot
"were going to leave it in there until we get it right".
You guys are always trying to measure "up" .its not about the guy or country with the biggest dick-you neocons who only get aroused when there is a war going on are a crack up.
So we should stay in IRAQ until the Iraqi's army brings itself up to speed and all the extremists are gone and the secular violence is gone and the shiites, sunni's and kurds are holding hands and singing Kumbaya.And pigs will fly as well.Well looks like we will be there awhile if your type candidate gets in .(give me Ron Paul and lets start leaving now.Lets undo the apron strings and tell the Iraqi army its under control -that violence is down and you Iraqis can clean it up.) you guys would lose your hard-on so thats not going to happen
I hope that the region stabilizes when we leave(if we ever leave) ,but history of the last 5000 yrs in the Middle east says otherwise.Its going to leave us with an empty feeling if a couple years after we leave that region it returns to what it was rather than remains a "democratic style government".
maybe it will be democratic the way saudi arabia is.Oops that was it like under the guy we just removed for them now wasnt it. This foreign policy wasnt well thought out(to say the least) and you think Biden is unqualified. So GWB,Dick , condie.rummie and karl rover were/are qualified in regards to foreign policy?Not a chance -this war was and is a mess any way you slice it.No matter the result.
 

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"So GWB,Dick , condie.rummie and karl rover were/are qualified in regards to foreign policy?"

Thats one of the things that always makes me laugh. All of the hard line righties line up behind the biggest bunch of draft dodging chicken hawk pussies ever and tout how "strong" they are against "terror." It is such an idiotic farce. War profiteering remains a mystery to them.
 

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"What is it worth to defeat these fantics?"

Sweet. The fanatics have been defeated. Mission accomplished. Now we can get the hell out of there.
 

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Might add this since I got you all in a row expressing your opinion you might want to give us some facts on your liberal "General Betrayus"/blogs and media portrayal or your party's leading candidates initial projections on same--I say initial because they ar all doing the flop now ;)

Heres something else that might make your day.:)

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Singled Out

Time magazine chose Russian President Vladimir Putin over General David Petraeus for its person of the year ? but London's Sunday Telegraph has given Petraeus the nod as its person of the year for 2007.

The paper credits Petraeus for leading the U.S. troop surge, calling him a man with a message of hope: "The critics said it couldn't be done, but the vision and determination of General David Petraeus have brought greater security and cause for optimism to the people of Iraq."

The Telegraph says the surge, "has achieved what many feared was impossible. Sectarian killings are down. Al Qaeda is on the run. And the 2 million Iraqis who fled the country are slowly returning."

And it adds: "The reason for picking Petraeus is simple. Iraq, whatever the current crises in Afghanistan and Pakistan, remains the West's biggest foreign policy challenge of this decade, and if he can halt its slide into all-out anarchy, General Petraeus may save more than Iraqi lives."
 

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Dandy,
The London paper should have given it to Tony Blair and GWB also.why stop with the great General.
Lets never forget- We are in Iraq based on Lies.there wasnt any WMD's and there wasnt a nuclear proliferatiion program(which was the even bigger BIG LIE).makes one wonder when and if GWB and the boys ever tell a semblance of the truth to the American people.Lies and fear messages have worked well for this admin
Theres wasnt any significant presence of A.Q. when we first invaded(I mean liberated) Iraq either.A.Q. only decided to vacation in warm weather iraq once we showed up- Gas was going to be 75 cents a gallon. and of course we were going to do the "right thing" and liberate the poor folks in Iraq.So gas is 3.25 a gallon .exxon mobil has had five or 6 record quarters of profit and there's no connection? Please dont piss in my shoe and tell me its raining ! Geez where would this world be without us playing world cop.The average american doesnt understand why people around the world dont like us.They polled s koreans who we keep safe and they want us gone.(how quckly they forget)
wake up- even IF Iraq truly warranted being liberated our full attention should have been on getting OBL first.Full attention and focus to that ,and that alone was the First duty of this admin and they still havent achieved that objective.Score that one as a big minus for GWB.We fvcked that up and you want me to applaud the guy in charge of the clean up crew in Iraq when we couldve taken out Saddam in a two day raid any time we wanted and instead kept going after that real a--hole OBL
Dont make me laugh.the Gop got there due in the 2006 election and if they get there due again in 2008 (considering the unfavorable rating of this congress)then I guess we can consider it a progressive "mandate".
as for Putin,(I dont know about his man of the year selection) but I will say this -the Russians were smart enough to learn from the butt whuppin they got from afghanistan.Notice how we dont see them involved in anything .At least they learn from their mistakes.I seem to recall Eisenhower warning us (strongly)about getting involved in stuff like this after we left Korea.
after Eisenhower 's warning on Korea and the less than favorable outcome in Vietnam ,we still dont get it,and they say experience is the great teacher.(not for us!)
Maybe GWB didnt take any history courses at Yale?
Lets hope our next president actually attended his college classes instead of getting drunk alot.
IT might keep us out of this kind of BS
Happy New Year to all, and a prosperous 2008 to everyone
peace out-Roc
 
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