anybody notice how msnbc treated hillary like a republican in last night`s debate?

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You keep bringing it back to race, if all it took was the black vote, America would have had a black president by now. Does it make you feel better to think that Obama's success is race based ? That 90% vote is less than 13% nationally and 10 of the states He has won had less than 6% blacks. What is your point ? She can attack him and she has, it doesn't work. When she does it durring a debate the crowd lets her know, they are not going for it. She has tryed at least once in every debate and she knew she couldn't win. I have said many times right here that the far left and far right are the same. Way before I knew who Obama was. It's funny how even the right is saying the media is on his side. The right is crying for Hillary. There is a left wing consiracy against a Clinton.... God bless America !!!!:142smilie What value issues ???? Hillary Clinton has values ?? I didn't think anyone on the Left had values... We are not talking about FAMILY VALUES ARE WE ???:SIB Come ON ! PLEASE ......

My point is you can't see the forest for the trees--the whole Dem primary has been about race and gender.

You see Hiliary having to contend as you say 13% of votes--
I see- since 90% blacks are Dem that 13% black vote is twice as powerful as it would be in national election--as it is confined to just half the voters (dems).

Women vote was slit 50/50 in Wisconsin--who has small black population--
--considering the exit polls
A:the blacks voted 91% for Obama and
B: 58% of voters were women

I see the figure 50/50 slit on "all" women quite misleading since figure includes 91% of a 58% of majority voters.

I could go on but I think you get my drift.

 

[bryanz]

My point is you can't see the forest for the trees--the whole Dem primary has been about race and gender.

You see Hiliary having to contend as you say 13% of votes--
I see- since 90% blacks are Dem that 13% black vote is twice as powerful as it would be in national election--as it is confined to just half the voters (dems).

Women vote was slit 50/50 in Wisconsin--who has small black population--
--considering the exit polls
A:the blacks voted 91% for Obama and
B: 58% of voters were women

I see the figure 50/50 slit on "all" women quite misleading since figure includes 91% of a 58% of majority voters.

I could go on but I think you get my drift.

No, I don't get your drift. You are saying without the black vote, Obama couldn't be were he is and thats not true. How do you explain : colo,conn,idaho,iowa,kanasa,maine,minn,neb,n dakota,utah,wis..... For whatever reason it hard for you addmit his support is braod based . I f blacks in this country played a significant role on who the dems nominee was. I think we would have seen a different picture drawn the last 50 yrs. The poll #'s couldn't be what they say they are nationally in the general election against Mccain if his support wasn't broad based. The National polls for the general election #'s are shaping up close to the last two general elections and both those candidates were not black. Race and gender play a part no doubt but they are not the leading story. They shouldn't be any way.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

as you said--you don't get my drift.

1st consider who he ran against--the most polarizing figure in politics--then consider when the tide turned--when Billy Bob hit the circuit--followed almost immdediately by H firing hispanic lady--followed by Dean like rants from there--and Obama still hasn't sewn it up.

Some thoughts for general election.
How many more black voters will Obama pull than he did in primary--90% is 90%

GOP vs Obama will most certainty get biggest % of hispaics and Jewish people to go GOP than in last 20 years.

If McCain keeps it close there will be event that will occur in Oct that will be about a 5 swing just before election--same event boosted GW ratings about that much--and prospects looking quite favorable Do you know what event is?.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Charlton Hestons birthday?

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Nope--but I'll give you hint it has something to do with Iraq--

You know the place Obama said he reserve possiblity of going back in if AQ was there.

Speaking about Obama how do you like his foreign policy so far
--has Mexico and Canada pissed on Nafta--they ain't buying the fence riding of hating NAFTA but liking free trade
Or Euros--who he's never visited despite chairing
senate committee-
--hmm what about Russia--when they have new pres on Sunday and he's totally clueless
:shrug:

as they say in Texas "all hat and no cattle"

 

[bryanz]

as you said--you don't get my drift.

1st consider who he ran against--the most polarizing figure in politics--then consider when the tide turned--when Billy Bob hit the circuit--followed almost immdediately by H firing hispanic lady--followed by Dean like rants from there--and Obama still hasn't sewn it up.

Some thoughts for general election.
How many more black voters will Obama pull than he did in primary--90% is 90%

GOP vs Obama will most certainty get biggest % of hispaics and Jewish people to go GOP than in last 20 years.

If McCain keeps it close there will be event that will occur in Oct that will be about a 5 swing just before election--same event boosted GW ratings about that much--and prospects looking quite favorable Do you know what event is?.

So. We will see. If Obama becomes President, his appeal will have been broad based. If He loses, you are right and I am wrong. Can we agree on that ???

 

[bryanz]

Nope--but I'll give you hint it has something to do with Iraq--

You know the place Obama said he reserve possiblity of going back in if AQ was there.

Speaking about Obama how do you like his foreign policy so far
--has Mexico and Canada pissed on Nafta--they ain't buying the fence riding of hating NAFTA but liking free trade
Or Euros--who he's never visited despite chairing
senate committee-
--hmm what about Russia--when they have new pres on Sunday and he's totally clueless
:shrug:

as they say in Texas "all hat and no cattle"

You are wrong about his travel again. Your first post about his travel wasn't even close and I pointed that out to you about his Middle East travel. He's been all over the mid east. Look it up. I Posted a link to back it up. Use google. It's there.

 

[bryanz]

Obama in Europe

Obama in Europe

http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1720

 

[bryanz]

for someone that has the ability to post all kinds of info here. you seem to post so many inaccuracies when it comes to Obama.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Let me get this straight, GW Jr. has a lower domestic approval rating than Nixon when he left office (19% vs 24%) and has single digit approval ratings throughout Europe, and DTB posts "concerns" that Obama would alienate our allies.

:00x12

You are in serious denial about how the vast majority of the country and the rest of the world feels about your "mighty fine texan" (the most unpopular president in the history of the country).

Obam could drop a nuke on Sweeden and it might be a horse race with Jr.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

Just a refresher:

When W invaded Iraq, Al Quida was not there as we all know Saddam liked things nice and secular. So Obama saying he would go back into Iraq if Al Quida becomes a threat to the US I think that is great considering for the past 5 years (since the invasion of Iraq) the republicans have kinda distracted us from the real bad guys who flew the planes into the buildings.

Jesus H. Christ, we shoulda been goin after Al Quida all over the world and not screwin around with Iraq since dumb dumb invaded in March, 2003. Got no problem with invading Iraq UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Oh yeah, by the way, did you guys know the JC's middle name is "Hussein".

Eddie

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Oh yeah, by the way, did you guys know the JC's middle name is "Hussein".

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[gardenweasel]

i wonder why zarqawi went to iraq for medical treatment after being injured while fighting in afghanistan?.......

anybody think saddam wasn`t aware of who he was?....and why he was there?....

and remember...we couldn`t locate al qaeda...they were hiding in caves,right?....unidentifiable...

what iraq did was draw them out into a central killing ground....

and they`ve been severely damaged....the iraqi baathists turned on them and now work with us...

you don`t believe that wiretapping and bush`s home security adjustments have kept us safe for 7 years?....o.k...you want to take that position(which is dead wrong),then i say they`ve been occupied in iraq....

and we`re now on the verge of a resounding victory there...

not only are the baathists cooperating,they`ve turned on al qaeda...and al qaeda`s basically been routed...

it looks now like a stinging defeat for them.....

and a victory for us..showing the world after viet nam,that we don`t cut and run everytime the going gets tough...

reinforcing for our allies the belief that we can once again be depended on.....

and sending notice to our enemies that we`ll do what`s necessary and finish what we start....

 

[Jabberwocky]

"and we`re now on the verge of a resounding victory there..."

wow. Could you define for me how we can score a "resounding victory" in this debacle. Not a .....rambling....tirade about.....how the left is.....politically invested in our "defeat"....just clear and concise, objective terms of what you would consider a "resounding victory" (and I am guessing actually capturing Bin Laden won't be on the list.)

 

[Jabberwocky]

"and al qaeda`s basically been routed"

sweet, then it's mission accomplished and we can withdrawal, right?

 

[Jabberwocky]

"reinforcing for our allies the belief that we can once again be depended on....."

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

What allies would you be referring to Hedgehog, sorry, Gardenweasel? All of our European brothers fighting side by side with us?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ok, I will stop posting, but Weasel, you think getting the secular socialist on our side is going to put an end to Sunni and Shiite gihads?

The Arab Socialist Ba'th Party (also spelled Baath or Ba'ath; Arabic: حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي) was founded in Damascus in the 1940s as the original secular Arab nationalist movement, to combat Western colonial rule. In Arabic, baath means renaissance or resurrection. It functioned as a pan-Arab party with branches in different Arab countries, but was strongest in Syria and Iraq, coming to power in both countries in 1963. In 1966 the Syrian and Iraqi parties split into rival organizations mainly for ideological reasons ? the Qotri (or Regionalist) Syria-based party being aligned with the Soviet Union while the Qawmi (or Nationalist) Iraq-based party adopted a generally more centrist stance.[1] Both Ba'th parties retained the same name and maintain parallel structures in the Arab world.

The Ba'th Party came to power in Syria on 8 March 1963 and has held a monopoly on political power since. Later that same year, the Ba'thists gained control of Iraq and ran the country on two separate occasions, briefly in 1963 and then for a longer period lasting from July 1968 until 2003. After the de facto deposition of President Saddam Hussein?s Ba'thist regime in the course of the 2003 Iraq War, the invading US army banned the Iraqi Ba'th Party in June 2003.

The Arabic word Ba'th means "resurrection" as in the party?s founder Michel Aflaq?s published works "On The Way Of Resurrection". Ba'thist beliefs combine Arab Socialism, nationalism, and Pan-Arabism. The mostly secular ideology often contrasts with that of other Arab governments in the Middle East, which sometimes tend to have leanings towards Islamism and theocracy.

Inspired by 18th century French Enlightenment, the motto of the Party is "Unity, Freedom, Socialism" (in Arabic wahda, hurriya, ishtirakiya). Unity refers to Arab unity, freedom emphasizes freedom from foreign control and interference in particular, and socialism refers to what has been termed Arab Socialism rather than to Marxism.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1720

You'll note on link I had on his travel it noted his one short stop and talk with Blair--you also note in your link he does not specify any other European country he has visited just generalities--

Now read your link--then read this--and you will see how he can make a silk purse out of sows ear.

Both appear to be "technically correct" but much diff appearance. Try this--using Obama's own words -prove any portion of this statement incorrect.

Like Kennedy, Obama has taken several long trips as a lawmaker?through the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union. But there is one noteworthy gap in Obama?s itinerary: except for a brief stopover in London, returning from Russia in 2005, he has apparently never been to Western Europe since launching his political career. What renders this gap especially surprising is that Obama is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Europe. Not only has the Senator not visited the region his committee oversees, but as Steve Clemons of the Washington Note has observed, Obama?s committee has not held a single policy-oriented hearing since he?s been chairman. Europe may not be the central playing field it was in Kennedy?s day, but it remains essential to the global set of alliances and relationships that the U.S. needs to cultivate in the new century. In fact, there is no place where it will be more urgent to rebuild bridges. As Obama knows, the United States cannot do it alone?and Europe will need to play a supporting role in whatever strategy the next president articulates.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne:

Just a refresher:

When W invaded Iraq, Al Quida was not there as we all know Saddam liked things nice and secular. So Obama saying he would go back into Iraq if Al Quida becomes a threat to the US I think that is great considering for the past 5 years (since the invasion of Iraq) the republicans have kinda distracted us from the real bad guys who flew the planes into the buildings.

Jesus H. Christ, we shoulda been goin after Al Quida all over the world and not screwin around with Iraq since dumb dumb invaded in March, 2003. Got no problem with invading Iraq UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Oh yeah, by the way, did you guys know the JC's middle name is "Hussein".

Eddie

You doing the the Obama two step now.

Fact of the matter
A:When has Obama been to Iraq to see any of the changes--McCain been there and Afgan numerous times
B: He's called for retreat from the start and has continued to do so in debates--how can he have any idea what is going on in Iraq 6 months in advance--and then says he would have option to go in if AQ was there. I can guarantee they are there now and will be in Nov.
Maybe someone needs to inform him that UBL and Al-Zarchawi have both stated Iraq is the central front on their war with U.S.

--and how does Obama respond--they weren't there until we invaded--and his congregation cheers--UBL and A-Z and terrorist cheer--Moveon takes out full page ad and cheers
--as our troops-allies-Iraqis-Pakistan and Afgan cringe.

--which brings me to event that will occur in Oct.
Remember all the hoopla with the blue fingers when Iraq voted for 1st time--the spike in GW's ratings--guess what happens in oct-again --then consider if conditions there just remain as they are now with no further improvement.

How are the Dems going to look on their track meet to defeat--we've already lost-- civil war is imminent ect. If contest is close in oct--this should be deciding factor--so you best get together with your other liberals/moveon/KOS and secretly root against us there.

I might also remind you GW won in 04 just after 54 days of NYT and Algazeera propaganda on prison scandal--imagine what could happen on good news.

 

[Jabberwocky]

but it remains essential to the global set of alliances and relationships that the U.S. needs to cultivate in the new century. In fact, there is no place where it will be more urgent to rebuild bridges.

why would we need to rebuild bridges with Europe? Oh yeah, GW Jr. burned them all.