States may free inmates to save millions

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Lawmakers from California to Kentucky are trying to save money with a drastic and potentially dangerous budget-cutting proposal: releasing tens of thousands of convicts from prison, including drug addicts, thieves and even violent criminals.

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Officials acknowledge that the idea carries risks, but they say they have no choice because of huge budget gaps brought on by the slumping economy.

"If we don't find a way to better manage the population at the state prison, we will be forced to spend money to expand the state's prison system ? money we don't have," said Jeff Neal, a spokesman for Rhode Island Gov. Don Carcieri.

At least eight states are considering freeing inmates or sending some convicts to rehabilitation programs instead of prison, according to an Associated Press analysis of legislative proposals. If adopted, the early release programs could save an estimated $450 million in California and Kentucky alone.

A Rhode Island proposal would allow inmates to deduct up to 12 days from their sentence for every month they follow rules and work in prison. Even some violent offenders would be eligible but not those serving life sentences.

A plan in Mississippi would offer early parole for people convicted of selling marijuana or prescription drugs. New Jersey, South Carolina and Vermont are considering funneling drug-addicted offenders into treatment, which is cheaper than prison.

The prospect of financial savings offers little comfort to Tori-Lynn Heaton, a police officer in a suburb of Providence whose ex-husband went to prison for beating her. He has already finished his prison term, but would have been eligible for early release under the current proposal.

"You're talking about victim safety. You're talking about community member safety," she said. "You can't balance the budget on the backs of victims of crimes."

But prisons "are one of the most expensive parts of the criminal-justice system," said Alison Lawrence, who studies corrections policy for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "That's where they look to first to cut down some of those costs."

Rhode Island Corrections Director A.T. Wall was not sure how many prisoners could be freed early. The payoff for doing so may be relatively small: less than $1 million for the first fiscal year, although that figure would increase over time.

In California, where lawmakers have taken steps to cut a $16 billion budget deficit in half by summer, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed saving $400 million by releasing more than 22,000 inmates who had less than 20 months remaining on their sentences. Violent and sex offenders would not be eligible.

Laying off prison guards and making it more difficult to send parole violators back to state prison would account for part of the savings.

Law enforcement officials and Republican lawmakers immediately criticized Schwarzenegger's proposal, which would apply to car thieves, forgers, drunken drivers and some drug dealers. Some would never serve prison time because the standard sentence for those crimes is 20 months or less.

"To open the prison door and release prisoners back into communities is merely placing a state burden onto local governments and will ultimately jeopardize safety in communities," said Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer, who could see 1,800 inmates released in his area.

In Kentucky, which faces a $1.3 billion deficit, lawmakers approved legislation Wednesday to grant early release to some prisoners. Initial estimates were that the plan could affect as many as 2,000 inmates and save nearly $50 million.

If the governor signs the bill, the exact number of prisoners would be determined by prison officials. Violent convicts and sexual offenders would be exempt.

Gov. Steve Beshear has said Kentucky must review its policies after the state's inmate population jumped 12 percent last year ? the largest increase in the nation.

Kentucky spends more than $18,600 to house one inmate for a year, or roughly $51 a day. In California, each inmate costs an average of $46,104 to incarcerate.

The prison budget in Mississippi has nearly tripled since stricter sentencing laws took effect in 1994.

To curb spending, lawmakers have offered a bill to make about 7,000 drug offenders in prison eligible for parole. A second proposal would allow the parole board to release inmates convicted of selling marijuana and prescription drugs after serving just a quarter of their sentences. Currently, they must serve 85 percent of their terms before release.

Michigan is trying to speed up the parole process for about 3,500 inmates who were convicted of nonviolent, nonsexual offenses, or who are seriously ill.

Barbara Sampson, chairwoman of the Michigan Parole Board, said early release often makes sense, especially for low-risk offenders who get help rebuilding their lives.

"Getting that prisoner back to the community so that he can stay connected to his family, getting him back into the work force ... that's a positive thing," she said.

But not everyone is sold on the idea.

"Economics cannot be the engine that drives the train of public safety," said Terrence Jungel, executive director of the Michigan Sheriffs' Association. "Government has no greater responsibility than the protection of its citizens."

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In California, each inmate costs an average of $46,104 to incarcerate.

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Meanwhile in The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts....

Let me introduce you to my new Boss...

State?s new prison chief said he would consider killer?s sex-change request

By Associated Press | Tuesday, April 1, 2008 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Local Coverage
BOSTON - The new commissioner of the state?s prison system said today he plans to re-examine the case of a convicted killer suing the Department of Correction to try to get a sex-change operation.

Prison officials have strenuously opposed a request from Michelle Kosilek to have the surgery, saying it could make him a target for sexual assault by other inmates.

But DOC Commissioner Harold Clarke, who took over the department in November, said he has not decided yet whether to continue to fight Kosilek?s request.

"I need to take a look at the information presented before I arrived, and with a fresh set of eyes, closely scrutinize it," Clarke said, following a status hearing in U.S. District Court on Kosilek?s lawsuit.

Robert Kosilek was sentenced to life in prison for murdering his wife, Cheryl, in 1990. Kosilek legally changed his name to Michelle in 1993 and has been living as a woman in an all-male prison in Norfolk.

Kosilek first sued the Department of Correction in 2000, claiming its refusal to pay for a sex-change operation violates his Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment.

In 2002, U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf ruled that Kosilek had failed to adequately treat Kosilek?s gender identity disorder, but stopped short of ordering the state to allow the sex-change operation. Wolf found that the DOC had not violated Kosilek?s Eighth Amendment rights because Kosilek did not prove that the correction commissioner had shown "deliberate indifference" to Kosilek?s medical needs.

Kosilek, 58, sued again in 2005, saying the hormone treatments, laser hair removal and psychotherapy he has received since Wolf?s 2002 ruling were not enough to relieve his anxiety and depression.

For the last year, Wolf has been weighing whether to order the DOC to allow the surgery. Several medical experts who testified for Kosilek, as well as several doctors retained by the DOC?s health provider, said they believe the surgery is medically necessary for Kosilek, who has twice tried to commit suicide in prison. But other experts hired by the DOC said Kosilek does not need the surgery.

Wolf ordered Clarke to attend Tuesday?s hearing after Kosilek?s attorneys said they wanted to hear Clarke?s position on the case. Kosilek?s lawyers noted that Clarke formerly headed the prison system in Washington state, which housed a transsexual murderer from New Hampshire.

Clarke said he was willing to testify in the Kosilek case, but an attorney for the DOC asked for more time so Clarke can review previous testimony in the case. Clarke is scheduled to testify on May 12.

Former DOC Commissioner Kathleen Dennehy, testifying in June 2006, said that if Kosilek is allowed to have a sex-change operation, it would pose "insurmountable" security risks. Dennehy said prison officials believe Kosilek would become a target for sexual assault in either a male or female prison.

Dennehy also said she would resign if she was ordered to allow Kosilek to have the surgery.

Clarke said he doesn?t believe it would come to that.

"I don?t think I?d resign if the court ordered it," he said after the hearing Tuesday.

"It?s a very serious matter that I think deserves my close attention."
 

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get punitive on crime w/ mandatory sentences... BUT, we don't want to pay for it.

inmates are sitting idle in prisons... recidivism rates are awful.

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Lets just start killing people who commit any sort of violent crime.

Not drugs or robbers, but murders, attempted murders, rapists, any type of physical sex offenders.

Then the next tier down like assults...you get 2 strikes before you get killed.

Its seems to be the only solution.
 

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get punitive on crime w/ mandatory sentences... BUT, we don't want to pay for it.

inmates are sitting idle in prisons... recidivism rates are awful.

recidivism.gif
Of course they're sitting idle. That's what happens in prison - when they're not playing softball or basketball, that is. The best solution is to simply eradicate the worst from the earth. People need to start understanding that we have limited resources on this earth, and way too many people. Once you commit certain acts, you forfeit the right to live. The reason for high recidivism is that prison is not bad enough. The punishment is simply not harsh enough to cause a change in behavior. Until the pain is made worse than the gain, this will not stop.

Finally, I believe the vast majority of citizens would prefer to build prisons than to defend Israel in an unjust war.
 

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Of course they're sitting idle. That's what happens in prison - when they're not playing softball or basketball, that is. The best solution is to simply eradicate the worst from the earth. People need to start understanding that we have limited resources on this earth, and way too many people. Once you commit certain acts, you forfeit the right to live. The reason for high recidivism is that prison is not bad enough. The punishment is simply not harsh enough to cause a change in behavior. Until the pain is made worse than the gain, this will not stop.

Finally, I believe the vast majority of citizens would prefer to build prisons than to defend Israel in an unjust war.

wow... did you know we live in the U.S?
 

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Point? Our system needs to be altered, it's broken. And, by the way, I'm a real attorney, not some kid in undergrad. Once you get in the real world, you'll see things don't quite operate the way they look in a textbook.

Now, what're you objecting to in my post?
 

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Point? Our system needs to be altered, it's broken. And, by the way, I'm a real attorney, not some kid in undergrad. Once you get in the real world, you'll see things don't quite operate the way they look in a textbook.

Now, what're you objecting to in my post?

lol... we're talking about sentencing and corrections... nothing about the courts.


first of all... the main problem w/ our corrections is we're letting violent offenders out to house the non-violent drug offenders.

the BOP is currently housing a lil over 50% for drug offenses... see a problem there.

and the comment about your last post... America isn't a communist country... thats exactly what it sounded like.
 

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first of all... the main problem w/ our corrections is we're letting violent offenders out to house the non-violent drug offenders.

the BOP is currently housing a lil over 50% for drug offenses... see a problem there.

yep. Kelly, Singapore, or Iran might be a better fit for you.
 

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Of course they're sitting idle. That's what happens in prison - when they're not playing softball or basketball, that is. The best solution is to simply eradicate the worst from the earth. People need to start understanding that we have limited resources on this earth, and way too many people. Once you commit certain acts, you forfeit the right to live. The reason for high recidivism is that prison is not bad enough. The punishment is simply not harsh enough to cause a change in behavior. Until the pain is made worse than the gain, this will not stop.

Finally, I believe the vast majority of citizens would prefer to build prisons than to defend Israel in an unjust war.

I absolutely agree with you and 3 Seconds! I'm so glad to see there are others who feel this way.

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Lets just start killing people who commit any sort of violent crime.

Not drugs or robbers, but murders, attempted murders, rapists, any type of physical sex offenders.

Then the next tier down like assults...you get 2 strikes before you get killed.

Its seems to be the only solution.


Agreed. fewer repeat offenders for sure.
 

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more liberalism....

anybody aware that the average criminal commits anywhere from 15-25 crimes before being caught?......could be your sister/wife or mother...

think of the ramifications on society...it`s insane...

i understand they need the money....how else are we gonna afford to give illegal aliens "in-state" tuitions?......

liberalism is a disease...

btw...kelly...are you taking on any new clients?...
 

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more liberalism....

anybody aware that the average criminal commits anywhere from 15-25 crimes before being caught?......could be your sister/wife or mother...

think of the ramifications on society...it`s insane...

i understand they need the money....how else are we gonna afford to give illegal aliens "in-state" tuitions?......

liberalism is a disease...

btw...kelly...are you taking on any new clients?...
Hey guys - This bleeding heart attitude is absolutely insane. Trust me, something happens to their loved one, they'll flip in a second. The way the system is set up now IS the problem. If the death penalty were used how it should be, it would be a deterrent. Convict, one appeal, death. The sentence for child molestation/rape should be death. No point in allowing those types to live among us. If people feared, really feared, what would happen to them they might think twice. The majority of people do NOT agree with the laws as they currently exist. Although no system is perfect, ours certainly needs to be tweaked.

As for Justin, while I applaud your youthful energy, you constantly make comments that are either half-accurate or just plain wrong. One instance I remember in particular is the Texas guy who shot his neighbors' burglars. You spouted off and were absolutely wrong about Texas law and what it provides. If you are going to make assertations, please ensure they are accurate or preface them with "I think".
 

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They should take these convicts and put them over in Iraq or something with a butter knife and plastic spoon, if they make it home they are free, perhaps while they are there they can do something good and hunt some bad guys. Just putting them back in to society without earning it or being fully penalized for it is just plain INSANE.

jr11
 

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Hey guys - This bleeding heart attitude is absolutely insane. Trust me, something happens to their loved one, they'll flip in a second. The way the system is set up now IS the problem. If the death penalty were used how it should be, it would be a deterrent. Convict, one appeal, death. The sentence for child molestation/rape should be death. No point in allowing those types to live among us. If people feared, really feared, what would happen to them they might think twice. The majority of people do NOT agree with the laws as they currently exist. Although no system is perfect, ours certainly needs to be tweaked.

As for Justin, while I applaud your youthful energy, you constantly make comments that are either half-accurate or just plain wrong. One instance I remember in particular is the Texas guy who shot his neighbors' burglars. You spouted off and were absolutely wrong about Texas law and what it provides. If you are going to make assertations, please ensure they are accurate or preface them with "I think".

you're right... I was wrong... and I said i was wrong if you open up the thread. I even posted links to that same statute in texas that allows deadly force for defense of property.

there's always two sides of every argument, and I believe you are wrong. Of course, there are some people that need to be burned for the crimes they commit. I'm not going into the death penalty and all that, but my side of the argument is these non-violent drug offenders. The "War on Drugs" is causing this back flow in the prison systems, both federal and state level. And in no way am I disagreeing with your comment about how the corrections in the U.S. is broke. The main problem I see is... Letting violent offenders out in order to house the non-violent offenders. This is awful. Of course, if we don't punish these drug offenders, and give them a slap on the wrist, they will go right back to what they were doing before. But, once they are paroled or released, majority of them go back to their old ways anyway.

Also, in 15th or 16th century England, they would hang pick-pockets in front of the public. Large crowds would then witness and cheer these public lynchings. BUT, guess what was happening at these hangings? Yeah, you guessed right. Pick-pockets were having a field day.

The deterrence effect can work both ways.
 

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They should take these convicts and put them over in Iraq or something with a butter knife and plastic spoon, if they make it home they are free, perhaps while they are there they can do something good and hunt some bad guys. Just putting them back in to society without earning it or being fully penalized for it is just plain INSANE.

jr11


I like this idea. We could even modify it to include illegal aliens.
 

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you're right... I was wrong... and I said i was wrong if you open up the thread. I even posted links to that same statute in texas that allows deadly force for defense of property.

there's always two sides of every argument, and I believe you are wrong. Of course, there are some people that need to be burned for the crimes they commit. I'm not going into the death penalty and all that, but my side of the argument is these non-violent drug offenders. The "War on Drugs" is causing this back flow in the prison systems, both federal and state level. And in no way am I disagreeing with your comment about how the corrections in the U.S. is broke. The main problem I see is... Letting violent offenders out in order to house the non-violent offenders. This is awful. Of course, if we don't punish these drug offenders, and give them a slap on the wrist, they will go right back to what they were doing before. But, once they are paroled or released, majority of them go back to their old ways anyway.

Also, in 15th or 16th century England, they would hang pick-pockets in front of the public. Large crowds would then witness and cheer these public lynchings. BUT, guess what was happening at these hangings? Yeah, you guessed right. Pick-pockets were having a field day.

The deterrence effect can work both ways.
I don't disagree about non-violent drug offenders. For the most part, that's just a waste of our time and resources.
 
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