Israel attacked USS Liberty, may try carrier in gulf

[Spytheweb]

Is Israel putting together a plan to attack a US carrier in the gulf and blame it on Iran, like it did with the USS Liberty?

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. This USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.


The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft over flights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship nine hours before the attack by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40 Million Dollar state of the art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.



The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.



Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists
The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, AFP's Liberty Radio Hour, or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers.

On the Israeli side, the group of pro-Israel, anti-American critics of our story, while small, persists in launching loud, vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who attempts to discuss the deliberateness of the attack. These anti-American apologists refuse to discuss the facts of the case. Instead, they rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being antiSemitic.

For detailed and authoritative accounts of the power and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, please see The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt and The Pro-Israel Lobby by Edward Herman.



The Betrayal of American Veterans
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Americans who volunteer for military service effectively write a blank check, payable to the United States of America for an amount "up to and including my life." The United States, in turn, promises to spend these checks responsibly. That bargain implicitly includes a promise by the United States to protect them and to seek retribution against anyone who harms them. In the case of USS Liberty, the United States has failed to keep its promise.

http://www.gtr5.com/

 

[Spytheweb]

One candidate with a real interest in this story is Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who five years ago endorsed a book, The Liberty Incident, that concluded it was a mistake. McCain's interest stems from the fact that his father, the late Adm. John S. McCain, was commander of U.S. Naval Forces, Europe, at the time, and ordered the official court of inquiry to investigate the attack.

Based on the court's findings, Adm. McCain concluded it was a case of mistaken identity. But five years ago the legal advisor to the court broke his own silence in an interview with me, calling the final report a sham, a cover-up. It was about that same time that The Liberty Incident, by A. Jay Cristol, a former Navy pilot and retired judge, hit the bookshelves.

Sen. McCain praised the book and its findings in a blurb that appeared on the back cover.

In recent months there have been more revelations about the attack and immediate aftermath, however. In June, I reported that the Navy already was calling the attack accidental in its casualty notification telegrams to next of kin even before the court of inquiry convened for the first time.

Then came the Tribune story last week, reporting that the National Security Agency's deputy director of operations in 1967 now confirms that transcripts of U.S. intercepts of Israeli communications show the Israelis knew exactly who they were attacking.

Oliver Kirby is quoted in the Trib story as recalling the Israeli pilots several times identifying the ship as American but being told to attack anyway. While some of the original transcripts and intel have disappeared, the story reports that some of it is still in U.S. government archives.

So far, calls to McCain's senate and campaign offices have not been returned.

 

[Tapir Caper]

Good articles to show anyone considering a career in the military.

 

[gardenweasel]

what was the "joos" motivation back in 1967 to attack their closest allies?....

 

[TonyTT]

weasel,

From what I've read about it, the incident happened on the 4th day of the Six Day War back in '67 with the Arabs. Israel was to sink the ship in a FALSE FLAG OPERATION and the Arabs would be blamed, drawing the USA into the war with the Arabs. Of course there were to be no survivors ( I've read where they actually strafed US sailors in the water). Fortunately for the remaining crew..it didn't work.
I've also read where the commander of the Liberty (McGonagle) was given the Medal of Honor in a very private ceremony and told to keep his mouth shut.
Johnson was supposed to have been in on the deal, and from everything I've read about that guy in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me.
Of course all of this is probably just another crazy CONSPIRACY THEORY, everyone knows that our side would never pull anything like that.
:nono:

 

[The Sponge]

weasel,

From what I've read about it, the incident happened on the 4th day of the Six Day War back in '67 with the Arabs. Israel was to sink the ship in a FALSE FLAG OPERATION and the Arabs would be blamed, drawing the USA into the war with the Arabs. Of course there were to be no survivors ( I've read where they actually strafed US sailors in the water). Fortunately for the remaining crew..it didn't work.
I've also read where the commander of the Liberty (McGonagle) was given the Medal of Honor in a very private ceremony and told to keep his mouth shut.
Johnson was supposed to have been in on the deal, and from everything I've read about that guy in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me.
Of course all of this is probably just another crazy CONSPIRACY THEORY, everyone knows that our side would never pull anything like that.
:nono:

Tony the Weasels of the world would rather call everyone who likes to get to the bottom of this kinda stuff Anti Semi (the lazy way out of a debate) and just sweep it under the rug and move on. Its why our gov't gets away with hiding stuff like this. Its a nation full of monkeys.

 

[kosar]

what was the "joos" motivation back in 1967 to attack their closest allies?....

Are you kidding?

 

[THE KOD]

weasel,

From what I've read about it, the incident happened on the 4th day of the Six Day War back in '67 with the Arabs. Israel was to sink the ship in a FALSE FLAG OPERATION and the Arabs would be blamed, drawing the USA into the war with the Arabs. Of course there were to be no survivors ( I've read where they actually strafed US sailors in the water). Fortunately for the remaining crew..it didn't work.
I've also read where the commander of the Liberty (McGonagle) was given the Medal of Honor in a very private ceremony and told to keep his mouth shut.
Johnson was supposed to have been in on the deal, and from everything I've read about that guy in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me.
Of course all of this is probably just another crazy CONSPIRACY THEORY, everyone knows that our side would never pull anything like that.
:nono:

.............................................................

Yeh and guess who was in total charge of keeping the cover up covered ?

Admiral John McCain -

Just another example of how political debts are paid even after 50 years.

McCain is owed the Presidency .:SIB :shrug:

GO OBAMA !:00hour

 

[gardenweasel]

weasel,

From what I've read about it, the incident happened on the 4th day of the Six Day War back in '67 with the Arabs. Israel was to sink the ship in a FALSE FLAG OPERATION and the Arabs would be blamed, drawing the USA into the war with the Arabs. :nono:

you mean like 9/11,tony?......i mean,everybody knows the joos were told to stay home that day....


:banghead:

 

[TonyTT]

you mean like 9/11,tony?......i mean,everybody knows the joos were told to stay home that day....


:banghead:

Naw,
I was thinkin' more like OPERATION AJAX but that was probably another one of those false flaggies that wasn't true.:chairshot

 

[gardenweasel]

those damned joos are everywhere...

perpetrating terrorist attacks on civilians all over the world....fooling everybody into thinking they`re al qaeda or the taliban.........

i`m learning new stuff everyday...like how poland forced hitler into starting ww2...and how he never intended the holocaust.....

:shrug: ...of course if you read mein kampf....or took bin laden on his word that he masterminded 9/11....you`d have been duped by the joos yet again....

sleep,sleep,sleep
good little sheep
sleep,sleep,sleep....:bed:

 

[TonyTT]

those damned joos are everywhere...

perpetrating terrorist attacks on civilians all over the world....fooling everybody into thinking they`re al qaeda or the taliban.........

LOL...Not unless ZBIGNIEW BRZESZINSKI, the PAKISTANI ISI, or the SAUDI secret police are jewish. You're giving the jews wayyy to much credit or blame. Hell you spread around more DISINFORMATION than ALEX JONES. But keep up the good work, that's a small part of why our system works so well.

 

[Tapir Caper]

Our Congress is controlled by a hostile foreign power - Israel.

Don't Wait for World War III
Act now to stop it!

by Justin Raimondo

The drumbeat for war with Iran is getting louder. Determined to ensure their success, by hook or by crook, the neoconservatives inside the administration, and their supporters in Israel, have launched a three-front campaign to provoke a confrontation with Tehran.

1. The Blackmail Option: Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert held a secret meeting recently at his home. Present were top cabinet officials and someone who has plenty of experience of the sort that interests the Israelis at the present moment: Aviam Sela, who headed up Operation Opera, the 1981 air strike against Iraq's Osirak nuclear facility. It was a bold and decisive blow against Israel's mortal enemy, which set the Iraqis back (though it drove them to create an underground program that actually was for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons by the time of the first Gulf War 10 years later). What Olmert wanted to know was whether it could be repeated in the case of Iran.

Yet no one should assume that Israel intends to act alone. An Israeli strike against Iran would be but a prelude to a much wider conflict, one that would invariably draw in Israel's one and only ally ? us.

That's why the Israeli propaganda campaign directed at Iran has taken place on American terrain, aimed squarely at American public opinion and American lawmakers. Speaking at a recent AIPAC conference in Washington, Olmert declared:

"Israel will not tolerate the possibility of a nuclear Iran, and neither should any other country in the free world. The Iranian threat must be stopped by all possible means. International economic and political sanctions on Iran, as crucial as they may be, are only an initial step, and must be dramatically increased. ? The international community has a duty and responsibility to clarify to Iran, through drastic measures, that the repercussions of their continued pursuit of nuclear weapons will be devastating."

There is no doubt in anyone's mind what "drastic" means, and this was underscored by his deputy prime minister, Shaul Mofaz, who recently averred that an attack on Iran is "unavoidable."

The Israelis, as is well-known, cannot take out the widely dispersed Iranian target sites all by themselves. They need U.S. cruise missiles fired from our ships in the Persian Gulf to take out the entirety of Iran's nuclear assets. The whole point of this stratagem would be to embroil the U.S. in a conflict that would soon take on regional dimensions.

2. The Blockade Option: The Israel lobby is hard at work getting support for a congressional resolution that mandates a naval blockade of Iran. This is now AIPAC's top priority in Washington, and members of Congress from both sides of the aisle have already signed on. The Senate version has attracted 32 cosponsors, while the House version has 220 cosponsors.

The resolution itself is typical AIPAC agitprop: at one point, it says that "the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate reports that the Government of Iran was secretly working on the design and manufacture of a nuclear warhead until at least 2003 and that Iran could have enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon as early as late 2009" ? deftly snipping off the conclusion of the NIE that "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program" and substituting the Israeli assessment that Iran will go nuclear by 2009, which the National Intelligence Council concluded was "very unlikely."

The resolution, while containing boilerplate language to the effect that "nothing in this resolution will be construed as authorizing military action," goes on to demand "that the president lead an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the pressure on the Government of Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, among other measures, banning the importation of refined petroleum products to Iran."

It is typical Orwellian Newspeak: no military action is "authorized," yet what else would a blockade involve but the use of American military assets to enforce it? This means war ? and don't think for a moment that the Israel lobby hasn't got the power to push this war resolution through Congress.

3. The Infiltration Option: Congress has already approved $400 million to destabilize the Iranian regime, the first phase of the administration's war moves against Tehran, and U.S. special-ops teams have been busy. The number of violent incidents inside Iran has recently skyrocketed, and there is little doubt that the U.S. is funding and otherwise assisting terrorist activities within that country. As Seymour Hersh reports:

"The scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which involve the Central Intelligence Agency and the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), have now been significantly expanded, according to the current and former officials."

The idea of the infiltration option is to coordinate with various minority ethnic groups, such as the Ahwazis and the Baluchis ? Sunni fundamentalists of the al-Qaeda stripe who despise the Iranian Shi'ites as heretics ? as well as the idiosyncratic Marxist cultists of the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK). The goal is not just to gather intelligence, but also to provoke the regime into initiating a violent reaction. This would increase the likelihood of direct U.S. involvement, as the fighting spills over Iran's borders into Iraq and/or Pakistan.

All three options, working in tandem over the next few months, will be more than enough to provoke the Iranians into some sort of response, which can then be used as a pretext for the Americans to attack.

As in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, there is considerable opposition gathering within U.S. military and diplomatic circles. Hersh reports on a meeting between Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the Democratic caucus in the Senate, during which

"Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush administration staged a preemptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.' Gates's comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Gates's answer, the senator told me, was 'Let's just say that I'm here speaking for myself.'"

The realists in the administration ? foremost among them, the top military brass ? know what a disaster war with Iran would soon turn into. It would be an act of self-immolation unprecedented since Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Yet the power of the Israel lobby is formidable, the realists have little political clout, and there isn't much time to stop the momentum for war.

As craven as Barack Obama's recent performance before AIPAC was, the Lobby knows that, as president, he'll be unlikely to launch what would amount to World War III. Shmuel Bar, a former top intelligence officer and Israeli government official who now works as an analyst, recently spoke to the British Guardian:

"What is clear is that the push inside the Israeli establishment for a strike is not being driven by the timetable of Iran's mastery of the technical aspects alone, but by geopolitical considerations. That point was reinforced by Bar last week when he identified a window of opportunity for a strike on Iran ? ahead of the November presidential election in the United States which could see Barack Obama take power, and possibly engage with Syria and Iran. An Obama presidency would close that window for Israel, says Bar."

The window of opportunity for the neocons to launch an attack will stay open only as long as this president is in the White House, and the Israelis know it. That's why their propaganda campaign has recently been ratcheted up to new heights of hysteria, and why they're pulling in all their chits in Congress.

The clock is ticking, and the Lobby is moving fast. Will ? can ? the antiwar movement move with equal speed?

What is needed, first of all, is a decisive defeat for the Lobby on the issue of Senate Resolution 580 (in the House, Congressional Resolution 362). A new war in the Middle East ? or anywhere else ? is the last thing the majority of Americans want, yet a fanatical and well-positioned minority will prevail if we don't act now. Call your congressional representative today and tell them, politely and calmly, that you are urging a "No!" vote on these concurrent resolutions.

There seems little doubt who and what is motivating this new push for war. Even as "moderate" a commentator as Joe Klein knows that the Lobby is up to its old tricks again, and he is being pilloried for telling the truth. In his Time column, Klein wrote:

"The notion that we could just waltz in and inject democracy into an extremely complicated, devout and ancient culture smacked ? still smacks ? of neocolonialist legerdemain. The fact that a great many Jewish neoconservatives ? people like Joe Lieberman and the crowd over at Commentary ? plumped for this war, and now for an even more foolish assault on Iran, raised the question of divided loyalties: using U.S. military power, U.S. lives and money, to make the world safe for Israel."

As I have pointed out in this space many times, the great majority of American Jews oppose this administration's crazed foreign policy, and there would be no antiwar movement of any consequence without their active support. Yet it cannot be denied ? as I wrote before a single shot had been fired ? that the Iraq war was launched, as Klein notes, to make the Middle East safer for Israel, just as the current push for "regime change" in Iran is energized by the same motive.

This is what it means to be an empire: foreign lobbyists and satraps gather 'round the imperial throne, scheming and plotting to gain the emperor's favor and the privilege of using his praetorians as an instrument to advance their own ends. If it wasn't the Israelis, it would be someone else ? perhaps the Brits, as in the two previous world wars. In any case, until and unless we make real changes in our foreign policy ? fundamental changes ? we'll never get out of this box, and war clouds will loom large on our horizon well into the foreseeable future.

In the meantime, however, we have to make a start, and that means defeating Senate Resolution 580 and House Resolution 362, in what would be a rare setback for the Lobby. Go for it!

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j063008b.html

 

[Tapir Caper]

More signs of Israeli-US preparations for attacking Iran

By Peter Symonds
28 June 2008

The visit by US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Mike Mullen to Israel yesterday is one more indication that the two countries are actively discussing a military strike on Iran. Mullen?s trip followed news that the Israeli air force carried out a major exercise earlier this month involving 100 fighter jets, backed by midair fuel tankers and rescue helicopters, flying some 1,500 kilometres westward over the Mediterranean Sea?roughly the same distance as eastward from Israel to Iran?s nuclear facilities.

Mullen?s trip was only the second by a joint chiefs chairman to Israel in more than a decade. Last December Mullen also visited Israel in the wake of an unprovoked attack last September by Israeli warplanes on a building in northern Syria. In April, the Bush administration authorised a CIA briefing, which claimed, on the basis of limited evidence, that Syria had been constructing a nuclear reactor at the site with the assistance of North Korea.

Few details of Mullen?s latest trip are available, but Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell did acknowledge that Iran was at the top of the agenda. ?Obviously, when Chairman Mullen goes to Israel and speaks with the Israelis, they will no doubt discuss the threat posed by Iran, as we discuss it in this building, in other buildings in town,? he said.

Two other top US military officers were also in Israel this week. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead met with his Israeli counterpart, as did General William Wallace, commander of the US Army Training and Doctrine Command. Roughead?s presence is particularly significant, as the US navy would be central in countering any Iranian retaliation in the Persian Gulf following an Israeli strike.

The high-level visits follow a series of threats against Iran by senior Israeli figures, most explicitly by Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz. He told an Israeli newspaper on June 13 that ?if Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it?. The Israeli ambassador to the US, Sallai Meridor, told CBS News last week that time was ?running out? for a diplomatic action to force Iran to shut down its nuclear programs. ?We cannot take this threat lightly and as our prime minister recently said Israel will not tolerate a nuclear Iran,? he said.

Like the US, Israel claims, without any substantive evidence, that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program, which, according to Israeli intelligence, could manufacture a bomb as early as next year. Unlike Israel, Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and its nuclear facilities are monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). A series of IAEA reports confirm that Iran is enriching uranium only to the low levels required to fuel its planned power reactors?as Tehran has insisted all along. A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) by US intelligence agencies last December found that Iran had ended any weapons program by 2003.

Israel, however, is determined to maintain its military supremacy in the Middle East and to prevent any, even remote, possibility that Iran, or any other neighbour, will master nuclear technology that would in the future assist in the building of weapons. Hypocritically, both Israeli and US officials remain silent on what is an open secret?that Israel maintains its own substantial arsenal of atomic bombs. In order to retain its nuclear monopoly, the Israeli regime is prepared to risk plunging the entire region into a conflagration through an unprovoked and criminal attack on Iran.

The Bush administration, which regards Iran as an obstacle to US dominance in the oil-rich Middle East, is complicit in these plans. As a number of defence analysts have pointed out, the Israeli military does not have the capacity to carry out the type of sustained air war needed not only to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, but to level Iran?s air defences and military capacity to retaliate. Moreover, any Israeli air strike on Iran is limited in its choice of routes?the most obvious one being over US-occupied Iraq. Whatever is the case, Israel needs the tacit political support, if not active military assistance, of the US.

Israeli impatience has nothing to do with Iran?s alleged weapons program. If time is ?running out?, the main consideration is a political one?that the Bush administration is due to leave office early next year. Analyst Michael Oren from the Jerusalem-based Shalem Centre told CBS News that Israel would not wait for a new US administration. ?The Israelis have been assured by the Bush administration that the Bush administration will not allow Iran to nuclearise. The Israelis are uncertain about what would be the policies of the next administration vis-?-vis Iran,? he said.

Within the Israeli establishment, an attack on Iran is openly discussed. In a comment on Tuesday, provocatively entitled ?...but someone has to do it?, the right-wing Jerusalem Post pointed out that the not-so-secret Israeli ?dress rehearsal? over the Mediterranean was aimed to pressuring ?the world??-particularly the US?into taking on the task. After discounting the possibility that Bush or either of the US presidential contenders would authorise a US attack on Iran, the article bitterly concluded that in the event that Israel had no partners in such an enterprise, at least the ?Jews can lean on themselves?.

A second article in the Jerusalem Post the following day attacked a New York Times editorial that had argued against attacking Iran, not because of its criminal character, but because the consequences would be ?disastrous?. The Jerusalem Post writer argued that there was little doubt that Iran would respond to a direct attack, or a blockade, ?but its options, heated rhetoric notwithstanding, are actually limited?. Tacitly acknowledging that Iran posed no real threat to either Israel or the US, he commented: ?Instead of unwarranted, self-deterring risk aversion, let us not forget who wields the incalculably greater ?stick?: Iran certainly will not.?

Israel has been intensifying its propaganda against Iran. According to Ha?aretz, Foreign Ministry Director General Aaron Abramovich secretly visited IAEA headquarters in Vienna on Wednesday to demand that the body ?act more quickly and efficiently to block Iranian nuclear ambitions?. Abramovich, the first senior Israeli official in several years to visit the IAEA, reportedly briefed a group of ambassadors on Israel?s belief that Iran has a secret military nuclear program.

Israeli officials are claiming that the purpose of Syria?s alleged nuclear reactor was to supply its ally Iran with plutonium for a nuclear weapon. An adviser to Israel?s national security council told the Guardian this week: ?The Iranians were involved in the Syrian program. The idea was that the Syrians produce plutonium and the Iranians get their share.? Given that it is yet to be demonstrated that Syria was even building a nuclear reactor, the Iranian connection, for which no evidence has been offered, has been concocted to add further fuel to the scare campaign. IAEA inspectors this week visited the site of the bombed building in Syria and said it would be some time before any conclusions could be reached.

Admiral Mullen?s visit this week makes clear that far from being left to its own devices, Israel enjoys collaborations with the highest levels of the US military. Moreover, discussion about a possible attack on Iran is taking place within the American political establishment and is not confined to the Bush administration or its extreme right-wing allies.

A statement released this month by the Presidential Task Force on the Future of US-Israeli Relations convened by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy focussed almost exclusively on the issue of preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Its key recommendation called on the US president to initiate a dialogue with the Israeli prime minister using ?the most trusted advisers? to consider ?the costs and benefits? of ?the entire range of policy? including diplomacy, ?coercive options? including an embargo of Iranian oil, and ?preventative military action?.

Ha?aretz noted this week with some satisfaction that the task force included prominent Democrats such as Susan Rice and Tony Lake, who are among Senator Barack Obama?s senior foreign policy advisers, as well as representatives from the camp of Senator John McCain, the Republican candidate. While it indicated that the statement was of course suitably nuanced, the article bluntly characterised the underlying message as follows: ?If you want it in a journalistic headline format: Obama, McCain advisers agree: US-Israel should discuss preventative military action against Iran.?

Former US ambassador to the UN John Bolton, who openly advocates attacking Iran, suggested last week that Israel would most likely launch a strike after the US elections in November and prior to the inauguration of the next US president. However, an article in the Jerusalem Post on Thursday made clear that tactical considerations might dictate a far earlier date. It noted that Tehran is believed to have purchased the sophisticated Russian-made S-300 air defence missile system, which the Israeli military has warned ?cannot be allowed to reach the region?.

After reviewing the implications of Bolton?s remarks, the article concluded: ?There is no guarantee, however, that Israel can wait that long.?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/iran-j28.shtml

 

[gardenweasel]

why not give europe another 10 years to talk iran down off the ledge?......

anybody think that once iran gets nukes the world doesn`t change drastically?.....

that they`ll have the trump card in issues pertaining to the straits of hormuz?

that enemies of the iranians(the rich saudis for instance)won`t be eager to follow suit and obtain their own nuclear weapons?....

that they`ll have the wherewithal to use proxies to try and hit us here and abroad with a more devastating attack..... exponentially worse than anything seen before....


tapir...why are you such a jew hater?....they`re a democratic society...they don`t treat women like dogs..they don`t stone them.....they don`t gibbet homo`s......they hold "real" elections...

they are a prosperous,thriving society/economy on just a sliver of land surrounded by hostile 7th century reprobates on all sides....on a sand dune...one of the few that doesn`t hold any oil....

is it a personal problem or are you just choosing to suspend rational thought?...

 

[gardenweasel]

http://revver.com/video/131287/danny-bonaduce-meets-mark-dice/

thank you danny bonaduce....

(anybody notice that this a-hole dice was calling himself "john conner"?).....

lol

 

[Spytheweb]

With the US and Israel talking about bombing your country what would you do? If the US would stop trying to run everybody's else's country, and work on running their own, taking care of their citizens instead of trying to make a buck overseas.

Cut Israel loose, Israel is a anchor around the US's neck that will drag them to the bottom.

 

[Tapir Caper]

tapir...why.

Why do you side with America's enemies, pee-wee? You're disloyal to your own people.

You're a traitor, gardenweasel.

Why do you celebrate Israel's murder of American citizen Rachel Corrie and the dozens of sailors aboard the Liberty? What is wrong with you? How did your head get so warped you side with people who murder our fellow citizens?

When are you going to stop appeasing, apologizing for, and shilling for our enemies, you ball-free, no-character, Fox-parroting twink?

 

[Tapir Caper]

gardenweasel mojo:

get OFF, pee-wee

 

[gardenweasel]

Why do you side with America's enemies, pee-wee? You're disloyal to your own people.

You're a traitor, gardenweasel.

Why do you celebrate Israel's murder of American citizen Rachel Corrie and the dozens of sailors aboard the Liberty? What is wrong with you? How did your head get so warped you side with people who murder our fellow citizens?

When are you going to stop appeasing, apologizing for, and shilling for our enemies, you ball-free, no-character, Fox-parroting twink?

right...why side with the jews when you can hitch your wagon to monsters that manipulate child and retarded suicide bombers to kill innocents...

ahh,beautiful islam as these radicals practice it...a religion of peace, as long as all other religions are quashed and it's followers completely subjugated....

women treated like dogs...non-entities..

a day after i posted this picture in the other thread,i regretted it...i`ve never seen a more subjugated,beaten down looking human being in my life...

but,imo,the point needed to be made...

rachel corrie?...she was a useful idiot but at least she had had guts.....she put her money where her mouth was...

unfortunately she was dumber than a bag of hammers....most people jump out of the way of bulldozers...they aren`t particularly fast,ya know?.....

murder our fellow citizens?....like the joos did on 9/11?...

it seriously boggles my mind how someone could choose to be SO willfully blind in the face of evil that is so very good at making itself known publicly......

you`re a a little, pathetic bigot/islamopologist......

speaking of rachel corrie...i`d wager she still has more functioning brain cells than you do,tapir....

:grins: