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History Will Judge
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- For the last 150 years, most American war presidents -- most notably Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt -- have entered (or re-entered) office knowing war was looming. Not so George Bush. Not so the war on terror. The 9/11 attacks literally came out of the blue.

Indeed, the three presidential campaigns between the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11 were the most devoid of foreign policy debate of any in the 20th century. The commander-in-chief question that dominates our campaigns today was almost nowhere in evidence during our '90s holiday from history.

When I asked President Bush during an interview Monday to reflect on this oddity, he cast himself back to early 2001, recalling what he expected his presidency would be about: education reform, tax cuts and military transformation from a Cold War structure to a more mobile force adapted to smaller-scale 21st-century conflict.

But a wartime president he became. And that is how history will both remember and judge him.

Getting a jump on history, many books have already judged him. The latest by Bob Woodward describes the commander in chief as unusually aloof and detached. A more favorably inclined biographer might have called it equanimity.

In the hour I spent with the president (devoted mostly to foreign policy), that equanimity was everywhere in evidence -- not the resignation of a man in the twilight of his presidency but a sense of calm and confidence in eventual historical vindication.

It is precisely that quality that allowed him to order the surge in Iraq in the face of intense opposition from the political establishment (of both parties), the foreign policy establishment (led by the feckless Iraq Study Group), the military establishment (as chronicled by Woodward) and public opinion itself. The surge then effected the most dramatic change in the fortunes of an American war since the summer of 1864.

That kind of resolve requires internal fortitude. Some have argued that too much reliance on this internal compass is what got us into Iraq in the first place. But Bush was hardly alone in that decision. He had a majority of public opinion, the commentariat and Congress with him. In addition, history has not yet rendered its verdict on the Iraq War. We can say that it turned out to be longer and more costly than expected, surely. But the question remains as to whether the now-likely outcome -- transforming a virulently aggressive enemy state in the heart of the Middle East into a strategic ally in the war on terror -- was worth it. I suspect the ultimate answer will be far more favorable than it is today.

When I asked the president about his one unambiguous achievement, keeping us safe for seven years -- about 6 1/2 years longer than anybody thought possible at the time of 9/11 -- he was quick to credit both the soldiers keeping the enemy at bay abroad and the posse of law enforcement and intelligence officials hardening our defenses at home.

But he alluded also to some of the measures he had undertaken, including "listening in on the enemy" and "asking hardened killers about their plans." The CIA has already told us that interrogation of high-value terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed yielded more valuable intelligence than any other source. In talking about these measures, the president mentioned neither this testimony as to their efficacy nor the campaign of vilification against him that these measures occasioned. More equanimity still.

What the president did note with some pride, however, is that beyond preventing a second attack, he is bequeathing to his successor the kinds of powers and institutions the next president will need to prevent further attack and successfully prosecute the long war. And indeed, he does leave behind a Department of Homeland Security, reorganized intelligence services with newly developed capacities to share information, and a revised FISA regime that grants broader and modernized wiretapping authority.

In this respect, Bush is much like Truman, who developed the sinews of war for a new era (the Department of Defense, the CIA, the NSA), expanded the powers of the presidency, established a new doctrine for active intervention abroad, and ultimately engaged in a war (Korea) -- also absent an attack on the U.S. -- that proved highly unpopular.

So unpopular that Truman left office disparaged and highly out of favor. History has revised that verdict. I have little doubt that Bush will be the subject of a similar reconsideration.
 

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The surge then effected the most dramatic change in the fortunes of an American war since the summer of 1864.



the now-likely outcome -- transforming a virulently aggressive enemy state in the heart of the Middle East into a strategic ally in the war on terror

Ummmm. ok.
 

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. History has revised that verdict. I have little doubt that Bush will be the subject of a similar reconsideration.[/QUOTE]
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a national disgrace.

your kidding right

Bush popularity at 14% with the American people.

how do you get that low unless you suck now, will suck in the future, and you will look back on as a Bush sucker.

nice article DTB:rolleyes:
 

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When the leader you support is confronted with overwhelming opposition to his policies and unfavorable public opinion, trot out the old ?History will vindicate my guy? argument. Why not? This is just one man?s prediction and predictions can?t be proven true or false in the here and now. It?s a common and rather transparent strategy used when public opinion has overwhelmingly turned against those you support.
 

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When the leader you support is confronted with overwhelming opposition to his policies and unfavorable public opinion, trot out the old ?History will vindicate my guy? argument. Why not? This is just one man?s prediction and predictions can?t be proven true or false in the here and now. It?s a common and rather transparent strategy used when public opinion has overwhelmingly turned against those you support.
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Fickly

I just said the same damn thing.

what is it with yu dude
 

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Fickly

I just said the same damn thing.

what is it with yu dude

So what's up with your "I'm taking a position, so I own it and no one else can share it" thing?

Don't get it Scotty. :shrug:
 

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. History has revised that verdict. I have little doubt that Bush will be the subject of a similar reconsideration.
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Bush popularity at 14% with the American people.

how do you get that low unless you suck now, will suck in the future, and you will look back on as a Bush sucker.

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i am not defending bush because there are things that he did that i don't like....but you can't judge what a pres. has accomplished until about 20 years down the road...harry truman is a good example of that....& no i am not comparing bush to truman...but we have to see how his policies played out over time...
 

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Bush popularity at 14% with the American people.

how do you get that low unless you suck now, will suck in the future, and you will look back on as a Bush sucker.

i am not defending bush because there are things that he did that i don't like....but you can't judge what a pres. has accomplished until about 20 years down the road...harry truman is a good example of that....& no i am not comparing bush to truman...but we have to see how his policies played out over time...[/QUOTE]

But there are lots of facts you can look at now that will not be overturned by time or perspective. The propaganda and lies trying to tie Saddam to 9-11 were disgraceful. WMD baloney continued long after it was clear that he had none. Started a major war and never paid for it during his presidency. Did nothing to reduce the use of oil while we were fighting a war with one of top oil producers in the world. Completely disregarded the constitution in his execution of the "war on terror". He is terrible and Iraq turning out well would not overturn that at all.
 

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14% is the recent low approval rating for Congrerss. Bush has never polled that low anywhere.

Truman still holds the record for lowest, at 22% (in Gallup poll rankings). One of the highest thruout term in office was Pres. Harding.

Which just shows how correlating contemporary approval ratings sometimes has little to do with history's decision decades later..

The American Research Group poll earlier this year found Bush at 19%, the lowest ever for a president since WWII. (they now poll him at 30%).

But most researchers use the Gallup poll, as that well regarded organization has done these in a consistent manner since WWII, thus resulting in the cleanest data for year-to-year comparisons. Bush's lowest Gallup rating was 25% or so.
 

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i am not defending bush because there are things that he did that i don't like....but you can't judge what a pres. has accomplished until about 20 years down the road...harry truman is a good example of that....& no i am not comparing bush to truman...but we have to see how his policies played out over time...

But there are lots of facts you can look at now that will not be overturned by time or perspective. The propaganda and lies trying to tie Saddam to 9-11 were disgraceful. WMD baloney continued long after it was clear that he had none. Started a major war and never paid for it during his presidency. Did nothing to reduce the use of oil while we were fighting a war with one of top oil producers in the world. Completely disregarded the constitution in his execution of the "war on terror". He is terrible and Iraq turning out well would not overturn that at all.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to comment on what you said and clicked the wrong shit I guess !
 
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Roger: I agree with what you just said if you don't mind me thinking along the same wave lenghts.
 
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So what's up with your "I'm taking a position, so I own it and no one else can share it" thing?

Don't get it Scotty. :shrug:
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your a communist saying what I am saying

and I dont like communists :SIB
 

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He would have a better chance now and in future of a higher rating. If he would have did what we needed to do in Afhgan. But Had not used false info to go into Iraq. And his education and tax policy would have been fairer. And forsure kept his V P Chenney in check. The handling of Katrina a failure.
 

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Yea fkin right:mj07: :rolleyes:

While we slept,Bush and the neo-cons had stolen the election in 2000,help orchestrate 9/11,with war plans on the table to invade Iraq,with this being said,we have a dip-shit named krauthammer " which wants his own tv show on FOX," will tell you this crock of shit that the WAR was a big surprise.
The war was going to take place no matter what. To say Bush looks and acts stupid is one thing, but he's the worst we ever had and the biggest SOB in the world.
Correction: Cheney may be the biggest.How many times has DR DEATH been in control of NORAD since 9/11 playing war games.This shit stinks to high heaven.
 
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interesting "opinions" on that topic

Lets proceed to liberals/media claim worse economy since depression.

Lets see administration started off
-in recession with dot com bust
-followed by collapse some of our largest corps Enron-World.com
-followed by greatest man made disaster 911
--followed by dual wars fought
simultaneosly
--followed by greatest natural disaster -Katrina
--followed by $140 oil
--followed by collapse of banking system

And we still have employment-inflation-interest rates all within better than ave #'s

Despite what you hear from O/liberal media we haven't been in recession in fact last 2 quarters had 1 and 3 % growth respectively.

Market doom and gloom?
Dow up 40 points past month-18% past 5 years.
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All this could turn either direction within days-weeks or months--but considering the turmoil in past 8 years above--how we stand on economy as of today--is something short of miracle--
 

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Dow up 18 % last 6 years. That leaves you broke from inflation.
The rest of list. Well most happen because of his. Spend but give tax breaks to the higer ups and it will trickel down.
Some of those thing that you list it's true they happen. Take Katrina. It's not that it happen it's poor way it was handled.
 
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