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Woodson

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Saint...

you're a nice enough guy... quit being sensitive. Jack is pretty neutral and those great guys you are referring to are still around this place...

Don't cry like a bitch to the site owner. It's embarrassing... youre almost 30.



And Pug, thanks for the blogs... reading em now...
 

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sorry for upsetting the good old boys club here at MJs. You've been successful at driving away the fringes here jack. Pretty much all that's left is you and everyone that agrees with you, and maybe a few others. So much for having a diverse group here. i guess it doesn't matter because as long as the degenrates show up and get you your page views, life is grand. it's too bad things weren't as fun as they were back when we first joined. I may not be mr. popular but have you ever thought about why you've lost some wonderful people over the years.

Looks like someone is going to take their toothbrush and go home.

When you get close to your retirement age and your retirement portfolio crashes, see how well you take to a 20-something kid preaching about his investment knowledge (from reading one book). Some of these guys just want to hear people out, they don't need your "expertise" jumping in and pissing on everyone's parade.
 

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calm down and hold on to your investments, like I said before the worst thing you can do is panic
 

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I "want" to believe, "Things won't ever be as bad as they were 'in the old days".

The thing is, at this point.......they are worse! So, WHY COULDN'T they get far worse?


People say the loss is only on paper, but honestly.....If I moved my money into a safe haven two months ago, I would have 20% more in my retirement right now!

This is going to be serious pain for a ton of people.

And those same people are bailing out corporations, while they themselves have to figure out where THEIR future is headed.

I'm waiting on the reports of suicides that will be coming in the next few months as this slide worsens...................
 

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People say the loss is only on paper, but honestly.....If I moved my money into a safe haven 10 DAYS ago, I would have 20% more in my retirement right now!

i fixed your post. at least it's more accurate in my case!
 

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European and Asian markets are and were selling off this am. Looks like we're in for another rough day.
I don't know where the end is. Just wait until people start getting laid off because no one has any money to buy anything. My retirement was tied to my house. :sadwave: Oh well.:shrug: As long as the CEO's are ok.
 

vinnie

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now down 55% :sadwave: the glass is less than half empty for sure :mj07:
 

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now down 55% :sadwave: the glass is less than half empty for sure :mj07:


i figured my losses this morning and it's down 39% from my last contribution in April. sickening!
 

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I don't know where the end is. Just wait until people start getting laid off because no one has any money to buy anything. My retirement was tied to my house. :sadwave: Oh well.:shrug: As long as the CEO's are ok.

:s5:


Keep crying about CEO's Stevie

cuz they all are members at MJ's and read your posts
 

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now down 55% :sadwave: the glass is less than half empty for sure :mj07:

Could it be that when it was full it was actually overflowing. Maybe it's still almost full.:shrug: No way to gauge this thing.
 

vinnie

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Could it be that when it was full it was actually overflowing. Maybe it's still almost full.:shrug: No way to gauge this thing.

yep I'm still ahead of the game for sure :00hour but it's like once u get the books money u don't want to lose it back :shrug:
 

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Are you defending them? If so please tell us how they are worth the money.:0corn


If anybody is interested, this show had a fairly unbias take on this situation. Maybe you and the other forum prune eater that lives his entire boring existence in the poly forum here (djv) can drop the 95 cents for the download and take a listen.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1263

I know when times are tough the weak of character really help and whine away while looking under every rock for a conspiracy theory. You should be in all your glory right about now.
 

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If anybody is interested, this show had a fairly unbias take on this situation. Maybe you and the other forum prune eater that lives his entire boring existence in the poly forum here (djv) can drop the 95 cents for the download and take a listen.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1263

I know when times are tough the weak of character really help and whine away while looking under every rock for a conspiracy theory. You should be in all your glory right about now.

Looks like someone had a rough day - lose another employee?

kurby
 

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Looks like someone had a rough day - lose another employee?

kurby

(believe it or not)

Actually, was gonna throw an out of work friend some work until he called me Wednesday telling me a job came through for him. He was going to be good. I had some ideas with him in the program but it'll all be for not.

Day was fine but my week is down a bit volume-wise. That's more to do with the mild weather than anything else.
 

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Maybe if you guys are down more than 35%, your money may have been in the worst spots to begin with. :shrug:

Traders: 'We're in the 100-year flood'

'YOU WANT SAFETY' | Cash is king as CBOE 'fear index' surges

October 10, 2008

BY DAVID ROEDER droeder@suntimes.com


The Chicago futures markets, where some traders eat fear for breakfast, has become a place of helpless uncertainty.

They've seen bear markets and even short-term credit crises before, but nothing like this. To them, the financial system has a confidence crisis and there's no telling when it will end.


Prominent futures traders and brokerage executives reached Thursday didn't utter the standard advice about sticking with stocks through thick and thin. They said safety of cash is paramount.

Patrick Arbor, former chairman of the Chicago Board of Trade, said he's keeping money in short-term U.S. Treasury debt. "You want safety. You want comfort. The banks are probably secure" and investors should consider their certificates of deposit, but only in sound institutions, he said.

"Don't chase yield," Arbor said. Recall that over the last few months, the banks that paid the highest CD rates included Washington Mutual Inc., rescued by JPMorgan Chase & Co., and Chicago-based Corus Bank, staggering under losses from condominium loans.

The head of a trading firm here was frustrated by his own confusion. "The conventional wisdom is to ride these things out," he said. "The conventional wisdom doesn't work. We're in the 100-year flood."

He said he sought out advice from traders he respects, and "they don't have any better idea than you or I."

Anxiety spread across the La Salle Street financial community as the markets, late in a losing but drab session, nosedived in the last hour of trading. It left the Dow Jones industrial average with a decline of 678 points, the third-worst point drop ever, while sending the benchmark index below 9,000 for the first time in six years.

Stocks have fallen for seven consecutive sessions. The Dow is now off 21 percent in the four weeks since the Lehman Brothers Inc. bankruptcy and 35 percent for the year.

The losses and cash movements have caused sharp increases in futures volatility, including in such widely followed Chicago markets as commodities and interest rates. CME Group Inc., owner of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and the Board of Trade, raised its margin requirements for trading Eurodollar futures by up to 50 percent.

Mike Manning, president of Rand Financial Services Inc., said he's been working with customers to adjust their strategies. "Most of them are scaling back their trading because the markets have just gotten too frantic. I think that's a good decision and I believe they will come back," he said.

At the Chicago Board Options Exchange, participants noted that its popular volatility index, known as the VIX and often called Wall Street's version of a fear factor, stood at a record 63.92. The VIX uses options trading to measure expected volatility in the Standard & Poor's 500 index.

Thursday's falloff occurred with volume somewhat lighter than usual because of Yom Kippur. But it continued a pattern of steep late-in-the-day declines, which some experts believe comes mostly from selling by individual sellers and mutual fund managers. The old saw is that large trading firms -- those that are left -- dominate morning trades.
 

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by the way... shit like this is why the market is so bad.

Everybody gain some confidence and stop freaking out.
at this point i've accepted the losses to my retirement acct, i just have to hope it gets back in 9 years and it should.

on the positive side, i just sent a check today to ameritrade and i'm looking forward to some bottom feeding, like everybody else that has any cash left.

i think it will recover nicely but i don't think we hit bottom yet. i think monday and tuesday are going to be horrible.

jmo
 
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