Refinancing

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
50
Our house is currently on a 30 year fixed mortgage where we put 20% down. Currently, we have about 33% equity since the latest depreciation in home values (not overly drastic in Nashville/our neighborhood). We bought very well, so we have been fortunate.

We are going through a refinancing right now to a 15 year ARM at 5% for the 15 years. Current rate on 30 year fixed is 6.875%.

Key points:
-pay off current loan
-pay closing costs
-collect approximately $2500 in cash
-skip a month of payments (standard procedure)
-reduce our monthly nut by a little more than $200
 

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
72
Boston
Our house is currently on a 30 year fixed mortgage where we put 20% down. Currently, we have about 33% equity since the latest depreciation in home values (not overly drastic in Nashville/our neighborhood). We bought very well, so we have been fortunate.

We are going through a refinancing right now to a 15 year ARM at 5% for the 15 years. Current rate on 30 year fixed is 6.875%.

Key points:
-pay off current loan
-pay closing costs
-collect approximately $2500 in cash
-skip a month of payments (standard procedure)
-reduce our monthly nut by a little more than $200

When can you get out of the ARM. No telling where the rate may go.
 

SixFive

bonswa
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2001
18,743
245
63
54
BG, KY, USA
The ARM is fixed at 5% for 15 years. No pre-payment penalties if we sell or refinance again down the road.

if it's fixed, then how is it an ARM? :shrug:

I'll do this too if it's not going to adjust.

add... I'm really interested in this, J. Please provide all the details you can including lender. I'm all over a 15 year 'fixed' ARM at 5%. Thanks.
 
Last edited:

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
72
Boston
if it's fixed, then how is it an ARM? :shrug:

I'll do this too if it's not going to adjust.

add... I'm really interested in this, J. Please provide all the details you can including lender. I'm all over a 15 year 'fixed' ARM at 5%. Thanks.

Yes, I am confused too. A 15 year fixed ARM at 5? Count me in too.
 

MadJack

Administrator
Staff member
Forum Admin
Super Moderators
Channel Owner
Jul 13, 1999
105,248
1,636
113
70
home
never heard of a 15 year arm. wow.

no brainer.

there must be a catch.
 

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
50
https://www.acuonline.org/home/home

This is the credit union that it is through. I am not a member of it. A friend of mine works for them in Atlanta.

Most ARMs are fixed for the first number in them. Like a 5/1 ARM is fixed for 5 years then it adjusts. This is a 15/1 ARM. I had not heard of them until very recently. I never considered refinancing until my business partner did this about 6 months ago and told me about it.
 

SixFive

bonswa
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2001
18,743
245
63
54
BG, KY, USA
http://www.acuonline.org/home/rates.rates_mortgage

I got to this link, and I see the 5%, but it looks like a 15 year trad. Nevertheless, that's a terrific rate. Too bad they don't do mortgages in Kentucky it appears! :mad:

add... I can't find a 15/1 ARM anywhere else. :shrug: I still don't see the catch in this or why the rate would be so much better.

Who is it that does mortgages on here?? I've emailed back and forth, now I can't for the life of me remember who it was. :mad: Maybe somebody who lives in Louisiana??? :confused:
 
Last edited:

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
50
I wish I had better info to provide. When he originally quoted it was at 5.25%. The day that I called to get the process rolling was the day (about 3-4 weeks ago) that the rates were cut again and this package went down to 5%.

I know he mentioned that this is a product that they don't sell off. Maybe that is the reason???
 

SixFive

bonswa
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2001
18,743
245
63
54
BG, KY, USA
bump: Any more info on this, dawgball?? I've not found anything close, and no 15 year ARMS at all. Thanks. I think about this a lot, and I'd love to get the same deal. No-brainer for everybody with a mortgage in this forum if we could. :shrug:
 

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
50
bump: Any more info on this, dawgball?? I've not found anything close, and no 15 year ARMS at all. Thanks. I think about this a lot, and I'd love to get the same deal. No-brainer for everybody with a mortgage in this forum if we could. :shrug:

WEIRD! I had plans to update this thread today.

Once the rates dropped again, the guy said the 5% was available on a straight 30 yr fixed. We just switched all of it on Monday and approved yesterday awaiting appraisal.

With this change, I was able to wrap all of our credit card debt (fecking idiot - and had some surprise medical bills :( ) into the mortgage; skip February's payment; no points paid; collect approximately $500 at closing; and reduce our monthly payment by approximately $200 down to $1475ish.

I think you can actually get lower than 5% with yesterday's changes, but the paperwork is already done and we are happy with the outcome.

I believe 4.875% is available at some shops and if you consider paying a point or so, you can get it even lower. Sometimes paying points makes a whole lot of sense if you know you are going to be there a long time.
 

vinnie

la vita ? buona
Forum Member
Sep 11, 2000
59,163
212
0
Here
With this change, I was able to wrap all of our credit card debt (fecking idiot - and had some surprise medical bills :( ) into the mortgage;

you have money to invest & no money to pay off credit cards :shrug:
 

Terryray

Say Parlay
Forum Member
Dec 6, 2001
9,615
1,615
113
Kansas City area for who knows how long....
Obama may offer you 4.5% next year!

Obama may offer you 4.5% next year!

Obama Team Interest Encourages Treasury
Mortgage Plan (Update1)

By Robert Schmidt and Craig Torres

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama?s economic team is expressing interest in a U.S. Treasury plan to spur homebuying through new securities aimed at driving down mortgage rates.

Incoming White House economic chief Lawrence Summers is seeking details of the proposal from Columbia Business School Dean Glenn Hubbard, who put together the plan?s foundation with Columbia?s Christopher Mayer. Mayer has briefed Federal Reserve Bank of New York staff. Timothy Geithner, head of the New York Fed, is Obama?s Treasury-secretary designate.

Obama?s encouragement is important for the program to proceed because the Treasury doesn?t want to start projects that could be abandoned after January, a Bush administration official said. The proposal, now on a fast track at the Treasury, would be the most comprehensive government effort yet to stimulate the housing market. It would accelerate the decline in mortgage rates already sparked by a Fed commitment to buy $600 billion of debt linked to home loans.

?This proposal is all about putting out the fire,? said Mayer, real-estate professor at Columbia in New York who is a visiting scholar at the New York Fed. ?There is nothing else on the table that even has the possibility of preventing a large, further decline in house prices.?

4.5% Goal

The program Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and his aides are considering would use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the federally chartered mortgage financers seized by the government in September, to reduce 30-year fixed home-loan rates to around 4.5 percent, from an average of about 5.54 percent currently.

Fannie and Freddie, already the biggest sources of funding for U.S. housing, would buy mortgages at the lower rate from lenders. The government would then purchase securities issued by Fannie and Freddie that were backed by the loans.

Transition spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said ?we?re looking at a range of options targeted at foreclosure relief in the housing area.? Obama takes office Jan. 20.

While Paulson?s team is only exploring an initiative for new purchases, the incoming administration wants to go beyond that and address the record surge of foreclosures. Some industry lobbyists have urged the inclusion of refinancing for existing homeowners, up to one-fifth of whose loans are bigger than the value of their properties, estimates show.

?We?ve got to start helping homeowners in a serious way, prevent foreclosures,? Obama said in a Dec. 3 press conference in Chicago. ?The deteriorating assets in the financial markets are rooted in the deterioration of people being able to pay their mortgages and stay in their homes.?

BlackRock Lobbying

BlackRock Inc. Chief Executive Officer Laurence Fink said yesterday he?s proposing to Obama that the Treasury buy new mortgages issued by Fannie and Freddie, with rates ranging from 4 percent to 4.5 percent. New York-based Blackrock was among the companies seeking to manage assets under a previous Paulson plan to purchase toxic debt, mainly linked to mortgages, under the $700 billion financial-bailout fund.

The Treasury?s new plan would be outside that fund, known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program. The department has authority to buy mortgage-backed securities, and the Fed last month pledged to purchase as much as $600 billion of debt issued or backed by government-chartered housing-finance companies.

Some analysts said that expanding the Paulson proposal to include refinancing existing mortgages would be too great a cost for the aid it would offer the housing market.

Community Activists

?It?s a much more efficient use of the government?s balance sheet to do this as a purchase program? only, said Nicholas Strand, a mortgage analyst at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. He estimated the cost of a plan to buy 4.5 percent loans for new purchases at about $300 to $400 billion. Adding the refinance option could cost up to $3 trillion, he said.

Community activists argue that the government must step up aid for Americans at risk of losing their homes to halt the cycle of defaults and depreciating property values.

House prices nationwide began falling in the third quarter of 2006, and have continued dropping since, according to figures from S&P/Case-Shiller. Through September 2008, values were down 21 percent from the peak. One in 10 U.S. home loans was past-due on payment or in foreclosure in the third quarter, Mortgage Bankers Association figures show.

Those numbers could worsen as joblessness climbs. The unemployment rate may reach 8.2 percent next year, from 6.7 percent in November, a monthly Bloomberg News survey of economists shows.

House Prices

?The problem I?m having is, so what,? said John Taylor, president of the National Community Reinvestment Coalition in Washington. ?In other words, what does this have to do with the foreclosure crisis??

Mayer, who used to work at the Boston Fed, countered that ?there is no evidence whatsoever that reducing foreclosures will help house prices.? Mayer and Hubbard say that if the government was able to lower mortgage rates by 1 percentage point it would raise housing demand by about 10 to 17 percent, ?blunting? projected declines in property values.

Other government proposals have aimed at adjusting current mortgages to head off foreclosures. Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair has pushed to use TARP funds for such a modification plan.

?Policy makers are coming around to the idea that these modification proposals aren?t going to have much of an effect on home prices,? said Andrew Laperriere, managing director at International Strategy & Investment Group in Washington. ?So then, you look at the demand side.?

To contact the reporters on this story: Robert Schmidt in Washington at rschmidt5@bloomberg.net; Craig Torres in Washington at ctorres3@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: December 12, 2008 10:43 EST
 

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
50
you have money to invest & no money to pay off credit cards :shrug:

Make note of the "fecking idiot" charge. Made some poor decisions, so we were paying them off. This refinance just allowed for quicker/easier ending.

It was all about being liquid capital available when the medical bills hit. Before the refinance came around, I was going to sell off some of the investment account to pay it off after the first of the year.

Along Vinnie's question: if you have credit card debt, GET RID OF IT. Stop spending money on anything but absolute essentials. Eat at home every meal until it's gone. You will be poor your entire life if you have credit card debt. And it's not the government's fault. Change your lifestyle.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top