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Don't know which surprised me most in the
Real Clear Politics-most read articles section--
-the fact in was on Iraq War
-or written by Boston Globe
--or reported by ABC

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Bush's 'Folly' is Ending in Victory
- Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe

'MARKETS without bombs. Hummers without guns. Ice cream after dark. Busy streets without fear." So began Terry McCarthy's report from Iraq for ABC's World News Sunday on March 15, one of a series the network aired last week as the war in Iraq reached its sixth anniversary.



A nationwide poll of Iraqis reveals that "60 percent expect things to get better next year - almost three times as many as a year and a half ago," McCarthy continued. "Iraqis are slowly discovering they have a future. We flew south to Basra, where 94 percent say their lives are going well. Oil is plentiful here. So is money."
In another report two nights later, ABC's correspondent characterized the Iraqi capital as "a city reborn: speed, light, style - this is Baghdad today. Where car bombs have given way to car racing. Where a once-looted museum has been restored and reopened. And where young women who were forced to cover their heads can again wear the clothes that they like."
One such young woman is dental student Hiba al-Jassin, who fled Baghdad's horrific violence two years ago, but found the city transformed when she returned last fall. "I'm just optimistic," she told McCarthy. "I think we are on the right path."
ABC wasn't alone in conveying the latest glad tidings from Iraq.
"Iraq combat deaths at 6-year low," USA Today reported on its front page last Wednesday. The story noted that in the first two months of 2009, 15 US soldiers were killed in action - one-fourth the number killed in the same period a year ago, and one-tenth the 2007 toll. The reduction in deaths reflects the reduction in violence, which has plummeted by 90 percent since former President Bush ordered General David Petraeus to implement a new counterinsurgency strategy - the "surge" - in early 2007. Even in northern Iraq, where al-Qaeda is still active, attacks are down by 70 percent.
In the wake of improved security have come political reconciliation and compromise. Iraq's democratic government continues to mature, with ethnic and religious loyalties beginning to yield to broader political concerns.
The <ORG idsrc="NYSE" value="WPO">Washington Post</ORG> reports that the country's foremost Shiite politician, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, has formed an alliance with Saleh al-Mutlak, an outspoken Sunni leader. It is a development that suggests "the emergence of a new axis of power in Iraq centered on a strong central government and nationalism" - a dramatic change from the sectarian passions that fueled so much bloody agony in 2006 and 2007. In the recent provincial elections, writes the Post's Anthony Shadid, Maliki's party won major gains, with the prime minister "forgoing the slogans of his Islamist past for a platform of law and order." Despite his erstwhile reputation as a Shiite hard-liner, Maliki now echoes Mutlak's call for burying the hatchet with supporters of Saddam Hussein's overwhelmingly Sunni Baath Party.
Those elections were yet another blow to the conviction that constitutional democracy and Arab culture are incompatible. For the 440 seats to be filled, more than 14,000 candidates and some 400 political parties contended - a level of democratic competition that leaves American elections in the dust. A Jeffersonian republic of yeoman smallholders Iraq will never be. But over the past six years it has been transformed from one of the most brutal tyrannies on earth to an example of democratic pluralism in the heart of the Arab world.
For a long time the foes of both the Iraq war and the president who launched it insisted that none of this was possible - that the war was lost, that there was no military solution to the sectarian slaughter, that the surge would only make the violence worse. Victory was not an option, the critics declared; the only option was to partition Iraq and get out. Time and again it was said that the war would forever be remembered as Bush's folly, if not indeed as the worst foreign policy mistake in US history.
Even now, with a stubbornness born of partisan hostility or political ideology, there are those who cannot bring themselves to utter the words "victory" and "Iraq" in the same sentence. But six years after the war began, it is ending in victory. As in every war, the price of that victory was higher than we would have wished. The price of defeat would have been far higher
 

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We're a trillion dollars poorer. Iraqis lost at least a million fathers brothers mothers sisters daughters sons. Iraq is not a whit stabler than it was before we invaded and smashed its infrastructure. Some victory.
 

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We're a trillion dollars poorer. Iraqis lost at least a million fathers brothers mothers sisters daughters sons. Iraq is not a whit stabler than it was before we invaded and smashed its infrastructure. Some victory.

Saddam Hussein funnels a nuclear bomb to Al qaeda and they hit New York is the other scenario if you do nothing:shrug: The war was a good thing we had some lives lost, but that is the risk you take for going into the military. some innocent victims in Iraq which hates USA, I would say war won and a hell of a lot safer without Saddam Hussein in power. :box2:
 

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Saddam Hussein funnels a nuclear bomb to Al qaeda and they hit New York is the other scenario if you do nothing:shrug: The war was a good thing we had some lives lost, but that is the risk you take for going into the military. some innocent victims in Iraq which hates USA, I would say war won and a hell of a lot safer without Saddam Hussein in power. :box2:

Son, let me explain something to you. Your heart is in the right place. You're a good man, and you have the right instincts.

You are also the dupe of shills.

The people who truly threaten you and yours and ours are not the Muslims but the Jews. They are the ones feeding the sources you listen to with lies that you soak up like a waffle syrup. They have bankrupted our country and gotten thousands of our sons killed abroad. They'll do it again in Iran if we let them.
 

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War Won and it only took a little over 7 years to do it. :142smilie :142smilie What an underestimation by the Bush regime. That being said, I hope the Iraqi people understand the sacrifices the soldiers made to try and make them a free country and they take advantage. Make better lives for themselves.
 

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"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- Dick Cheney on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005


Rumsfeld on the War.

"The idea that it's going to be a long, long, long battle of some kind I think is belied by the fact of what happened in 1990," he said on an Infinity Radio call-in program.

He said the U.S. military is stronger than it was during the Persian Gulf War, while Iraq's armed forces are weaker.

"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that," he said. "It won't be a World War III."


Some Victory. StevieD Madjacks.com
 

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Son, let me explain something to you. Your heart is in the right place. You're a good man, and you have the right instincts.

You are also the dupe of shills.

The people who truly threaten you and yours and ours are not the Muslims but the Jews. They are the ones feeding the sources you listen to with lies that you soak up like a waffle syrup. They have bankrupted our country and gotten thousands of our sons killed abroad. They'll do it again in Iran if we let them.

Fortunately, Hedgehog isn't smart enough to grasp your theories.
 

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I'd be interested to hear more about those theories....
 

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Took 10 hours to find out guy was right when he said- -

"Even now, with a stubbornness born of partisan hostility or political ideology, there are those who cannot bring themselves to utter the words "victory" and "Iraq" in the same sentence"

I must assume some think that it was only war we lost lives in or spent money-or that defeat or surrender would be better option?

--Hmm must not be any money being spent on afgan/iraq now and no lives lost?

--and lets see Obama said Afgan is much harder to win than Iraq--and he wanted to surrender in Iraq because we couldn't win he is going to win in afgan--DUH

--and surge wouldn't work then--but now he promotes it in afgan DUH DUH

What was that about shills :)
 

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Thru out history it,s true Afghan is hard to deal with. I would say the Russian and Brits both would say much harder then Iraq. And our generals say that now.
 

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Took 10 hours to find out guy was right when he said- -

"Even now, with a stubbornness born of partisan hostility or political ideology, there are those who cannot bring themselves to utter the words "victory" and "Iraq" in the same sentence"

I must assume some think that it was only war we lost lives in or spent money-or that defeat or surrender would be better option?

--Hmm must not be any money being spent on afgan/iraq now and no lives lost?

--and lets see Obama said Afgan is much harder to win than Iraq--and he wanted to surrender in Iraq because we couldn't win he is going to win in afgan--DUH

--and surge wouldn't work then--but now he promotes it in afgan DUH DUH

What was that about shills :)

He didn't start either one of those. Your own boy Rummy said Iraq would be done in 5 months tops. That means even he didn't think it was worth more than that.
 

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He didn't start either one of those. Your own boy Rummy said Iraq would be done in 5 months tops. That means even he didn't think it was worth more than that.
The point of who started them is not what I'm trying to bring to light.

My point is while GW was in office is forum was barraged daily with liberals on body counts-cost etc on war. While conservatives for most part stood behind efforts on both wars.

Since O took office there has not been one post dissing anything about the wars--which he basically copied GW's exit plan on Iraq and has escalated war in Afgan. So you all did 360 not because anything changed but because of political affiliations. Conservatives that supported the war have not done 360 but continue on same stance they had prior out of principals not politicics--don't believe you'll find one conservative post dissing O on war efforts.

--thought this poll on military.com might be of interest also--with 35,000 signing petition so far.

94% are against Murtha receiving Navy's public service award--
<TABLE width=350 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
3398CC.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>94% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
CD3301.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>3% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.

article
Murtha Award Sparks Vet Outrage
http://www.military.com/news/article/March-2009/murtha-award-sparks-vet-outrage.html
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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The point of who started them is not what I'm trying to bring to light.

I am sure you would like to duck that fact.

My point is while GW was in office is forum was barraged daily with liberals on body counts-cost etc on war. While conservatives for most part stood behind efforts on both wars.

Obama has issued an exit plan for Iraq. Too slow for me. On Afghan I have not heard any Conservatives support his plan. I do not.

Since O took office there has not been one post dissing anything about the wars--which he basically copied GW's exit plan on Iraq and has escalated war in Afgan. So you all did 360 not because anything changed but because of political affiliations. Conservatives that supported the war have not done 360 but continue on same stance they had prior out of principals not politicics--don't believe you'll find one conservative post dissing O on war efforts.

No we did not do 360. No one who was against Iraq is for it that I know of.Maybe you can point one out?

--thought this poll on military.com might be of interest also--with 35,000 signing petition so far.

94% are against Murtha receiving Navy's public service award--
<TABLE width=350 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
3398CC.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>94% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
CD3301.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>3% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.

article
Murtha Award Sparks Vet Outrage
http://www.military.com/news/article/March-2009/murtha-award-sparks-vet-outrage.html
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Another Swift Boat.
 

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The point of who started them is not what I'm trying to bring to light.

My point is while GW was in office is forum was barraged daily with liberals on body counts-cost etc on war. While conservatives for most part stood behind efforts on both wars.

Since O took office there has not been one post dissing anything about the wars--which he basically copied GW's exit plan on Iraq and has escalated war in Afgan. So you all did 360 not because anything changed but because of political affiliations. Conservatives that supported the war have not done 360 but continue on same stance they had prior out of principals not politicics--don't believe you'll find one conservative post dissing O on war efforts.

--thought this poll on military.com might be of interest also--with 35,000 signing petition so far.

94% are against Murtha receiving Navy's public service award--
<TABLE width=350 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
3398CC.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>94% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
CD3301.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>3% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.

article
Murtha Award Sparks Vet Outrage
http://www.military.com/news/article/March-2009/murtha-award-sparks-vet-outrage.html
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

DTB telling it like it is and the LIBERALS are Silent.

:toast:
 

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The people who truly threaten you and yours and ours are not the Muslims but the Jews. They are the ones feeding the sources you listen to with lies that you soak up like a waffle syrup. They have bankrupted our country and gotten thousands of our sons killed abroad. They'll do it again in Iran if we let them.[/QUOTE]


Mahmoud, is that you?
 

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The point of who started them is not what I'm trying to bring to light.

My point is while GW was in office is forum was barraged daily with liberals on body counts-cost etc on war. While conservatives for most part stood behind efforts on both wars.

Since O took office there has not been one post dissing anything about the wars--which he basically copied GW's exit plan on Iraq and has escalated war in Afgan. So you all did 360 not because anything changed but because of political affiliations. Conservatives that supported the war have not done 360 but continue on same stance they had prior out of principals not politicics--don't believe you'll find one conservative post dissing O on war efforts.

--thought this poll on military.com might be of interest also--with 35,000 signing petition so far.

94% are against Murtha receiving Navy's public service award--
<TABLE width=350 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Should the Navy Reconsider Murtha's Distinguished Public Service Award?
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Yes. Murtha accused Marines of 'cold blooded' murder and war crimes -- accusations that have been proven false. He does not deserve the Navy's highest civilian award.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
3398CC.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>94% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>No. He served honorably as a Marine, and in his 30-plus years in Congress Murtha has always championed the budget requirements of the Sea Services.</TD><TD width=79></TD></TR><TR><TD>
CD3301.gif
</TD><TD class=masq align=right>3% </TD></TR><TR><TD class=masa width=265>Maybe. The Navy should disclose why it gave Murtha the award and address the concerns of veterans' groups who are offended by the move.

article
Murtha Award Sparks Vet Outrage
http://www.military.com/news/article/March-2009/murtha-award-sparks-vet-outrage.html
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I imagine there hasn't been much 'dissing' of the war because now there's a pretty clear timeframe for our withdrawal. Like you mention, it's basically the same timeframe that which Bush signed an agreement with Iraq. Let's remember who 'cut and ran' if/when all hell breaks loose once we leave.

Hey, speaking of silence, I guess all it took was a Republican to set a timetable to shut everyone up who was whining about how the democrats wanted to 'cut and run.'

Also, I can't remember one post from anybody who 'dissed' the action taken in Afghanistan, so why would people start now? At some point(relatively soon) that occupation has to end, but I guess he's going to treat it with a little importance than W and see what happens.

And what possible relevance to anything does Murtha getting some award have?
 

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The people who truly threaten you and yours and ours are not the Muslims but the Jews. They are the ones feeding the sources you listen to with lies that you soak up like a waffle syrup. They have bankrupted our country and gotten thousands of our sons killed abroad. They'll do it again in Iran if we let them.


Mahmoud, is that you?[/QUOTE]
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are you coming in here dissing the hebrews

Nelson is that you ?
 

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The point of who started them is not what I'm trying to bring to light.

My point is while GW was in office is forum was barraged daily with liberals on body counts-cost etc on war. While conservatives for most part stood behind efforts on both wars.
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I dont remember daily body counts.

I never did that.

war is hell.

Obama is smart enough to get us out of there .

I think the war in Afghanistan will go much better also.

At least Obama is talking about a exit plan for both countrys.

George W and Dick C didnt want no exit plan. They just wanted to line their fawking wallets.
 
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