I would give him a big fat F:sadwave:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/14/grade-president-obama/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/14/grade-president-obama/
President report card
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You just have to love the results on these polls. Just shows what kind of morons we have running around in this country. At least this is only about 10% of the population. I don't know how DTB has the nerve to post any poll from Fox News.
the poll does not even give you a choice of an F 
he is the worst President our country has seen in our history
he is the worst President our country has seen in our history
22 million missing Bush White House e-mails found
ShareThisPrint E-mail By PETE YOST
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON ? Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush and the Obama administration is searching for dozens more days' worth of potentially lost e-mail from the Bush years, according to two groups that filed suit over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.
Enlarge photo FILE - In this Jan. 12, 2009 file photo, President George W. Bush speaks during a news conference in the pressroom at the White House in Washington. Two nonprofit groups, the National Security Archive and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said Monday Dec. 14, 2009 that computer technicians have found 22 million White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)
The two private groups ? Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive ? said Monday they were settling the lawsuits they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.
It will be years before the public sees any of the recovered e-mails because they will now go through the National Archives' process for releasing presidential and agency records. Presidential records of the Bush administration won't be available until 2014 at the earliest.
The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a controversy surrounding the failure by the Bush White House to install a properly working electronic record keeping system.
The two private organizations say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.
Meredith Fuchs, general counsel to the National Security Archive, said "many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records and had a legal obligation to preserve their records.":scared
"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved.":scared
Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."
The two groups say the 22 million White House e-mails were previously mislabeled and effectively lost.
The government now can find and search 22 million more e-mails than it could in late 2005 and the settlement means that the Obama administration will restore 94 calendar days of e-mail from backup tape, said Kristen Lejnieks, an attorney representing the National Security Archive.
Sheila Shadmand, another lawyer representing the National Security Archive, said the Obama administration is making a strong effort to clean up "the electronic data mess left behind by the prior administration."
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it just goes on and on
and you have the nerve to say O is the worst
:142smilie
ShareThisPrint E-mail By PETE YOST
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON ? Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush and the Obama administration is searching for dozens more days' worth of potentially lost e-mail from the Bush years, according to two groups that filed suit over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.
Enlarge photo FILE - In this Jan. 12, 2009 file photo, President George W. Bush speaks during a news conference in the pressroom at the White House in Washington. Two nonprofit groups, the National Security Archive and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said Monday Dec. 14, 2009 that computer technicians have found 22 million White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)
The two private groups ? Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive ? said Monday they were settling the lawsuits they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.
It will be years before the public sees any of the recovered e-mails because they will now go through the National Archives' process for releasing presidential and agency records. Presidential records of the Bush administration won't be available until 2014 at the earliest.
The tally of missing e-mails, the additional searches and the settlement are the latest development in a controversy surrounding the failure by the Bush White House to install a properly working electronic record keeping system.
The two private organizations say there is not yet a final count on the extent of missing White House e-mail and there may never be a complete tally.
Meredith Fuchs, general counsel to the National Security Archive, said "many poor choices were made during the Bush administration and there was little concern about the availability of e-mail records despite the fact that they were contending with regular subpoenas for records and had a legal obligation to preserve their records.":scared
"We may never discover the full story of what happened here," said Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director. "It seems like they just didn't want the e-mails preserved.":scared
Sloan said the latest count of misplaced e-mails "gives us confirmation that the Bush administration lied when they said no e-mails were missing."
The two groups say the 22 million White House e-mails were previously mislabeled and effectively lost.
The government now can find and search 22 million more e-mails than it could in late 2005 and the settlement means that the Obama administration will restore 94 calendar days of e-mail from backup tape, said Kristen Lejnieks, an attorney representing the National Security Archive.
Sheila Shadmand, another lawyer representing the National Security Archive, said the Obama administration is making a strong effort to clean up "the electronic data mess left behind by the prior administration."
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it just goes on and on
and you have the nerve to say O is the worst
:142smilie
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You don't have to view Fox--you just need to get outside that 1% or maybe 12% in your case
from UK
Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html
or how about these #'s
Gumby's grade inflation
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/14/grade-inflation/
President Obama's job approval rating has fallen to 47 percent in the latest Gallup poll, the lowest ever recorded for any president at this point in his term
When Gallup began taking presidential approval polls 71 years ago, Franklin Roosevelt had been president for more than five years. During his remaining time in office, his job approval rating never fell below 48 percent.
The next 11 presidents, both Democrats and Republicans, all had higher job approval ratings than Obama at this stage of their tenure. Their ratings were:
-- George W. Bush, 86 percent
-- Bill Clinton, 52 percent
-- George H.W. Bush, 71 percent
-- Ronald Reagan, 49 percent
-- Jimmy Carter, 57 percent
-- Gerald Ford, 52 percent
-- Richard Nixon, 59 percent
-- Lyndon Johnson, 74 percent
-- John Kennedy, 77 percent
-- Dwight Eisenhower, 69 percent
-- Harry Truman, 49 percent
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Now we can look at above #s and come to conclusion that majority of folks--are not too happy with job he's done
Then we have you and rest of Da Base--seeing your icons Oprah and Gumby--debating whether he should get B+ or A and its--
To each their own
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All I see is Jim Carey and a bunch of Republicans in the background. About the right age bracket I would say. :mj07:
I know I won't change your mind after your mentors the ("double-ought") O & Oprah messiahs have spoken but let me throw in poll from another source CNN
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/15/how-the-public-graded-obama/
December 15th, 2009
How the Public Graded The Grifter
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An interesting follow up to the "good, solid B plus" grade our President gave himself for his first year in office. As it turns out, back in August as part of its special coverage of Obama's "Second Hundred Days", CNN asked its viewers to give the Obama administration grades on a number of issues.
Here is how the American public graded the Obama administration:
Handling of the Economy = C-
Handling of Health Care = D
Handling of Foreign Affairs = C
As for the grade the public gave President Obama himself? C-.
Not exactly the kind of report card kids like to bring home to their parents.
For the record, President Obama's job approval rating in early August after his second hundred days was 54% and his disapproval rating was 40%.
Four months later with a job approval rating of only 48% and a disapproval rating of 45%, it's awfully hard to imagine the public thinks President Obama deserves a higher grade than they gave him in August.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and I doubt it improves as you him pushing to make history despite overwhelming objection from population-
"Just look at the RealClearPolitics average of polls, which shows that Americans oppose the national health care bills currently on the table by a margin of 53 percent to 38 percent."
He and Gore pushing the global scam--
--and appears we know can see what stance on illegals will be--which will make them eligible for healthcare funded by the tax payor
Democrat introduces SEIU-backed illegal alien amnesty bill
--of course if your Da Base or Dems/unions looking to increase their voting base--its
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/15/how-the-public-graded-obama/
December 15th, 2009
How the Public Graded The Grifter
Posted by Tom Bevan | Email This | Permalink | Email Author
An interesting follow up to the "good, solid B plus" grade our President gave himself for his first year in office. As it turns out, back in August as part of its special coverage of Obama's "Second Hundred Days", CNN asked its viewers to give the Obama administration grades on a number of issues.
Here is how the American public graded the Obama administration:
Handling of the Economy = C-
Handling of Health Care = D
Handling of Foreign Affairs = C
As for the grade the public gave President Obama himself? C-.
Not exactly the kind of report card kids like to bring home to their parents.
For the record, President Obama's job approval rating in early August after his second hundred days was 54% and his disapproval rating was 40%.
Four months later with a job approval rating of only 48% and a disapproval rating of 45%, it's awfully hard to imagine the public thinks President Obama deserves a higher grade than they gave him in August.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and I doubt it improves as you him pushing to make history despite overwhelming objection from population-
"Just look at the RealClearPolitics average of polls, which shows that Americans oppose the national health care bills currently on the table by a margin of 53 percent to 38 percent."
He and Gore pushing the global scam--
--and appears we know can see what stance on illegals will be--which will make them eligible for healthcare funded by the tax payor
Democrat introduces SEIU-backed illegal alien amnesty bill
--of course if your Da Base or Dems/unions looking to increase their voting base--its
Rove grading the groveling grifter
Grifts-cons-and outright lies
By KARL ROVE
Barack Obama has won a place in history with the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year: 49% approve and 46% disapprove of his job performance in the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll.
There are many factors that explain it, including weakness abroad, an unprecedented spending binge at home, and making a perfectly awful health-care plan his signature domestic initiative. But something else is happening.
Mr. Obama has not governed as the centrist, deficit-fighting, bipartisan consensus builder he promised to be. And his promise to embody a new kind of politics?free of finger-pointing, pettiness and spin?was a mirage. He has cheapened his office with needless attacks on his predecessor.
Consider Mr. Obama's comment in his interview this past Sunday on CBS's "60 Minutes" that the Bush administration made a mistake in speaking in "a triumphant sense about war."
This was a slap at every president who rallied the nation in dark moments, including Franklin D. Roosevelt ("With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph"); Woodrow Wilson ("Right is more precious than peace and we shall fight for the things which we have always carried nearest our hearts"); and John F. Kennedy ("Any hostile move anywhere in the world against the safety and freedom of peoples to whom we are committed . . . will be met by whatever action is needed").
This kind of attack gives Mr. Obama's words a slippery quality. For example, he voted for the bank rescue plan in September 2008 and praised it during the campaign. Yet on Dec. 8 at the Brookings Institution, Mr. Obama called it "flawed" and blamed "the last administration" for launching it "hastily."
Really? Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and New York Fed President Timothy Geithner designed it. If it was "flawed," why did Mr. Obama later nominate Mr. Bernanke to a second term as Fed chairman and make Mr. Geithner his Treasury secretary? :nono:
Mr. Obama also claimed at Brookings that he prevented "a second Great Depression" by confronting the financial crisis "largely without the help" of Republicans. Yet his own Treasury secretary suggests otherwise. In a Dec. 9 letter, Mr. Geithner admitted that since taking office, the Obama administration had "committed about $7 billion to banks, much of which went to small institutions." That compares to $240 billion the Bush administration lent banks. Does Mr. Obama really believe his additional $7 billion forestalled "the potential collapse of our financial system"?
Mr. Obama continued distorting the record in his "60 Minutes" interview Sunday when he blamed bankers for the financial crisis. They "caused the problem," he insisted before complaining, "I haven't seen a lot of shame on their part" and pledging to put "a regulatory system in place that prevents them from putting us in this kind of pickle again."
But as a freshman senator, Mr. Obama supported a threatened 2005 filibuster of a bill regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He doesn't show "a lot of shame" that he and other Fannie and Freddie defenders blocked "a regulatory system" that might have kept America from getting in such a bad pickle in the first place. :nono:
The president's rhetorical tricks don't end there. Mr. Obama also claimed his $787 billion stimulus package "helped us [stem] the panic and get the economy growing again." But 1.5 million more people are unemployed than he said there would be if nothing were done. :nono: :nono: :nono:
And as of yesterday, only $244 billion of the stimulus had been spent. Why was $787 billion needed when less than a third of that figure supposedly got the job done?
Mr. Obama also alleged on "60 Minutes" that health-care reform "will actually bring down the deficit" (which people clearly know it will not). He said his reform reduces "costs and premiums for American families and businesses" (though they will be higher than they would otherwise be). And he claimed 30 million more people will get coverage through "an exchange that allows individuals and small businesses" to purchase insurance (though 15 million of them are covered by being dumped into Medicaid and don't get private insurance). :nono:
Mr. Obama may actually believe it when he says, "I think that's a pretty darned good outcome" and congratulates himself that he could succeed where "seven presidents have tried . . . [and] seven presidents have failed."
But voters seem to have a different definition of success. And they are tiring of the president's blame shifting and distortions.
Mr. Obama may believe, as he told Oprah Winfrey in a recent interview, that he deserves a "solid B+" for his first year in office, but the American people beg to differ. A presidency that started with so much promise is receiving unprecedentedly low grades from the country that elected him. He's earned them. :0corn
Grifts-cons-and outright lies
By KARL ROVE
Barack Obama has won a place in history with the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year: 49% approve and 46% disapprove of his job performance in the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll.
There are many factors that explain it, including weakness abroad, an unprecedented spending binge at home, and making a perfectly awful health-care plan his signature domestic initiative. But something else is happening.
Mr. Obama has not governed as the centrist, deficit-fighting, bipartisan consensus builder he promised to be. And his promise to embody a new kind of politics?free of finger-pointing, pettiness and spin?was a mirage. He has cheapened his office with needless attacks on his predecessor.
Consider Mr. Obama's comment in his interview this past Sunday on CBS's "60 Minutes" that the Bush administration made a mistake in speaking in "a triumphant sense about war."
This was a slap at every president who rallied the nation in dark moments, including Franklin D. Roosevelt ("With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph"); Woodrow Wilson ("Right is more precious than peace and we shall fight for the things which we have always carried nearest our hearts"); and John F. Kennedy ("Any hostile move anywhere in the world against the safety and freedom of peoples to whom we are committed . . . will be met by whatever action is needed").
This kind of attack gives Mr. Obama's words a slippery quality. For example, he voted for the bank rescue plan in September 2008 and praised it during the campaign. Yet on Dec. 8 at the Brookings Institution, Mr. Obama called it "flawed" and blamed "the last administration" for launching it "hastily."
Really? Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and New York Fed President Timothy Geithner designed it. If it was "flawed," why did Mr. Obama later nominate Mr. Bernanke to a second term as Fed chairman and make Mr. Geithner his Treasury secretary? :nono:
Mr. Obama also claimed at Brookings that he prevented "a second Great Depression" by confronting the financial crisis "largely without the help" of Republicans. Yet his own Treasury secretary suggests otherwise. In a Dec. 9 letter, Mr. Geithner admitted that since taking office, the Obama administration had "committed about $7 billion to banks, much of which went to small institutions." That compares to $240 billion the Bush administration lent banks. Does Mr. Obama really believe his additional $7 billion forestalled "the potential collapse of our financial system"?
Mr. Obama continued distorting the record in his "60 Minutes" interview Sunday when he blamed bankers for the financial crisis. They "caused the problem," he insisted before complaining, "I haven't seen a lot of shame on their part" and pledging to put "a regulatory system in place that prevents them from putting us in this kind of pickle again."
But as a freshman senator, Mr. Obama supported a threatened 2005 filibuster of a bill regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He doesn't show "a lot of shame" that he and other Fannie and Freddie defenders blocked "a regulatory system" that might have kept America from getting in such a bad pickle in the first place. :nono:
The president's rhetorical tricks don't end there. Mr. Obama also claimed his $787 billion stimulus package "helped us [stem] the panic and get the economy growing again." But 1.5 million more people are unemployed than he said there would be if nothing were done. :nono: :nono: :nono:
And as of yesterday, only $244 billion of the stimulus had been spent. Why was $787 billion needed when less than a third of that figure supposedly got the job done?
Mr. Obama also alleged on "60 Minutes" that health-care reform "will actually bring down the deficit" (which people clearly know it will not). He said his reform reduces "costs and premiums for American families and businesses" (though they will be higher than they would otherwise be). And he claimed 30 million more people will get coverage through "an exchange that allows individuals and small businesses" to purchase insurance (though 15 million of them are covered by being dumped into Medicaid and don't get private insurance). :nono:
Mr. Obama may actually believe it when he says, "I think that's a pretty darned good outcome" and congratulates himself that he could succeed where "seven presidents have tried . . . [and] seven presidents have failed."
But voters seem to have a different definition of success. And they are tiring of the president's blame shifting and distortions.
Mr. Obama may believe, as he told Oprah Winfrey in a recent interview, that he deserves a "solid B+" for his first year in office, but the American people beg to differ. A presidency that started with so much promise is receiving unprecedentedly low grades from the country that elected him. He's earned them. :0corn
Really Karl Rove?
Really?
Rove is so unbelievably full of shit its amazing that you believe anything that he says.
Really?
Rove is so unbelievably full of shit its amazing that you believe anything that he says.
this is hilarious and if you can not see the hypocrisy in it then you are blind to the facts. From day one all that rove and cheney have done is attacked Obama. Thats right they attacked a president during war time, appalling when other people do it, but fine when they do it.
And how exactly did Bush rally us after 9/11, thats right he lied lied and lied again. He turned the whole worlds reaching out to us and being on our side and squandered that into the whole world hating us for his actions and illegal unconstitutional acts.
Obama's comments about the Bush era are 1/1000th of the attacks that rove and cheney have had on obama. And again I guess you are fine with it because obama is a dem.
And all the little smilies and popcorn you add does not change the fact that the whole article is the biggest piece of shit I have ever read.
--and which point presented by Rove was incorrect? elaborate please--if not will take as an affirmative from you that - the tag groveling grifter is legit!
--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric :0corn
--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric :0corn
Wasn't President Reagan's approval rating the same as President Obama's after one year?
Kind of starts us off on a mis-truth
"Barack Obama has won a place in history with the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year" - Karl Rove
Not to mention the fact that worst of ANY president really only applies to the 8 that have served since the beginning of approval rating polls.
Jesus H Christ - That's just the first fucking line
DTB - I know you're frustrated as shit with the current administration and there are quite a few things that we ALL should be frustrated with.
but
you wake up at 5am - read politically biased information and it provides fuel for the fire that burns within
That can't be healthy
My recommendation would be to take a little time off - enjoy the holidays and focus on happier/healthier things in life
We all will have plenty of things to bitch about in 2010
Kind of starts us off on a mis-truth
"Barack Obama has won a place in history with the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year" - Karl Rove
Not to mention the fact that worst of ANY president really only applies to the 8 that have served since the beginning of approval rating polls.
Jesus H Christ - That's just the first fucking line
DTB - I know you're frustrated as shit with the current administration and there are quite a few things that we ALL should be frustrated with.
but
you wake up at 5am - read politically biased information and it provides fuel for the fire that burns within
That can't be healthy
My recommendation would be to take a little time off - enjoy the holidays and focus on happier/healthier things in life
We all will have plenty of things to bitch about in 2010
I see more rhetoric--
I'll pose same question to you that Shawnkurby away from--
and which point presented by Rove was incorrect? elaborate please--if not will take as an affirmative from you that - the tag groveling grifter is legit!
--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric
You have problem that is impossible to overcome--you can trump fact with opinion--unless its in discussions between yourselves
We report--you decide:SIB
oops forgot--on your comment of waking up at @5 and reading political publications--
I get in office @ about 3:45 and read political and financial reports till about 6:30
Personally I find that much more productive than rolling in from the bars at about that time and sleeping rest of day--but thats just me
I'll pose same question to you that Shawnkurby away from--
and which point presented by Rove was incorrect? elaborate please--if not will take as an affirmative from you that - the tag groveling grifter is legit!
--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric
You have problem that is impossible to overcome--you can trump fact with opinion--unless its in discussions between yourselves
We report--you decide:SIB
oops forgot--on your comment of waking up at @5 and reading political publications--
I get in office @ about 3:45 and read political and financial reports till about 6:30
Personally I find that much more productive than rolling in from the bars at about that time and sleeping rest of day--but thats just me
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I get in office @ about 3:45 and read political and financial reports till about 6:30
Personally I find that much more productive than rolling in from the bars at about that time and sleeping rest of day--but thats just me
dude , find a new hobby
that one makes you crazy
oh i forgot , you already are :142smilie
I see more rhetoric--
I'll pose same question to you that Shawnkurby away from--
and which point presented by Rove was incorrect? elaborate please--if not will take as an affirmative from you that - the tag groveling grifter is legit!
--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric
You have problem that is impossible to overcome--you can trump fact with opinion--unless its in discussions between yourselves
We report--you decide:SIB
oops forgot--on your comment of waking up at @5 and reading political publications--
I get in office @ about 3:45 and read political and financial reports till about 6:30
Personally I find that much more productive than rolling in from the bars at about that time and sleeping rest of day--but thats just me
You're (your for the other guys that like using it) pulling the prove Rove wrong on a handful of statements or if not then Obama is what DTB says he is.
What is your purpose for this? To change my mind. Or is it some kind of "I'm so fucking smart that I can post someone else's take on a situation and if the people on this board can't come up with a counter argument I (DTB) must be right"
You want me to take on Rove? With his professional political background and campaign skills he's probably out of my league. You're not.
But casting aside the chumptatude (see douchebaggery) of your silly question I'll take a shot.
bank rescue plan - flawed - blamed the last administrationfor launching it hastily
Paulson - Bernanke -Geithner designed it.
Obama nominated Bernanke - Fed chairman
Geithner - Treasury secretary
In the real world every plan that is created does not always pan out as expected. So Obama looked back at the progress of the bank bail out and called it flawed. (You disagree?) I'll tell you one thing that was flawed was your and my money being given to those banks so they could pay bonuses to employees. That's pretty fucking flawed in my book Kemo Sabe.
Now the next point says that if they (Bernanke and Geithner) helped design a flawed plan why would you offer them a work desk in Washington. They swung and missed. I don't think they intentionally came up with a bad plan on purpose and were probably attempting to save the financial institutions that you and I bank at. So far that has come true but there were flaws in the way that the plan was designed. (Curious who you would rather have as the Fed Chair and Treasury Secretary?)
Mr. Obama also claimed at Brookings that he prevented "a second Great Depression" by confronting the financial crisis "largely without the help" of Republicans.
That, down where I live, is what we call a Gawd Damn Lie
Rove pieced together bits and pieces of the speech to come up with his sentence above. Obama no where stated that he prevented a second Great Depression.
That's not rhetoric, that's a gawd damn fact
Here's the quote - 2nd great depression
"The fear among economists across the political spectrum that was -- was that we were rapidly plummeting towards a second Great Depression."
Here's the other quote - republicans didn't help
"And we were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party, which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that had led to the crisis, decided to hand it over to others to solve."
Blaming the past administration when Obama said he wouldn't - 1 point DTB
Finding out that Karl Rove used his Fox News "Journalistic" skills to piece together that big fat fucking lie - 1 point Joshnaudi
Does Mr. Obama really believe his additional $7 billion forestalled "the potential collapse of our financial system"?
the quote
Now, partly as a result of these and other steps, we are in a very different place today than we were one year ago. We may forget, but we're in a very different place. We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we've avoided the depression many feared. Our economy is growing for the first time in a year, and the swing from contraction to expansion since the beginning of the year is the largest in nearly three decades.
That's not even fucking close DTB - Not even close. You didn't read or listen to Obama's speech did you?
Mr. Obama continued distorting the record in his "60 Minutes" interview Sunday when he blamed bankers for the financial crisis. They "caused the problem," he insisted before complaining, "I haven't seen a lot of shame on their part" and pledging to put "a regulatory system in place that prevents them from putting us in this kind of pickle again."
But as a freshman senator, Mr. Obama supported a threatened 2005 filibuster of a bill regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He doesn't show "a lot of shame" that he and other Fannie and Freddie defenders blocked "a regulatory system" that might have kept America from getting in such a bad pickle in the first place.
He supported a threatened 2005 filibuster that was in fact - not filibustered. To the best of my recollection that financial reform was eliminating banks to buy secondary mortgages from other banks. I can damn near give you this point because the end result would have been smaller banks would have been stuck with bad credit and failed instead of selling to bigger Fannie/Freddie banks and the financial collapse would have occured sooner.
Fact - The Republicans had a chance to push for financial reform and failed
prove me wrong or bush has 3 nipples
I'm done with this and on to the personal stuff - you get all of the other Rove points. I truely believe that Rove is probably correct on the health care costs.
For the rest of the folks that want to read Obama's speech - here's the link
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._speech_at_the_brookings_institute_99458.html
"--ain't it a bitch when you got to deal with facts-vs rhetoric "
you're real fucking cocky with that statement and yes, it was a bitch. I had to go find the facts that were so eloquently left out of Rove's article
"You have problem that is impossible to overcome--you can trump fact with opinion--unless its in discussions between yourselves "
I have no fucking clue what this means. No Fucking Clue. I tried. I thought maybe you left out a word or some letters but I still can't figure out what the fuck you are trying to say here. This sentence is harder to figure out than a Sedoku puzzle
please elaborate
"We report--you decide"
still feeling cocky
"oops forgot--on your comment of waking up at @5 and reading political publications--
I get in office @ about 3:45 and read political and financial reports till about 6:30"
I was serious as a heart attack about what I said. I think that you get really worked up over this administration and I was sincerely offering advice on taking a few weeks off from politics because the frustration that you are feeling can't be healthy. If you reread what I wrote I think you'll see that I wasn't being a prick.
"Personally I find that much more productive than rolling in from the bars at about that time and sleeping rest of day--but thats just me "
Obviously this is some type of swipe at me. Nice holier than thou statement Smoky. I don't mind your racial jabs in your posts and don't give a fuck, check that, a flying fuck with what you do in your free time. Hell, you posting a spyware/scam site on here is about the only thing that has really pissed me off. I definitely don't give a shit if you think your better than me and if that's something you need to post to help you feel better then please continue to do so. I'll shoulder the storm for you brother.
Have a Merry Christmas
So we got one that you say was a lie--the rest it appears your using the he mispoke or the billy bass flop-defense
Rove pieced together bits and pieces of the speech to come up with his sentence above. Obama no where stated that he prevented a second Great Depression.
--and the rest you agree to correct?
Speech in full @ Brookings institute which Rove spoke of-
http://www.brookings.edu/events/2009/1208_jobs_obama.aspx
paragrapph of reference
----Our Gross Domestic Product ? the sum total of all that our economy produces ? fell at the fastest rate in a quarter century. $5 trillion of Americans? household wealth evaporated in just twelve weeks as stocks, pensions, and home values plummeted. We were losing an average of 700,000 jobs each month, equivalent to the population of the state of Vermont. The fear among economists across the political spectrum was that we were rapidly plummeting toward a second Great Depression.
So, in the weeks and months that followed, we undertook a series of difficult steps to prevent that outcome. And we were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that led to the crisis, decided to hand it over to others to solve.---
Partly as a result of these and other steps, we?re in a very different place today than we were a year ago. We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we?ve avoided the depression many feared:0corn
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--and while on the topic appears he lied about that also--
Obama?s Brookings Bull # 2 - A Great Depression 12/8/9 OBAMA: The fear among economists across the political spectrum was that we were rapidly plummeting toward a second Great Depression?We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we?ve avoided the depression many feared. FACTS: That is not the case. The only ?economist? on some political spectrum that used the D-word was Joe Biden! From ABC News (See Scandal # 758)News? Karen Travers: ?In recent weeks, Vice President Joe Biden has said that the U.S. economy has been in what he calls ?a great recession? and has stressed that it is not a depression, echoing the general consensus of the nation?s economists. But today the vice president took some liberty with the economic terms to illustrate the continuing struggles of the unemployed in the United States. For the millions of Americans without a job, ?it?s a depression,? Biden said. ?My grandpop used to say ? there was a suburb of Scranton called Minooka. He said, ?When the guy in Minooka?s out of work, it?s an economic slowdown. When your brother- in-law?s out of work, it?s a recession. When you?re out of work, it?s a depression,?? Biden said. ?Well, it?s a depression ? it?s a depression for millions of Americans, through no fault of their own,? he said.
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Rove pieced together bits and pieces of the speech to come up with his sentence above. Obama no where stated that he prevented a second Great Depression.
--and the rest you agree to correct?
Speech in full @ Brookings institute which Rove spoke of-
http://www.brookings.edu/events/2009/1208_jobs_obama.aspx
paragrapph of reference
----Our Gross Domestic Product ? the sum total of all that our economy produces ? fell at the fastest rate in a quarter century. $5 trillion of Americans? household wealth evaporated in just twelve weeks as stocks, pensions, and home values plummeted. We were losing an average of 700,000 jobs each month, equivalent to the population of the state of Vermont. The fear among economists across the political spectrum was that we were rapidly plummeting toward a second Great Depression.
So, in the weeks and months that followed, we undertook a series of difficult steps to prevent that outcome. And we were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that led to the crisis, decided to hand it over to others to solve.---
Partly as a result of these and other steps, we?re in a very different place today than we were a year ago. We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we?ve avoided the depression many feared:0corn
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--and while on the topic appears he lied about that also--
Obama?s Brookings Bull # 2 - A Great Depression 12/8/9 OBAMA: The fear among economists across the political spectrum was that we were rapidly plummeting toward a second Great Depression?We can safely say that we are no longer facing the potential collapse of our financial system and we?ve avoided the depression many feared. FACTS: That is not the case. The only ?economist? on some political spectrum that used the D-word was Joe Biden! From ABC News (See Scandal # 758)News? Karen Travers: ?In recent weeks, Vice President Joe Biden has said that the U.S. economy has been in what he calls ?a great recession? and has stressed that it is not a depression, echoing the general consensus of the nation?s economists. But today the vice president took some liberty with the economic terms to illustrate the continuing struggles of the unemployed in the United States. For the millions of Americans without a job, ?it?s a depression,? Biden said. ?My grandpop used to say ? there was a suburb of Scranton called Minooka. He said, ?When the guy in Minooka?s out of work, it?s an economic slowdown. When your brother- in-law?s out of work, it?s a recession. When you?re out of work, it?s a depression,?? Biden said. ?Well, it?s a depression ? it?s a depression for millions of Americans, through no fault of their own,? he said.
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