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I'll just do without the BJ is that's part of the deal. kurby

And, yes, I've had them try but I ain't having it. :nono:

Well at least you can admit it. Most hide in the closet. Hell Marine was gonna let his wife ram a strap-on up there at one time.

In all seriousness though get it checked. Your prostate is nothing to mess with. Early symptoms of problems are if you feel the urge to pee 5 every minutes and it just dribbles out.
 

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speaking of things in the medical field,we have a case in maryland of doctors at st. joseph hospital allegedly performing unneeded heart stent procedures on patients...the motive being profit....i think they said that a stent goes for around 10 g`s...

good lord...how scary is that?...
 

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Fantastic folks hang out here so passing along what I think is important to understand about aging.

Others here who are into their 50's and beyond can expound on their thoughts and our dealings with aging.

There are a lot of folks here that are in the 25-45 year old range and it is REALLY important to understand the importance of preparing for aging.

Not only from a physical health standpoint but also with the idea of being mentally aware of what is necessary to insure a quality of life for you and all those who are near and dear to you.

It is so easy to go through life with a "everything will be ok" attitude but then one day come to the stark reality that it isn't.

You young and beautiful folks.. please take the approach of preparing not only yourselves but your spouses and children about the starks realities of aging... thus living.

Make your spouses and children understand the human frailties we all succumb to.

Explain in detail the importance of being successful in ones chosen career and the quality of life that the successful career affords.Drive home the understanding of a moral compass to follow.

Some old man dribble ..but when you are lying in an emergency room ...stuff goes through your head..

Stuff like Box's recollections of educating the young..FDC tramatic ordeal with his daughter Kristyn and her exceptional will to recover.

Financial "stuff"..the information passed along within the communication of folks here is absolutely mind boggling.The systems of how to make your money work for you and your loved ones is incredible.Don't delay in putting these ideas into practice. In the blink of an eye ones earning power is gone.Aging is expensive.

Other "stuff"..like the loss of jobs ..take these recollections from forum members and learn from them.Prepare for them.Convey these life experiences to your loved ones and learn from them yourselves.



Prepare yourselves..Prepare your spouses..and most importantly PREPARE your children..Don't let them wake up one day and say.

"I wish my mom and dad had better prepared me for living my life."
 

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Fantastic folks hang out here so passing along what I think is important to understand about aging.

Others here who are into their 50's and beyond can expound on their thoughts and our dealings with aging.

There are a lot of folks here that are in the 25-45 year old range and it is REALLY important to understand the importance of preparing for aging.

Not only from a physical health standpoint but also with the idea of being mentally aware of what is necessary to insure a quality of life for you and all those who are near and dear to you.

It is so easy to go through life with a "everything will be ok" attitude but then one day come to the stark reality that it isn't.

You young and beautiful folks.. please take the approach of preparing not only yourselves but your spouses and children about the starks realities of aging... thus living.

Make your spouses and children understand the human frailties we all succumb to.

Explain in detail the importance of being successful in ones chosen career and the quality of life that the successful career affords.Drive home the understanding of a moral compass to follow.

Some old man dribble ..but when you are lying in an emergency room ...stuff goes through your head..

Stuff like Box's recollections of educating the young..FDC tramatic ordeal with his daughter Kristyn and her exceptional will to recover.

Financial "stuff"..the information passed along within the communication of folks here is absolutely mind boggling.The systems of how to make your money work for you and your loved ones is incredible.Don't delay in putting these ideas into practice. In the blink of an eye ones earning power is gone.Aging is expensive.

Other "stuff"..like the loss of jobs ..take these recollections from forum members and learn from them.Prepare for them.Convey these life experiences to your loved ones and learn from them yourselves.



Prepare yourselves..Prepare your spouses..and most importantly PREPARE your children..Don't let them wake up one day and say.

"I wish my mom and dad had better prepared me for living my life."


great post, reality set in when I was in the emergency room few month ago for appendix removal. Thought about things I never had before. Friends tell me I am different, NAH, just a different perspective on life.
 

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Old School....glad you posted this..you are right..everyone needs to be tested..did mine last yr.
I have something wrong with me...every 7-10 days for the past two and a half months I have thrown up.I have never been sick other then having my gall bladder taken out 7 years ago. In the past 3 weeks I have had MRI,cat scan,blood work up the gazu,endoscopy and on monday a stomach release test that took 2 hours to watch the timing of my digestion...everything is fine...all negative...My doc said lets wait for the next time which happens to be today..today is the 10th day..the pattern has him baffled...I write all the foods down to see if its an allergy..wheat,glutton,etc...its not acid reflex because I never get a burning sensation or stomach problems.Its like every 10 days my stomach fills up to a point and then explodes.I get a little light headed,feel dizzy and sick to my stomach and then it "blows" like Mt Etna...

anyway hope your feeling better....everyone should heed Old school and get checked out.
 

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Battling the system: A patient's tale

A cancer patient has saved thousands of dollars by tracking his bills, pleading his case and working the phones, demonstrating how to be a smart medical consumer.

By The Wall Street Journal

James Mannett rarely thought about medical bills or insurance during 41 years of near-perfect health. Then he got cancer and became an expert.

Mannett was a fitness buff during his decades as a sales executive for General Electric and other companies. He owned a four-bedroom home in Southern California's tony Laguna Niguel, three cars and a Cessna plane that he flew for fun. After moving to Phoenix, he quit GE in early 2004 and used his savings to get into real-estate investment.

The next year, he was diagnosed with a rare, aggressive form of cancer that affected his small intestine and liver. Mannett, now 45, has so far had six surgeries and dozens of pricey lab tests and imaging scans. He's been to three hospitals and seen experts at several more. He estimates that his treatment so far has cost around $600,000, including travel and other expenses, with about $100,000 of that coming from his own pocket. Mannett, who now lives in a recreational vehicle and is supported mainly by federal disability benefits, continues to receive periodic chemotherapy to contain the cancer in his liver.

The ordeal has given Mannett an education on navigating the financial straits of being treated for a major disease. It's an experience that can provide lessons for all of us about how to defend our own interests, even when we're at our most vulnerable. The bottom line: Smart medical consumers can save money if they track their bills as closely as they monitor their health.

For instance:

When his insurer disputed some doctors' bills, Mannett got both parties together on a conference call to work out a compromise.
Fighting a claim denial
By getting acquainted with a caseworker at his insurance company, he learned how to negotiate lower fees from surgeons before an operation took place.
And by becoming friendly with financial clerks at doctors' offices, he has been able to secure discounts on some services.

Mannett has cajoled and pleaded his way to more-affordable treatment.

"Unless you go through something like this, you don't understand this stuff," says Mannett, whose computer contains dozens of his appeal and complaint letters about health care charges and coverage decisions. Before, "I just assumed that when you have insurance and you have a bill, they pay it," he says.

What he didn't notice about his insurance
After becoming self-employed in 2004, Mannett decided he needed health insurance. He chose a policy from Assurant that an agent said would cover all his expenses after he met an annual deductible of $4,950. Mannett, who had never bought his own insurance before, says he didn't notice that the plan included an additional $500 annual deductible for seeing doctors out of the insurer's network, or that its payments for such doctors would add up to only 80% of what Assurant deemed customary charges, not the actual billed amount.

In September 2005, Mannett felt a sharp pain in his abdomen. At the emergency room of St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix, a scan revealed a 5-centimeter tumor on his small intestine, and three tennis-ball-size tumors in his liver. The doctor told him he likely had only two years to live.

James Mannett has cajoled and pleaded his way to more-affordable treatment.
"It was very surreal. I couldn't believe I was hearing what I was hearing," says Mannett.

Doctors removed the tumor on his small intestine and a third of his colon. He went home a week later, accompanied by his mother and a cousin, a nurse, who had come to care for him.

Insurance company demands proof:scared

As Mannett recovered, the bills stacked up. Assurant wasn't making any payments, he says. Instead, the insurer demanded from him the names and addresses of every doctor he'd seen for the previous five years, so it could verify that he hadn't concealed his cancer when he bought the policy. The investigation dragged on for months until, according to Mannett, he called the insurer and warned that the next contact would be from his lawyer. Soon after, he says, Assurant paid the hospital more than $29,000, as well as several other bills.

Assurant said it couldn't comment on Mannett's case due to privacy concerns.

Still, Mannett spent more out of pocket than he expected. Beyond his deductible, he owed several hundred dollars to some doctors who charged more than his insurer paid. He hadn't realized that even though the hospital was in his insurer's medical-provider network, some physicians working there were not.

In a statement, St. Joseph's said, "We have been working hard to provide additional information to patients to try and make our charges (and how people pay for them) more understandable."

A move that saved thousands
Mannett spent the next few months seeking doctors' opinions about how to treat the cancer in his liver. During this time, he also became familiar with the intricacies of the medical billing system:

Before writing any checks, he double-checked calculations on his insurer's explanations of benefits.

He also learned that, before Assurant would pay for expensive medication to control his digestive problems and other symptoms, he needed to obtain letters from his doctors explaining the need for the drug and pre-authorization from the insurer.

He says he found a helpful caseworker at Assurant, whom he began consulting about coverage.

In early 2006, Mannett settled on a dramatic surgical procedure at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The surgeon would remove half of his diseased liver, hoping the organ would regenerate itself.

On the advice of the insurance caseworker, Mannett got the offices of the Cedars oncologist and surgeon, who weren't in the insurer's network, to agree in advance to accept Assurant's usual rate as their full payment. He believes the move saved him thousands of dollars.

Surprise charges roll in
But when Mannett awoke in the recovery room, he learned his liver had proved too damaged for the surgery. The incision then became infected and had to be reopened and cleaned. He went home a week later, and a nurse came regularly to dress the open wound.

Then the bills started arriving. Mannett says he was surprised to learn that his agreements with the oncologist's and surgeon's offices didn't include the cost of imaging scans and lab exams.

When his head cleared between doses of painkillers, he convened three-way conference calls among those doctors' billers and his insurer to hash out some disputed fees. He also got a few charges reduced by appealing to a friendly staffer in one of the billing offices. And he wrote letters asking for other charges to be waived because of "severe financial hardship." Mannett estimates his efforts saved him more than $10,000 on the cost of the scans and lab exams.

Cedars-Sinai said it couldn't comment about Mannett because of privacy laws. Generally, the hospital has a variety of programs to help patients in financial need, it said.

A risky procedure, a personal plea
Once his surgical wound healed, Mannett decided on a risky procedure that would pump chemotherapy drugs directly into his liver. The goal was to blast the cancer, but it risked destroying Mannett's liver or causing a heart attack from the shock. Aubrey Palestrant, an interventional radiologist in Phoenix, agreed to do the surgery, which would have to be performed more than once.

Desperate to get a treatment that he figured was his last chance to survive, Mannett chose to not raise the billing issues in advance with Palestrant, who wasn't in Assurant's network. After two rounds of treatment in 2006, Mannett was told that all of his visible tumors appeared dead or dying, though the cancer was likely to reappear. Since then, he has had two more chemo treatments, for a total of four.


Fighting a claim denial

Later in 2006, he got a bill from the radiologist's office that said he owed nearly $8,200 after insurance payments of about $1,100. Additional bills followed. A financial-hardship letter to the doctor's office didn't win a discount.

Mannett says he then called Palestrant personally to plead his case and the doctor agreed to accept the insurer's rate as his full payment, forgiving Mannett's portion. Relieved and grateful, Mannett says he choked back tears.

Palestrant didn't return calls seeking comment.
..................................................................

This can happen to any one of us at anytime. And it dont matter if you have insurance or not. You will still end up with a financial life changing experience.

Something has to be done about this shit.
 
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Old School....glad you posted this..you are right..everyone needs to be tested..did mine last yr.
I have something wrong with me...every 7-10 days for the past two and a half months I have thrown up.I have never been sick other then having my gall bladder taken out 7 years ago. In the past 3 weeks I have had MRI,cat scan,blood work up the gazu,endoscopy and on monday a stomach release test that took 2 hours to watch the timing of my digestion...everything is fine...all negative...My doc said lets wait for the next time which happens to be today..today is the 10th day..the pattern has him baffled...I write all the foods down to see if its an allergy..wheat,glutton,etc...its not acid reflex because I never get a burning sensation or stomach problems.Its like every 10 days my stomach fills up to a point and then explodes.I get a little light headed,feel dizzy and sick to my stomach and then it "blows" like Mt Etna...

anyway hope your feeling better....everyone should heed Old school and get checked out.

are you throwing up bile?....or the food you ate?....


if you`re throwing up on an empty stomach and it`s acidic liquid,it might be bile and you should have a liver profile done....
 

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Battling the system: A patient's tale

A cancer patient has saved thousands of dollars by tracking his bills, pleading his case and working the phones, demonstrating how to be a smart medical consumer.

By The Wall Street Journal

James Mannett rarely thought about medical bills or insurance during 41 years of near-perfect health. Then he got cancer and became an expert.

Mannett was a fitness buff during his decades as a sales executive for General Electric and other companies. He owned a four-bedroom home in Southern California's tony Laguna Niguel, three cars and a Cessna plane that he flew for fun. After moving to Phoenix, he quit GE in early 2004 and used his savings to get into real-estate investment.

The next year, he was diagnosed with a rare, aggressive form of cancer that affected his small intestine and liver. Mannett, now 45, has so far had six surgeries and dozens of pricey lab tests and imaging scans. He's been to three hospitals and seen experts at several more. He estimates that his treatment so far has cost around $600,000, including travel and other expenses, with about $100,000 of that coming from his own pocket. Mannett, who now lives in a recreational vehicle and is supported mainly by federal disability benefits, continues to receive periodic chemotherapy to contain the cancer in his liver.

The ordeal has given Mannett an education on navigating the financial straits of being treated for a major disease. It's an experience that can provide lessons for all of us about how to defend our own interests, even when we're at our most vulnerable. The bottom line: Smart medical consumers can save money if they track their bills as closely as they monitor their health.

For instance:

When his insurer disputed some doctors' bills, Mannett got both parties together on a conference call to work out a compromise.
Fighting a claim denial
By getting acquainted with a caseworker at his insurance company, he learned how to negotiate lower fees from surgeons before an operation took place.
And by becoming friendly with financial clerks at doctors' offices, he has been able to secure discounts on some services.

Mannett has cajoled and pleaded his way to more-affordable treatment.

"Unless you go through something like this, you don't understand this stuff," says Mannett, whose computer contains dozens of his appeal and complaint letters about health care charges and coverage decisions. Before, "I just assumed that when you have insurance and you have a bill, they pay it," he says.

What he didn't notice about his insurance
After becoming self-employed in 2004, Mannett decided he needed health insurance. He chose a policy from Assurant that an agent said would cover all his expenses after he met an annual deductible of $4,950. Mannett, who had never bought his own insurance before, says he didn't notice that the plan included an additional $500 annual deductible for seeing doctors out of the insurer's network, or that its payments for such doctors would add up to only 80% of what Assurant deemed customary charges, not the actual billed amount.

In September 2005, Mannett felt a sharp pain in his abdomen. At the emergency room of St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix, a scan revealed a 5-centimeter tumor on his small intestine, and three tennis-ball-size tumors in his liver. The doctor told him he likely had only two years to live.

James Mannett has cajoled and pleaded his way to more-affordable treatment.
"It was very surreal. I couldn't believe I was hearing what I was hearing," says Mannett.

Doctors removed the tumor on his small intestine and a third of his colon. He went home a week later, accompanied by his mother and a cousin, a nurse, who had come to care for him.

Insurance company demands proof:scared

As Mannett recovered, the bills stacked up. Assurant wasn't making any payments, he says. Instead, the insurer demanded from him the names and addresses of every doctor he'd seen for the previous five years, so it could verify that he hadn't concealed his cancer when he bought the policy. The investigation dragged on for months until, according to Mannett, he called the insurer and warned that the next contact would be from his lawyer. Soon after, he says, Assurant paid the hospital more than $29,000, as well as several other bills.

Assurant said it couldn't comment on Mannett's case due to privacy concerns.

Still, Mannett spent more out of pocket than he expected. Beyond his deductible, he owed several hundred dollars to some doctors who charged more than his insurer paid. He hadn't realized that even though the hospital was in his insurer's medical-provider network, some physicians working there were not.

In a statement, St. Joseph's said, "We have been working hard to provide additional information to patients to try and make our charges (and how people pay for them) more understandable."

A move that saved thousands
Mannett spent the next few months seeking doctors' opinions about how to treat the cancer in his liver. During this time, he also became familiar with the intricacies of the medical billing system:

Before writing any checks, he double-checked calculations on his insurer's explanations of benefits.

He also learned that, before Assurant would pay for expensive medication to control his digestive problems and other symptoms, he needed to obtain letters from his doctors explaining the need for the drug and pre-authorization from the insurer.

He says he found a helpful caseworker at Assurant, whom he began consulting about coverage.

In early 2006, Mannett settled on a dramatic surgical procedure at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The surgeon would remove half of his diseased liver, hoping the organ would regenerate itself.

On the advice of the insurance caseworker, Mannett got the offices of the Cedars oncologist and surgeon, who weren't in the insurer's network, to agree in advance to accept Assurant's usual rate as their full payment. He believes the move saved him thousands of dollars.

Surprise charges roll in
But when Mannett awoke in the recovery room, he learned his liver had proved too damaged for the surgery. The incision then became infected and had to be reopened and cleaned. He went home a week later, and a nurse came regularly to dress the open wound.

Then the bills started arriving. Mannett says he was surprised to learn that his agreements with the oncologist's and surgeon's offices didn't include the cost of imaging scans and lab exams.

When his head cleared between doses of painkillers, he convened three-way conference calls among those doctors' billers and his insurer to hash out some disputed fees. He also got a few charges reduced by appealing to a friendly staffer in one of the billing offices. And he wrote letters asking for other charges to be waived because of "severe financial hardship." Mannett estimates his efforts saved him more than $10,000 on the cost of the scans and lab exams.

Cedars-Sinai said it couldn't comment about Mannett because of privacy laws. Generally, the hospital has a variety of programs to help patients in financial need, it said.

A risky procedure, a personal plea
Once his surgical wound healed, Mannett decided on a risky procedure that would pump chemotherapy drugs directly into his liver. The goal was to blast the cancer, but it risked destroying Mannett's liver or causing a heart attack from the shock. Aubrey Palestrant, an interventional radiologist in Phoenix, agreed to do the surgery, which would have to be performed more than once.

Desperate to get a treatment that he figured was his last chance to survive, Mannett chose to not raise the billing issues in advance with Palestrant, who wasn't in Assurant's network. After two rounds of treatment in 2006, Mannett was told that all of his visible tumors appeared dead or dying, though the cancer was likely to reappear. Since then, he has had two more chemo treatments, for a total of four.


Fighting a claim denial

Later in 2006, he got a bill from the radiologist's office that said he owed nearly $8,200 after insurance payments of about $1,100. Additional bills followed. A financial-hardship letter to the doctor's office didn't win a discount.

Mannett says he then called Palestrant personally to plead his case and the doctor agreed to accept the insurer's rate as his full payment, forgiving Mannett's portion. Relieved and grateful, Mannett says he choked back tears.

Palestrant didn't return calls seeking comment.
..................................................................

This can happen to any one of us at anytime. And it dont matter if you have insurance or not. You will still end up with a financial life changing experience.

Something has to be done about this shit.

Just thought I'd give everyone heads up on scott altering article--just little things like- claim being denied and others.

Here is unedited version--

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704718204574616181790811124.html
I'll give you 1st chance to tell them why you did it Scott.
:0corn
 

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gardenweaseal...its not bile..liver is fine...I do throw up food...last wed I didn't eat breakfast or lunch..cup of orange juice and coffee....at 1.30 pm threw up liquids..but all the other times it was all different times..mostly at night...4.00am-5.00am
the good news is today is day 11..so the streak ended hopefully
 

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what part was missing ?

:0corn
How many do you want.????????
Lets start with your 1st con/grift on the forum--

You cut and paste article --but change a few facts to meet your agenda.

Paragraph from article--

When his insurer disputed some doctors' bills, for instance, Mr. Mannett got both parties together on a conference call to work out a compromise. By getting acquainted with a case worker at his insurance company, he learned how to negotiate lower fees from surgeons before an operation took place. And by becoming friendly with financial clerks at doctors' offices, he has been able to secure discounts on some services.
==========================

your con/grift--slight of hand forgery

For instance:

When his insurer disputed some doctors' bills, Mannett got both parties together on a conference call to work out a compromise.
Fighting a claim denial
By getting acquainted with a caseworker at his insurance company, he learned how to negotiate lower fees from surgeons before an operation took place.
And by becoming friendly with financial clerks at doctors' offices, he has been able to secure discounts on some services.
==================

This forgery was easy to spot as there was no claim denial--thats what made me lookup article and discover your deceptions.

Your not by yourself--

Since healthcare is big topic lets clear up issue people are being conned on all the time.

Here is definition of pre existing condition-
http://healthinsurance.about.com/lr/pre-existing_condition_exclusion_period/792798/3/

A pre-existing condition is a health problem that existed before you apply for a health insurance policy or enroll in a new health plan.

So next time the presidents gets up there and whines once more about his mother claim being denied because of pre ex conditions--

Instead of thinking big bad ins co-- as he intends

--you'll now know real prob was his mother-not ins co-
--for only wanting insurance -after the fact.
 

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gardenweaseal...its not bile..liver is fine...I do throw up food...last wed I didn't eat breakfast or lunch..cup of orange juice and coffee....at 1.30 pm threw up liquids..but all the other times it was all different times..mostly at night...4.00am-5.00am
the good news is today is day 11..so the streak ended hopefully

very good,,,,,hopefully you had some sort of transient issue that is resolving itself....it happens....

i had a pain in my side that resulted in an ultrasound,2 ct scans and numerous blood tests that eventually subsided on it`s own after 2-3 months...

:mj09:
 

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dear friend of over 20 years found out this week he is in stage 1 of prostate cancer..

he disregarded the signs for way to long and never went in for test as he should have..

PEOPLE YA GOTTA DO THIS VERY SIMPLE THING.


GET A PROSTATE EXAM...

IT COULD DAMN WELL SAVE YOUR LIFE..


AS WE AGE YA CAN'T BE FRIGGIN' HARD-HEADED.
 

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and while I'm thinking about ..

GW...know damn well you will read this post...

how about a hi ........
 

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Box I am having an MRI Sunday to check a vertrabrae in my back--I hate MRI's as I am a little claustrophoic--taking a couple Lorazepam that is suppose to help my anxiety. Anyone taken those before what does it do to you? PSA every year--very important to do.
 

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Box I am having an MRI Sunday to check a vertrabrae in my back--I hate MRI's as I am a little claustrophoic--taking a couple Lorazepam that is suppose to help my anxiety. Anyone taken those before what does it do to you? PSA every year--very important to do.

That Lorazepam (Ativan) is a benzo very similar to Xanax or Valium. It should relax you.:0074

I hate MRIs too, and I bet I have had at least a dozen of them.
 
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