The Real Meaning of July 4th

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Happy Secession Day[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Thomas J. DiLorenzo[/FONT]

Perhaps the best evidence of how American history was rewritten, Soviet style, in the post-1865 era is the fact that most Americans seem to be unaware that "Independence Day" was originally intended to be a celebration of the colonists? secession from the British empire. Indeed, the word secession is not even a part of the vocabulary of most Americans, who more often than not confuse it with "succession." The Revolutionary War was America?s first war of secession.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]America?s most prominent secessionist, Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration, was very clear about what he was saying: Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and whenever that consent is withdrawn, it is the right of the people to "alter or abolish" that government and "to institute a new government." The word "secession" was not a part of the American language at that time, so Jefferson used the word "separation" instead to describe the intentions of the American colonial secessionists. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Declaration is also a states? rights document (not surprisingly, since Jefferson was the intellectual inspiration for the American states? rights political tradition). This, too, is foreign to most Americans. But read the final paragraph of the Declaration which states:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other things which independent states may of right do (emphasis in original).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Each colony was considered to be a free and independent state, or nation, in and of itself. There was no such thing as "the United States of America" in the minds of the founders. The independent colonies were simply united for a particular cause: seceding from the British empire. Each individual state was assumed to possess all the rights that any state possesses, even to wage war and conclude peace. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Indeed, when King George III finally signed a peace treaty he signed it with all the individual American states, named one by one, and not something called "The United States of America." The "United States" as a consolidated, monopolistic government is a fiction invented by Lincoln and instituted as a matter of policy at gunpoint and at the expense of some 600,000 American lives during 1861?1865. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Jefferson defended the right of secession in his first inaugural address by declaring, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it." (In sharp contrast, in his first inaugural address, Lincoln promised an "invasion" with massive "bloodshed" (his words) of any state that failed to collect the newly-doubled federal tariff rate by seceding from the union).[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Jefferson made numerous statements in defense of the defining principal of the American Revolution: the right of secession. In a January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly he wrote:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern, and I feel myself as much identified with that country, in future time, as with this; and did I now foresee a separation [i.e., secession] at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In an August 12, 1803 letter to John C. Breckinridge Jefferson addressed the same issue, in light of the New England Federalists? secession movement in response to his Louisiana Purchase. If there were a "separation" into two confederacies, he wrote, "God bless them both, & keep them in the union if it be for their good, but separate them, if it be better." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]So on July 4 stoke up the grill, enjoy your barbecue, and drink a toast to Mr. Jefferson and his fellow secessionists. (And beware of any Straussian nonsense about how it was really Lincoln, the greatest enemy of states? rights, including the right of secession, who taught us to "revere" the Declaration of Independence. Nothing could be further from the truth.)[/FONT]

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An interesting article but it's misleading to refer to a States rights advocate like Jefferson as a secessionist, particularly one who doubled the size of the nation during his first term. Jefferson never once advocated secession, only States rights to do so if they so chose.

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An interesting article but it's misleading to refer to a States rights advocate like Jefferson as a secessionist, particularly one who doubled the size of the nation during his first term. Jefferson never once advocated secession, only States rights to do so if they so chose.

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Secession from the Crown is the point of the column.


That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other things which independent states may of right do (emphasis in original).
 

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Secession from the Crown is the point of the column.
Well you and I read two different articles then. The point of the article I read was established in the first 4 words... "America's most prominent secessionist". So unless someone can provide evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever advocated the secession of the State of Virginia from the Union, the article's based on a fallacy.

The final paragraph of the Declaration of Independence was hardly the point of the article.

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Well you and I read two different articles then. The point of the article I read was established in the first 4 words... "America's most prominent secessionist". So unless someone can provide evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever advocated the secession of the State of Virginia from the Union, the article's based on a fallacy.

The final paragraph of the Declaration of Independence was hardly the point of the article.

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Jefferson didn't want seccesion from the "Union" or 13 Colonies at the time who were fighting for their Independence form the Crown.

Indeed, the word secession is not even a part of the vocabulary of most Americans, who more often than not confuse it with "succession." The Revolutionary War was America?s first war of secession.

The word "secession" was not a part of the American language at that time, so Jefferson used the word "separation" instead to describe the intentions of the American colonial secessionists.

Seccession of the States fron the Union came 70 years later which TJ had nothing to do with.

On a side note, I watched a great show on the Military Channel 287 on DTV on the Gettysburg Address.
 
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Lumi, did you see the PEW poll where over 25% of Americans (30-45 years were polled) don't know the country we gained independence from? Very sad, but not surprised anymore.
 

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I'm not suprised though too many people have more important things to worry about, like ....

So you think you can dance, American Idol, Kate and 8 WTF ? Who Cares ?

I'm angry that I even know these shows exist

What percentage of people do think will know the day Lincoln was shot?

I looked for a poll on this, no such thing, but I can find a % of left handers and homsexuals? :0corn
 

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Lumi, did you see the PEW poll where over 25% of Americans (30-45 years were polled) don't know the country we gained independence from? Very sad, but not surprised anymore.
I saw that poll KC. Sadly, it explains the existence of people like Milwaukee County Board Supervisor, Peggy West...

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This is why everyone's vote should not count the same. If you can't answer a couple of basic questions about our country's history, your vote should be voided out.

I agree and I would take it even further by saying if you get ANY money from the government, be it welfare or a paycheck, you should not be allowed to vote in federal elections.

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I agree and I would take it even further by saying if you get ANY money from the government, be it welfare or a paycheck, you should not be allowed to vote in federal elections.

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I would disagree with that on some points Turfgrass, there is no doubt that there are people who certainly abuse the system and are tools of that system. You have eliminated the US Military from voting, Retired Military, Veterans, Diabled Vets, Police, Firefighters, Lawmakers, their staff, The Alphabet Soup Agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA....

Not only all of those have you eliminated, there are people, especially single women who have been put in ugly situations that need a temporary assist to put their lives in order, they aren't happy about carrying around the EBT Card, but it's either that or have their children go hungry.

Your statement is rather harsh and strong, so I your words, I shouldn't be allowed to vote because I am a disabled Veteran?

I think you need to re-think what you have said.

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Well, for the most part I stick by my statement except I should add the caveat of Federal not local government. Most firemen, police, and EMT?s are paid through local taxes, not federal.

I know it sounds harsh, but government employees and people who (how should I say this without offending) would rather accept government handouts without really ever looking for work, would mess it up for all the other good folks out there.

Once we reach a point in this country where a majority --- say 60% -- of the voters are enjoying a complete free ride; a free income tax ride, a free Social Security ride and a free Medicare ride, those voters will be absolute slaves to the whims and demands of the people in power. They will loyally vote for the party that keeps the taxman at bay, and checks coming to the house. It's a defeat-proof freeloading majority, and it's on the way to a precinct near you.
 

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I know where are coming, at least I think I do?

True that those who are 3rd generation feeders don't realize that is just a dolled up version of slavery (attack me if you must) but if you keep those pacified with just enough, you have their vote.

There needs to be a distinction to what you are proposing though. Too many people depend on what is left of Social Security, too many depend on Veterans Benifits. Put together a list of who you have eliminated for the voting roster.

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You?re right it?s too harsh, but I guess you could always make people join the military (or some sort of service) for a minimum of 4 years for the right to vote, or pass an IQ test, or a civics exam, or perhaps a constitutional class of at least 40 hours.

Either way you will always have some part of the constituency crying foul.
 

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You?re right it?s too harsh, but I guess you could always make people join the military (or some sort of service) for a minimum of 4 years for the right to vote, or pass an IQ test, or a civics exam, or perhaps a constitutional class of at least 40 hours.

Either way you will always have some part of the constituency crying foul.

I would have to argue that anyone that joins the military in today's times would have to have their vote taken away for a low IQ.
 
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