Tour Players Weigh In on Dustin Johnson Penalty

dawgball

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I hate it for Dustin, and I agree the rule is silly.

But the ruling was 100% correct.
 

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I agree 100% Dawg. Just wish that common sense had ruled the day. You've got people standing and sitting in that "bunker" all day long and now they are at least 10 deep all the way around him. How in the hell was he supposed to know he was in a bunker? At the end of the day it falls at his (and caddy's) feet, but I think the PGA Rules official that was walking with this group should be catching some heat as well.
 

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Here's a good question. How many of these tour players would have come to the aid if it was Eldrick Woods that made this mistake? My guess is 10%.
 

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Here's a good question. How many of these tour players would have come to the aid if it was Eldrick Woods that made this mistake? My guess is 10%.

Funny how people are so angry.

Someone in the other thread had the exact opposite thought.

They were basically saying if this was Tiger, the penalty wouldn't be called.
 

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Not saying whether it would have been called or not. Although, that is also a very good question. Just saying how much the other players on the tour dislike Tiger Woods.
 

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Picture of the bunker in question

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He should have known. All the players were told and warned about the traps and it was posted in the clubhouse and the locker room.

He should have known :shrug:

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How many golfers did the same thing earlier in the week but because there were no cameras were not penalized?

Ah, none? The cameras didn't catch the penalty, the rules official did.

http://www.cbssports.com/golf/story...t-not-no-but-hell-no?tag=globalNav.golf;cover

Because the rules were clear. They were clear in multiple places. People seem fairly united today -- fans, even opposing golfers -- that Johnson was screwed by the rule, but those people ignore the most compelling piece of information available to the contrary:

That the rule was clear, and available to all golfers (and their caddies).

The rule was posted all four days in the players' locker room at Whistling Straits in Sheboygan, Wis. It was circulated in a memo that was personally given to each player in the field. The rule said, quite simply:

"All areas of the course that were designed and built as sand bunkers will be played as bunkers [hazards], whether or not they have been raked. This will mean that many bunkers positioned outside the ropes, as well as some areas of bunkers inside the ropes, close to the rope line, will likely include numerous footprints ..."

Clear as can be. That pile of dirt? It's a bunker.

Even though there's no rake signifying it's a bunker? It's a bunker.

Even though fans were standing in it during the round? It's a bunker.

The rule was clear. And say what you want about the banality -- or anal-ity -- of golf's rule book, but it's the most noble sport in the world for this very reason.
 

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David Price had a sinking feeling as he watched Dustin Johnson stroke his final putt in Sunday's final round of the PGA Championship.

Price, the head golf professional at Bent Tree Country Club in Dallas and the rules official walking with the final group on Sunday at Whistling Straits, told ESPNDallas.com via cell phone on Monday that he had just received a call over his radio from another rules official watching the broadcast on television.

"He said, 'Do not let Dustin sign his scorecard yet. We may have a problem. I think he grounded his club in the bunker not once, but twice,'" Price said.

Price, who was watching as Johnson was preparing to hit his third shot, didn't want to say anything until the hole was over.

"I'm going to let him play out the hole so that it doesn't change the way he plays a shot or anything like that in case there wasn't a violation," said Price, who was walking with the final group for the sixth straight time at the PGA Championship. "As he's putting I'm thinking, 'I could be going up to the PGA champion to tell him he's not really the champion.' He missed the putt, which didn't make it any better, but I immediately went up to talk to him."

Price asked Nick Watney, Johnson's playing partner, to stay to listen to the conversation since Watney had to sign Johnson's scorecard.

"I simply asked Dustin: 'There has been a report that you possibly grounded your club in the bunker on your second shot. I need to ask you if you know if you did or not,'" Price said. "He paused and said, 'I don't remember, but I don't think I did.' I told him that was fine, but we had to go in and look at the video."

Price said he heard Johnson say he didn't even realize he was in a bunker as they walked off the green.

Price and the other rules officials offered to take Johnson to the CBS trailer where they have high-resolution cameras, but once Johnson saw the replay in the scoring area, he knew he had grounded his club and said so. That meant a 2-stroke penalty was assessed and Johnson was out of the three-hole aggregate playoff.

Martin Kaymer ended up beating Bubba Watson in that playoff for his first major victory.

"It was very difficult to have to tell him and for that to happen ... very difficult," Price said. "It's one of those things. It's a cut-and-dried rule. There's no question it was a bunker. There are 1,200 of them out there, and we put that clearly on the rules sheet. It's not a questionable call at first base or whether a guy's foot was in bounds on a pass. It wasn't a judgment call. The timing was just bad."

Price has had to give bad news to players before. He's been an official at the PGA Championship more than 20 times and has been a rules official for 11 Masters, five Ryder Cups, a couple of British Opens and this year's U.S. Open. He's headed to the Ryder Cup next month to help out with rules issues.

Price said he went up to Johnson as he was preparing to hit his second shot and asked him if he needed anything. Johnson replied that he needed the crowd moved to the right, so Price went to make sure that was being done and then waited on the fairway. He never saw Johnson ground his club.

But Price had dealt with two other questions from Johnson or his caddie about bunkers the previous few holes. On No. 14, Johnson hit into an area just past a bunker and asked if he could take some practice swings for that shot in the bunker. Since the ball wasn't in the bunker, Price told him he could. Then, on No. 16, Johnson's caddie asked if he could remove some stones near the ball. Price told him they were in a bunker and by rule they can move loose impediments as long as the golf ball doesn't move. But there was no doubt to Price that Johnson was in a bunker.

"All he had to do was ask," Price said. "He'd asked me before that. He'd been in a bunch of bunkers. You don't remind a player on every hole that you can't ground your club."

Price said the bunker on No. 18 that Johnson was in was formed like many other bunkers on the course.

"It was a rather small one, but it was an area that had been dug out and filled with sand," Price said. "The only thing that made it different than previous bunkers is that he hit the ball so far off line, it was in a bunker that had been trampled down instead of one that was finely raked. We told players on the information we gave them that all sand on the course was considered a hazard, even if there were footprints or tire marks."

Price pointed out that it was important to tell Johnson right after the 18th hole and get things figured out before he signed his scorecard and started a possible playoff.

"If he signs that card, he's disqualified and maybe that impacts whether he clinches a spot on the Ryder Cup or something like that," Price said. "So we had to take care of it then."
 

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Ah, none? The cameras didn't catch the penalty, the rules official did.
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Just an FYI, I heard an interview on espn radio with the official that was walking with DJ's group. He stated that another rules official that was watching the telecast pointed out the infraction. He had missed it.
 
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