Have those cheeseheads gone nuts?
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That what he gets for getting on that Gumby train and not doing what he knew was right.
People tired of the rhetoric vs reality.
Like when Reid tells em how much clout he has in Washington and how much he can do for them--Nevada has 2 choices -believe the rhetoric or realize they are dead last in employment in the U.S. and ask themselves WTF has he been waiting on.
Here a little line @ Bodog that you'll find interesting--I'm tempted to bet on the Dems
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People tired of the rhetoric vs reality.
Like when Reid tells em how much clout he has in Washington and how much he can do for them--Nevada has 2 choices -believe the rhetoric or realize they are dead last in employment in the U.S. and ask themselves WTF has he been waiting on.
Here a little line @ Bodog that you'll find interesting--I'm tempted to bet on the Dems
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Everything I hear, it's pretty much a dead heat between Feingold and his Republican challenger, Ron Johnson.
Hey, if Castle could be beaten in the primaries by an intellectual lightweight like O'Donnell, I guess no one's a lock.
Maybe DTB will share with us exactly what Feingold's "not been doing that he knew was right"? :shrug: This I gotta hear... :0corn
He's gone.... long gone.
People in WI are fed up with Obama's agenda, and Feingolds lack of ability to stand up against it.
His vote for healthcare was the last straw. He ignored the will of the majority of voters in WI - you do that, you lose your job. It's an easy decision for Wisky folks.....
Bye Bye Feingold - don't let the door hit yer azz on the way out....
Next will be Kohl.......
I love all the phony outrage coming from the right over healthcare.
HR3200 will be a bonanza for Big Insurance and Big Pharma. I have to laugh every time you righties call it Obamacare.
Mags, since you're the healthcare "expert" here, I've got a question for ya... Do you know who actually wrote the Healthcare Reform Bill? Have you even bothered to ask yourself that question?
:0corn
As I said before --you need to get new sources of info--Hell your Bible Da Kos got him getting trounced the worst.
Here is what it looks like in the real world--
Polling Data
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I wouldn't count Feingold out just yet, but if Johnson gets in there it shows you how stupid the state is.. Here is a link to his Wiki... Pay close attention to the 2010 campaign section..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Johnson_(Wisconsin)
What gets me is the part about criticizing Obama for holding BP responsible for the oil spill yet he has $100,000 invested in BP stock.. Also, to call global warming crazy or lunacy is in itself crazy.. I could see if a person does not believe in it but to totally discredit those who do believe in it isn't right either..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Johnson_(Wisconsin)
What gets me is the part about criticizing Obama for holding BP responsible for the oil spill yet he has $100,000 invested in BP stock.. Also, to call global warming crazy or lunacy is in itself crazy.. I could see if a person does not believe in it but to totally discredit those who do believe in it isn't right either..
I love all the phony outrage coming from the right over healthcare.
HR3200 will be a bonanza for Big Insurance and Big Pharma. I have to laugh every time you righties call it Obamacare.
Mags, since you're the healthcare "expert" here, I've got a question for ya... Do you know who actually wrote the Healthcare Reform Bill? Have you even bothered to ask yourself that question?
:0corn
Trench:
It's not phony outrage. People in WI were strongly against the bill. Feingold heard it all August last year. He even said that he understood that his constituents were against the bill, but he personally was for it, so he was voting for it.
Which is why we will vote him out - if he is not going to reflect the will of the people, then he has no use to anyone.
Who wrote the healthcare bill? Are you serious? If you are insinuating that the health insurance companies did, you are not as smart as I reluctantly give you credit for. Because Obama could get noone to buy in to his takeover of healthcare in June 2009, he immediately pivoted and starting making Insurance companies the villian. And even that didn't work, so he had to bribe/threaten/arm twist senators to vote for the damn thing - which many, if not all, are regretting today (show me a Dem that is going "Look at me - I voted for healthcare!")
The socialist Dems/labor unions/Big Pharma wrote this bill - as they all got special deals, and nothing was done to reign in any of the substantial cost drivers.
Even you should be able to see that.
I respectfull disagree.. Yeah the healthcare plan may have some to do with it but it is just the way the state of Wisconsin is.. The southern part anyway.. The state has just been swaying more to the right anyway.. Wisconsin has become more and more conservative and people down there want change from the status quo... I do think Russ Feingold will get the northern part of the state but it might not be enough..
Bleeding - the best part of your response is "I respectfully disagree".... meaning, it is nice to hear a differing point of view, one that I may not agree with, but a point of view that is not full of personal attacks.
It gives you credibility - and I commend you for that.
We'll see what happens in November - 30+ days is a lifetime in policital circles - a lot can change before then....
I was wondering what part you don't agree with. That Wisky is becoming more conservative (Southern Part) or that Northern Wisconsin will be pro Feingold, or both??
I agree that So. WI is becoming more conservative..... not sure about northern WI, since I don't live there, I really don't have much idea of how the folks up there feel.
Well it is heavily democratic and surprising rednecky. Democratic rednecks, go figure :shrug: .. Most people who I know that do not like Obama don't dislike him because of his politics.. Most of the rednecks don't even know what is going on. They dislike him because of color of skin.. Its a good thing that I know more people up here who like him than dislike him...
Obama is easy to like personally..... he gives great speaches.... his policies and agenda? Not so much....
Most "rednecks" are democratic I guess - they have the most to gain in the income transfer scheme, right?
I thought most people in northern WI (at least the ones that I know) are just family orientated, hard working people.... not sure if that fits in the "redneck" definition....
As Billboards Pop Up In Wisconsin, Tea Party And GOP Accused Of Voter Suppression
Ryan J. Reilly | September 23, 2010, 1:10PM
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The Wisconsin Republican Party claims to have shelved an elaborate plan to coordinate with other conservative groups to root out purported voter fraud in the state's upcoming election.
The original plan, which was revealed in a document obtained and made public by a progressive group in the state, would have designated Tea Party groups as investigators in the field looking for fraudulent registrations -- looking through the white pages to authenticate voter addresses, pulling up homes on Google Maps and even driving by houses and apartments to conduct visual checks.
Under an earlier draft of the plan, Tea Party volunteers would then send complete reports to a Wisconsin GOP official, and were instructed to delete all copies of the data and required to sign a confidentiality notice.
The Wisconsin GOP confirmed to Talking Points Memo that documents released by One Wisconsin Now this week outlining a coordinated campaign between the party, a Tea Party group and the state chapter of Americans for Prosperity to address the organizations' fear of voter fraud originated from his office. But a spokesman said the initiative has since been scrapped and the groups have no plans to work together.
The head of the state chapter of AFP maintained his group was never associated with any coordinated voter fraud effort, despite documents to the contrary indicating they were planning mail out postcards intended to clean up voter registration lists, promote a tool to check on a voter's status and to purchase billboards featuring anti-voter fraud messages.
Now a number of billboards which say they are funded by "A Private Family Foundation" have popped up around the state that feature the slogan "VOTER FRAUD is a FELONY!" and feature images of two women of indeterminate race and an African-American man behind bars. The billboards warns Wisconsin residents they could be subjected to up to three years in prison and up to $10,000 in fines.
One such billboard, pictured in photographs provided to Talking Points Memo, is located along Interstate 1-94 near Ixonia, which sits between Milwaukee and Madison. There are reports of the same billboard popping up all over Milwaukee, said a One Wisconsin Now representative.
Officials coordinating what they say is an anti-voter fraud effort -- which would have a disparate impact on minorities and students unlikely to vote Republican --say they don't know anything about the billboards. Documents indicated organizers considered featuring messages like "Did your deceased uncle vote in 2008?" on the billboards, according to the documents posted on One Wisconsin Now's website.
As TPM has reported, the issue of voter fraud has been ginned up by Tea Party activists this year despite evidence the problem is much smaller than conservatives contend and that anti-voter fraud efforts can clamp down on legitimate voting. AFP's Dick Armey has raised the issue of voter fraud, as have Tea Party groups around the country. A self-described ACORN whistleblower has appeared at conservative conventions from D.C. to the suburbs of Chicago. Meanwhile, elections watchdogs have said they want to make sure poll watchers trained by Tea Party groups are clear on election laws.
Scott Ross of One Wisconsin Now told TPMMuckraker that the groups were "in bed with the Republican Party, and the Republican Party wants to suppress the vote in inner city wards and on college campuses and they've been doing this for far longer than I've been alive."
Andrew Welhouse, a spokesman for the Wisconsin GOP, confirmed to TPMMuckraker that the documents originated from his office, but said they were outdated and the plan had since been scrapped.
"That plan isn't taking place," Welhouse said. "We've got things on our own as the Republican Party separate from the Tea Party that we do to try to make sure that people are voting according to the laws of the state."
While acknowledging that the state GOP had an independent anti-voter fraud effort, he said it was operating without help from AFP or Tea Party groups.
"We share information with individuals, with volunteers, with people who come to us and say we want to help," Welhouse said.
"One Wisconsin Now was trying to prove, by showing that these documents were from us, is that there's this coordinated plot underway to suppress the vote, and that's not the case," Welhouse said. "We abide by the mantra that we want to make it easier to vote, but harder to cheat."
Americans for Prosperity in Wisconsin has no plans to participate in any voter fraud program, AFP-WI Chair Mark Block told TPMMuckraker. He said he had no part in the plan originally outlined in the documents and discussed at at Tea Party meeting in June in Marshfield, WI.
"I think the aggressive prosecution of those individuals involved in past cycles has lead to groups like ACORN not to be involved in Wisconsin," AFP-WI's Block said.
Tim Dake of GrandSons of Liberty, a tea party organization, had said at at meeting over the summer that AFP "is willing to fund doing a mass mailing to registered voters on this, about getting them involved with this, making sure that their information is current, because people periodically need to go back and check," according to audio provided by One Wisconsin Now. But ATP-WI's Block told TPMMuckraker that Dake did not speak for him.
As a national organization, Americans For Prosperity is not conducting a national effort to prevent voter fraud, said spokeswoman Mary Ellen Burke.
"No, it's not something that AFP is focusing on nationally. I think it was state specific, and we do allow our state chapters to focus on issues that are specifically important to their state," Burke told TPM earlier Wednesday.
Late Update: One Wisconsin Now's Ross tells TPM that the e-mails the group obtained were sent by Dake of GrandSons of Liberty last Thursday. A copy of those e-mails can be viewed here (PDF). Dake has since issued a "revised" version of their "Election Observer Program" which he said dated back to Aug. 22, which can be viewed here (PDF).
Photos of one billboard in Wisconsin, provided to TPMuckraker by One Wisconsin Now.
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The Wisconsin Republican Party claims to have shelved an elaborate plan to coordinate with other conservative groups to root out purported voter fraud in the state's upcoming election.
The original plan, which was revealed in a document obtained and made public by a progressive group in the state, would have designated Tea Party groups as investigators in the field looking for fraudulent registrations -- looking through the white pages to authenticate voter addresses, pulling up homes on Google Maps and even driving by houses and apartments to conduct visual checks.
Under an earlier draft of the plan, Tea Party volunteers would then send complete reports to a Wisconsin GOP official, and were instructed to delete all copies of the data and required to sign a confidentiality notice.
The Wisconsin GOP confirmed to Talking Points Memo that documents released by One Wisconsin Now this week outlining a coordinated campaign between the party, a Tea Party group and the state chapter of Americans for Prosperity to address the organizations' fear of voter fraud originated from his office. But a spokesman said the initiative has since been scrapped and the groups have no plans to work together.
The head of the state chapter of AFP maintained his group was never associated with any coordinated voter fraud effort, despite documents to the contrary indicating they were planning mail out postcards intended to clean up voter registration lists, promote a tool to check on a voter's status and to purchase billboards featuring anti-voter fraud messages.
Now a number of billboards which say they are funded by "A Private Family Foundation" have popped up around the state that feature the slogan "VOTER FRAUD is a FELONY!" and feature images of two women of indeterminate race and an African-American man behind bars. The billboards warns Wisconsin residents they could be subjected to up to three years in prison and up to $10,000 in fines.
One such billboard, pictured in photographs provided to Talking Points Memo, is located along Interstate 1-94 near Ixonia, which sits between Milwaukee and Madison. There are reports of the same billboard popping up all over Milwaukee, said a One Wisconsin Now representative.
Officials coordinating what they say is an anti-voter fraud effort -- which would have a disparate impact on minorities and students unlikely to vote Republican --say they don't know anything about the billboards. Documents indicated organizers considered featuring messages like "Did your deceased uncle vote in 2008?" on the billboards, according to the documents posted on One Wisconsin Now's website.
As TPM has reported, the issue of voter fraud has been ginned up by Tea Party activists this year despite evidence the problem is much smaller than conservatives contend and that anti-voter fraud efforts can clamp down on legitimate voting. AFP's Dick Armey has raised the issue of voter fraud, as have Tea Party groups around the country. A self-described ACORN whistleblower has appeared at conservative conventions from D.C. to the suburbs of Chicago. Meanwhile, elections watchdogs have said they want to make sure poll watchers trained by Tea Party groups are clear on election laws.
Scott Ross of One Wisconsin Now told TPMMuckraker that the groups were "in bed with the Republican Party, and the Republican Party wants to suppress the vote in inner city wards and on college campuses and they've been doing this for far longer than I've been alive."
Andrew Welhouse, a spokesman for the Wisconsin GOP, confirmed to TPMMuckraker that the documents originated from his office, but said they were outdated and the plan had since been scrapped.
"That plan isn't taking place," Welhouse said. "We've got things on our own as the Republican Party separate from the Tea Party that we do to try to make sure that people are voting according to the laws of the state."
While acknowledging that the state GOP had an independent anti-voter fraud effort, he said it was operating without help from AFP or Tea Party groups.
"We share information with individuals, with volunteers, with people who come to us and say we want to help," Welhouse said.
"One Wisconsin Now was trying to prove, by showing that these documents were from us, is that there's this coordinated plot underway to suppress the vote, and that's not the case," Welhouse said. "We abide by the mantra that we want to make it easier to vote, but harder to cheat."
Americans for Prosperity in Wisconsin has no plans to participate in any voter fraud program, AFP-WI Chair Mark Block told TPMMuckraker. He said he had no part in the plan originally outlined in the documents and discussed at at Tea Party meeting in June in Marshfield, WI.
"I think the aggressive prosecution of those individuals involved in past cycles has lead to groups like ACORN not to be involved in Wisconsin," AFP-WI's Block said.
Tim Dake of GrandSons of Liberty, a tea party organization, had said at at meeting over the summer that AFP "is willing to fund doing a mass mailing to registered voters on this, about getting them involved with this, making sure that their information is current, because people periodically need to go back and check," according to audio provided by One Wisconsin Now. But ATP-WI's Block told TPMMuckraker that Dake did not speak for him.
As a national organization, Americans For Prosperity is not conducting a national effort to prevent voter fraud, said spokeswoman Mary Ellen Burke.
"No, it's not something that AFP is focusing on nationally. I think it was state specific, and we do allow our state chapters to focus on issues that are specifically important to their state," Burke told TPM earlier Wednesday.
Late Update: One Wisconsin Now's Ross tells TPM that the e-mails the group obtained were sent by Dake of GrandSons of Liberty last Thursday. A copy of those e-mails can be viewed here (PDF). Dake has since issued a "revised" version of their "Election Observer Program" which he said dated back to Aug. 22, which can be viewed here (PDF).
Photos of one billboard in Wisconsin, provided to TPMuckraker by One Wisconsin Now.
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You're gonna look pretty silly if most of your bold predictions about the mid-terms bite you in the ass on Nov. 2nd.
Look for a thread titled "Man Bites Dog" on Nov. 3rd... :142smilie
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Mags, the primary author of HR3200 was Liz Fowler. For those who may not be familiar with her, Liz Fowler is a former Wellpoint VP who hired on with Max Baucus to specifically author the Healthcare Reform Bill.
Watch and learn Mags...
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Key word being FORMER. I'm sure she was brought on, as she had a strong knowledge how to stick it to the insurance companies - while all the time ignoring the real cost drivers - Pharma, Docs and Hospitals.
Did you not even watch the Bill Moyers piece? :shrug:
Don't worry Mags, I've got plenty of other sources revealing how Ms. Fowler authored the Bill to specifically benefit Big Insurance and Big Pharma.
