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Appears they are finding out a few probs they were warned of previously--price paid for letting no experience/qualifications and congress make policy behind closed door.

Just the tip--

McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers

By Drew Armstrong, Bloomberg Business News
Nearly a million workers won't get a consumer protection in the U.S. health reform law meant to cap insurance costs because the government exempted their employers.
Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees.
The Department of Health and Human Services, which provided a list of exemptions, said it granted waivers in late September so workers with such plans wouldn't lose coverage from employers who might choose instead to drop health insurance altogether.
Without waivers, companies would have had to provide a minimum of $750,000 in coverage next year, increasing to $1.25 million in 2012, $2 million in 2013 and unlimited in 2014.

REFORM: A consumer primer for health insurance changes in 2011
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"The big political issue here is the president promised no one would lose the coverage they've got," says Robert Laszewski, chief executive officer of consulting company Health Policy and Strategy Associates. "Here we are a month before the election, and these companies represent 1 million people who would lose the coverage they've got."

The United Agricultural Benefit Trust, the California-based cooperative that offers coverage to farm workers, was allowed to exempt 17,347 people. San Diego-based Jack in the Box's waiver is for 1,130 workers, while McDonald's asked to excuse 115,000.
The plans will be exempt from rules intended to keep people from having to pay for all their care once they reach a preset coverage cap. McDonald's, which offers the programs as a way to cover part-time employees, told the Obama administration it might re-evaluate the plans unless it got a waiver.
McDonald's and Jack in the Box didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.
The waiver program is intended to provide continuous coverage until 2014, when government-organized marketplaces will offer insurance subsidized by tax credits, says HHS spokeswoman Jessica Santillo.
The regulations would have hit some insurance plans for young adults in the universal coverage program run by the state of Massachusetts. The program, enacted in 2006, has a plan for individuals ages 18 to 26 who can't get coverage through work, covering about 5,000 people. The waiver obtained by the state "will give us time to implement the transition plan in a manner designed to mitigate premium increases," says Dick Powers, a spokesman for the state program.
The biggest single waiver, for 351,000 people, was for the United Federation of Teachers Welfare Fund, a New York union providing coverage for city teachers. The waivers are effective for a year and were granted to insurance plans and companies that showed that employee premiums would rise or that workers would lose coverage without them, Santillo says.
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Have to admit--opportune time for all these collassal blunders to come to light--I may have to reconsider those 2/1 odds on Rebs taking both Senate and House- and hopefully same results as 1994 after Clinton's similiar 2 dismal years.
Word out is Gumby's hoping for Reb win so they can bail him out like they did Billy Bob

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Have to admit--opportune time for all these collassal blunders to come to light--I may have to reconsider those 2/1 odds on Rebs taking both Senate and House- and hopefully same results as 1994 after Clinton's similiar 2 dismal years.
Word out is Gumby's hoping for Reb win so they can bail him out like they did Billy Bob

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There would be NO coverage issues with Medicare for ALL. You can thank the Rebs and the Blue Dogs for POS bill we got.

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There would be NO coverage issues with Medicare for ALL. You can thank the Rebs and the Blue Dogs for POS bill we got.

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Medicare for all would be gov coverage--for all.

Nothing like a free bee to give a liberal a boner.

If you noted any polls --most working class americans are happy with their coverage that the nasty ole corps are providing--
I understand your not liking it as you have to be employed to qualify--

Liberals motto

"If it ain't the tit--its got to git" :)
 

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That low cost coverage covers next to nothing and should be illegal anyway. If one of those poor people gets sick they can expect hospital bills up the ying yang. I am glad to see them go.
 

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How about this one Stevie--note their catchy phrase for it--Debt Free America Act -H.R. 4646

Liberal media will be doing their ole GOP party of no on this one too so let me explain what they won't tell you--other than name of bill--and that is what bill actualy does.

Looks pretty docile here
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-4646

Hmm lets see could it possibly be cutting spending --didn't think so

How's it look here--click on summary in link above.


2/23/2010--Introduced.
Debt Free America Act - States as purposes of this Act the raising of sufficient revenue from a fee on transactions to eliminate the national debt within seven years and the phasing out of the individual income tax. Amends the Internal Revenue Code to impose a 1% fee, offset by a corresponding nonrefundable income tax credit, on transactions that use a payment instrument, including any check, cash, credit card, transfer of stock, bonds, or other financial instrument. Defines "transaction" to include retail and wholesale sales, purchases of intermediate goods, and financial and intangible transactions. Establishes in the legislative branch the Bipartisan Task Force for Responsible Fiscal Action to review the fiscal imbalance of the federal government and make recommendations to improve such imbalance. Provides for expedited consideration by Congress of Task Force recommendations. Repeals after 2017 the individual income tax, refundable and nonrefundable personal tax credits, and the alternative minimum tax (AMT) on individuals. Directs the Secretary of the Treasury to: (1) prioritize the repayment of the national debt to protect the fiscal stability of the United States; and (2) study and report to Congress on the implementation of this Act.



Basically its a 1% fee on any finacial transaction in your account and again out of your account.

Psst Hey Gumby-- what about the- let me make this clear-no taxes on those earning less than $200,000.

Gumby: Ah my children-can't you read--this "again" is a fee not a tax.:SIB

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Dogs, what is the alternative? Should we let the health and insurance industries wipe out the middle class?
Give me an alternative?
 

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FUCK BIG BUSINESS !

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Gumby: Ah my children-can't you read--this "again" is a fee not a tax.:SIB

VOTE NOV 2nd

Just wanted to mention from a local angle and the possible Presidential election on this point. If somehow Tim Pawlenty is an option, he is the absolute master of initiating fees under the guise of no taxes. He installed plenty of them here, along with taking money out of certain departments in the state and putting them in others, to prep for fee installations. Just saying, if you're looking for a true fiscal conservative, he talks a good game but with him it is a game. There will be better options for you as conservatives.

I personally like the guy, but think he's as slick a politician as they come.
 

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That low cost coverage covers next to nothing and should be illegal anyway. If one of those poor people gets sick they can expect hospital bills up the ying yang. I am glad to see them go.
Steve
I'm getting tired giving you the same #'s every 2 months on people covered under group coverage-
-I'm getting tired giving you the #'s that are happy with it
--I'm getting tired of giving you the poll#s that regress each month on those in favor of healthcare reform--
--the dems run like hell from it on campaign trail

--and I have no clue how to rationalize with people whose reply to to those losing high deductible plans is they have no coverage at all.

We are just on different tangents and have to accept it--and go on.
 

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Steve
I'm getting tired giving you the same #'s every 2 months on people covered under group coverage-
-I'm getting tired giving you the #'s that are happy with it
--I'm getting tired of giving you the poll#s that regress each month on those in favor of healthcare reform--
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Medicare for all would be gov coverage--for all.

Nothing like a free bee to give a liberal a boner.

I understand your not liking it as you have to be employed to qualify--

Liberals motto

"If it ain't the tit--its got to git" :)
Dogs... your constant drumbeat of painting all liberals as unemployed deadbeats is too stupid to respond to, other than to say that...

I understand your not liking it (healthcare reform) as you have to have a heart to care about others--

Teabaggers motto

"If it don't help me, then let it be" :)
 
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Dogs... your constant drumbeat of painting all liberals as unemployed deadbeats is too stupid to respond to, other than to say that...

I understand your not liking it (healthcare reform) as you have to have a heart to care about others--

Teabaggers motto

"If it don't help me, then let it be" :)

-and how many times do I have to put up exit polls on voting demographics a month for you-

I keep putting up the #'s you keep chirping opnion.

You-tramp-muffins and scott all have identicle traits--:wall:

I got news for you--People with real lives-friends-jobs can relate -- and don't give a shit about anyones cyber fantasies lives.
 

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You-tramp-muffins and scott all have identicle traits--:wall:

I got news for you--People with real lives-friends-jobs can relate -- and don't give a shit about anyones cyber fantasies lives.
OK, this is what we call denial, Dogs.

No one else in this forum supports your views, yet you think you're surrounded by people who can relate to you?

You're in denial dude.
 

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You-tramp-muffins and scott all have identicle traits--:wall:

I got news for you--People with real lives-friends-jobs can relate -- and don't give a shit about anyones cyber fantasies lives.

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It is amazing the twisted way you think about things.

It sounds like the only friends you have are the ones you have met at golf outings at madjacks.
Its like drunken outings are the basis for your circle of friends. Its sad really.

Its you that leads the fantasy life.

You only really live when you have a budweiser and a golf club in your hand, chasing Joker around a cart.

I am sure you are still waiting for the next event so you can have friends again.

Maybe you can buy golf fees for the entire group next time. Buying friendship is something that seems to come naturally to you.
 
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OK, this is what we call denial, Dogs.

No one else in this forum supports your views, yet you think you're surrounded by people who can relate to you?

You're in denial dude.

You should have been in last golf foursome/real life--and those prior to that--


-however always get a good yuk out of you cyber ghosts telling someone "they" are in denial--how about telling us to "get real" :142smilie

You play with your cyber friends and swap those cyber tails and I'll continue on with real folks /real life.
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definition of in denial--

Fact:
JOBLESS RATE TOPS 9.5% FOR 14 STRAIGHT MONTHS...

Gumby's rhetoric:

Obama: Trend Line In Private Sector Jobs Moving In "Right Direction"
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You should have been in last golf foursome/real life--and those prior to that--


-however always get a good yuk out of you cyber ghosts telling someone "they" are in denial--how about telling us to "get real" :142smilie

You play with your cyber friends and swap those cyber tails and I'll continue on with real folks /real life.
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It is amazing the twisted way you think about things.

It sounds like the only friends you have are the ones you have met at golf outings at madjacks.
Its like drunken outings are the basis for your circle of friends. Its sad really.

Its you that leads the fantasy life.

You only really live when you have a budweiser and a golf club in your hand, chasing Joker around a cart.

I am sure you are still waiting for the next event so you can have friends again.

Maybe you can buy golf fees for the entire group next time. Buying friendship is something that seems to come naturally to you.
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I'm going to be with at least 85K friends this weekend at the races in Fontucky ! :00hour

People of all sorts, race fans come in all shapes, all colors all persuasions, regardless of what some myopic elitists around here say.

Go #17 Go Ford Racing :toast:
 

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Wayne, what does this mean, exactly. The waivers mean that these companies don't HAVE to provide insurance to the numbers mentioned above, so that they can continue to provide insurance to others in the company? Is that it? I don't really understand the nuances of this, so really curious.

If this is in fact the situation, aren't these decisions elective for each of the companies? And they would be chosing not to insure these people, which is pretty much what they do now, decide whether to provide insurance for employees as a matter of doing business? Kind of a competitive thing, right? So, some of these companies could revise their business model to allow for this, cut expenses in other areas (say upper management, building a new McDonalds on every other street corner, etc.)? Couldn't these companies use this as a strategy to provide better benefits, making the company a more desirable place to work, attracting the better employees?

Just some random thoughts and questions. I really do want to understand what's happening.
 

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It is amazing the twisted way you think about things.

It sounds like the only friends you have are the ones you have met at golf outings at madjacks.
Its like drunken outings are the basis for your circle of friends. Its sad really.

Its you that leads the fantasy life.

You only really live when you have a budweiser and a golf club in your hand, chasing Joker around a cart.

I am sure you are still waiting for the next event so you can have friends again.

Maybe you can buy golf fees for the entire group next time. Buying friendship is something that seems to come naturally to you.
You couldn't be more wrong about DTB. Jesus!
 
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