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hopefully none of you ever, ever, ever have to go through anything like this, but i feel like i need to share it so people are aware. i'm going to try to make a long story as short as possible.

on tuesday, my GF's mom (we'll call her barbara) was released from the hospital. it was her 3rd time there this month. she's been in pretty bad health. they told her it was time to discuss palliative care. so my GF gets to the hospital to pick her up. she sees pretty quickly that her mom is struggling just to get dressed. there is something posted on the wall that says "daily walk." the last day on it was saturday. she questions whether her mom should be released. her mom insists she's ok, and the nurse says she's good to go.
they get to barbara's apartment. it takes her 20 minutes just to get out of the car. it's about a 20' walk to the door. barbara doesn't make it. she collapsed, gasping for breath. she stopped breathing just as the EMTs arrived. (that part of it is another frustrating story all to itself). she had a DNR.
ok, that's bad enough. we're still somewhat incensed that the hospital let her go in that condition. although, knowing barbara, we think she may have insisted they release her. but here's the part that.... i don't even have the words.
so the EMTs are there. 4 sheriff's deputies are there. barbara is there, on the sidewalk of an apartment complex. the deputies are not allowed to move the body. and, because the death happened in a public place, the EMTs were not allowed to move the body. they literally left. at least they had a sheet to cover the body. the deputies were pissed. they called their supervisor to try to get the EMTs back to take the body. no luck.
barbara was on that damn sidewalk for just over 2 hours before the coroner got there with a body bag, and they were allowed to bring her into the apartment, where she stayed for another hour before the funeral home took her.
this whole thing started around 5:15, so people were getting home from work, and there were kids around. i can't even imagine what this was doing to my GF, as people were just gawking at her dead mom on the sidewalk.
god forbid this happens to anyone who reads this. and, of course, sometimes this shit is out of our control. it's also possible that the policies of your local EMTs and police are different. but if you do ever find yourself in a similar situation, i guess just do everything you can to get them into their home.
 

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Sorry to hear. I never heard of anything like that. Unreal. Like WTF?!
 

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Your corner's got other grieving; going to be a primary, immediate concern.

If the energy is there, you can try to address what the proper procedures were, in place at time, see if they were followed, and then try to foment some changes as required. Sounds like certain discretionary requirements, at least, need to be resolved.

The deputies there, and the EMT's, are just the monkeys and need to follow the rules, right or wrong. You might need to take it up with the organ grinders.

Monkeys can sometimes be agreeable and compassionate, so hopefully that was the case.

For overkill (avoid my Xmas card list), my mom was named Barbara and died three years ago today. I guess I missed my candle light--meant for me BDay or 27th--but I kept a flickering flame going with other combustibles.

Be well
 

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What the fuck?

So many things that happened there that should not have happened.

Sheesh.
 

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guys, thank you for the kind words.

my GF is an only child, so everything that needs to be done is falling on her. she spent all morning trying to cancel her mom's things (subscriptions, utilities, etc) and we spent the afternoon and evening packing up the apartment so we can move everything out of there tomorrow. because, of course, the rent is due on the first, and you'd better believe they're still gonna charge us for june if we're not out of there before then. $1,400 for a one bedroom. but they're one of the few places that takes dogs, and she had a dog. (don't worry, kick, we think we've already found him a home. which is a huge relief, because he's a 14-year old rat terrier.)

anyway, one more lesson that i wanted to share, and it's one we all know. if you have an elderly parent (or you are an elderly parent), make sure someone has power of attorney, and all the other good stuff (passwords, account info, etc). my GF kept putting it off. she swore she was going to do it once her mom got home this time, because they were discussing palliative care. luckily, she did already have access to her mom's email and, incredibly, was able to guess her mom's password for her phone. otherwise, this would be an even bigger nightmare.

extrapolater, i apologize for the coincidence. i almost went with "gail." maybe i should have. i am fairly confident that everybody followed their procedures correctly. i really got the sense that the issue was the policies themselves. and i'm certain that there are good reasons for those policies. but it blows my mind that there's not a way to work within those policies (or around them) to at least move a body from the sidewalk to her apartment that is 5' away. i don't know what a reasonable amount of time is, but it sure the hell is under 2 hours.

oh, and yes, the deputies were very compassionate. they were clearly frustrated when the EMTs left without the body. a couple of them stayed even after the coroner got there, so they must have been there nearly the full 3 hours. i had almost no interaction with the EMTs, but my GF told me additional information yesterday. apparently the first to arrive on the scene was a supervisor of some sort. he was in an SUV, not the ambulance. he pulled into the parking lot and told a woman that he was looking for a woman who had fallen. my GF, with her mother gasping for air, hears this and yells "i'm over here!" they ignored her and continued talking. my GF yells again "i'm over here!" the woman yelled back at her, something along the lines of "shut up, he's looking for a woman who has fallen." i wasn't there yet, so i don't know where the miscommunication was, but holy fucking shit. no idea if the 15 seconds of stupidity made a difference, but maybe it did.
 

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And I was going to respond to all the stuff above, but just so much fucked up shit with the whole situation, some stuff above makes no sense at all.


Sounds like lawsuit time if ya ask me.
 

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(or you are an elderly parent), make sure someone has power of attorney, and all the other good stuff (passwords, account info, etc). my GF kept putting it off.
Been dragging my feet for years. I finally went to a lawyer last July but never followed up.

You're in a nightmare that I don't want for my wife and kids. Crypto is tough one. I don't even know where to start because the lawyer I saw wasn't helpful at all. That's another thread that I'll start soon.

Again. Sorry that your GF and you are having to go through all this. Thanks for the wakeup call.
 
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This story makes me sick. Cant imagine what your gf is going thru. I have my elderly mother living with me now . I have power of attorney but don’t know the passwords to her 20 some odd streaming services and other stuff. Thx for the heads up. Didn’t think of it
 

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hopefully none of you ever, ever, ever have to go through anything like this, but i feel like i need to share it so people are aware. i'm going to try to make a long story as short as possible.

on tuesday, my GF's mom (we'll call her barbara) was released from the hospital. it was her 3rd time there this month. she's been in pretty bad health. they told her it was time to discuss palliative care. so my GF gets to the hospital to pick her up. she sees pretty quickly that her mom is struggling just to get dressed. there is something posted on the wall that says "daily walk." the last day on it was saturday. she questions whether her mom should be released. her mom insists she's ok, and the nurse says she's good to go.
they get to barbara's apartment. it takes her 20 minutes just to get out of the car. it's about a 20' walk to the door. barbara doesn't make it. she collapsed, gasping for breath. she stopped breathing just as the EMTs arrived. (that part of it is another frustrating story all to itself). she had a DNR.
ok, that's bad enough. we're still somewhat incensed that the hospital let her go in that condition. although, knowing barbara, we think she may have insisted they release her. but here's the part that.... i don't even have the words.
so the EMTs are there. 4 sheriff's deputies are there. barbara is there, on the sidewalk of an apartment complex. the deputies are not allowed to move the body. and, because the death happened in a public place, the EMTs were not allowed to move the body. they literally left. at least they had a sheet to cover the body. the deputies were pissed. they called their supervisor to try to get the EMTs back to take the body. no luck.
barbara was on that damn sidewalk for just over 2 hours before the coroner got there with a body bag, and they were allowed to bring her into the apartment, where she stayed for another hour before the funeral home took her.
this whole thing started around 5:15, so people were getting home from work, and there were kids around. i can't even imagine what this was doing to my GF, as people were just gawking at her dead mom on the sidewalk.
god forbid this happens to anyone who reads this. and, of course, sometimes this shit is out of our control. it's also possible that the policies of your local EMTs and police are different. but if you do ever find yourself in a similar situation, i guess just do everything you can to get them into their home.



Blood clot?
 

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no idea if the 15 seconds of stupidity made a difference, but maybe it did.

Amazing how fast shit can get fucked up.
Stupidity can travel halfway around the world before wisdom can even find its shoes.
Paraphrasing, but the damage that an instant can bring is the thought.

Only child is a lot of responsibility. My more competent, older sister has undoubtedly got the keys for my father's departure. Not looking forward to whatever grudge match might develop between my brother-in-law and I, as I've witnessed the chaos that can ensue between siblings post-parental. Where is my power button?

Lotsa hugs helps.
 
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Been dragging my feet for years. I finally went to a lawyer last July but never followed up.

You're in a nightmare that I don't want for my wife and kids. Crypto is tough one. I don't even know where to start because the lawyer I saw wasn't helpful at all. That's another thread that I'll start soon.

Again. Sorry that your GF and you are having to go through all this. Thanks for the wakeup call.
I never thought about crypto situation, going to have to figure that out myself.

hope you and your gf get it all figured out smitty
 
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the good news is we got the apartment cleaned out. the bad news is that we can't get her mom's car to start. tried jumping it. it took a while to build up a charge, but it finally turned over just a little. wouldn't start though. put a new battery in it this morning... and no dice. doesn't turn over at all. now it really sounds like the starter is the issue. of course she still owed about $2,500 on it. we're debating between getting it towed to a shop or just abandoning it and telling the bank they can have it. hate to do that, but it would be one less thing for us to have to deal with.

ok, and you can make what you want to out of this. her mom had this handheld Freecell game. it was on the dining room table while we were cleaning up the apartment. we sat down to eat and suddenly the game... kind of turned itself on. basically the display was entirely on. there is a field for "cards remaining." with everything lit up, that field read "88." now, of course you can't have 88 cards left. but... here's where it gets a little weird... back when my GF was young, they lived in NC. her mom had a CB radio and liked to chat with truckers to pass the time. in CB slang 88 means "hugs and kisses." goosebumps anyone?

Been dragging my feet for years. I finally went to a lawyer last July but never followed up.

You're in a nightmare that I don't want for my wife and kids. Crypto is tough one. I don't even know where to start because the lawyer I saw wasn't helpful at all. That's another thread that I'll start soon.

Again. Sorry that your GF and you are having to go through all this. Thanks for the wakeup call.
we all know we need to set this stuff up, but we don't want to deal with it (or even think about it) for obvious reasons. i'm guilty of it myself. been meaning to get things set up for a few years now. part of the problem is that i don't really know how i want things divvied up.

one more thing i'll add... to makes things as easy as possible for those you leave behind... set up a trust. it spells out exactly what happens to your assets (just like a will), but it doesn't need to be probated. assuming the laws for that are the same in each state, it's even easier than if there was a will.

now my GF is trying to find the will. her mom swore it was in her file cabinet, but no luck so far. it's not in a file marked "will" or anything like that. so now she's gotta search everything.
This story makes me sick. Cant imagine what your gf is going thru. I have my elderly mother living with me now . I have power of attorney but don’t know the passwords to her 20 some odd streaming services and other stuff. Thx for the heads up. Didn’t think of it
hmmmm... i don't remember seeing your mom on your PJ flight to vegas. surely you didn't leave her behind! :)

yeah, passwords are huge. especially things like her phone and laptop (if she has a password on them) and email. oh, and make sure you have info on all her accounts, if you don't already.
 
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Blood clot?
you're not going to believe this, but a building fell on her.

(inside joke, that a few of you will enjoy. :))

the short answer is that because of her age and myriad health issues, they decided an autopsy wasn't required. so we don't know exactly.

the immediate factors were a bad heart valve (that they couldn't replace), congestive heart failure, and she was just getting over pneumonia. she was bad enough that she had oxygen in her apartment and a mobile tank for going out. in fact, when her mom collapsed, my GF ran into the apartment and grabbed the oxygen, but it didn't help.

so i think the prevailing assumption is that her heart finally said "enough." we have the death certificate now, and i'm kinda curious what they listed as the cause of death. maybe i'll take a look.
 
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I’m an expert in end of life, DNR, palliative care, going home with terminal people, hospice etc etc. not because I want to be but because of my profession for many years and my own personal experiences. Every situation is different. If anybody ever needs advice or has questions or think something is wrong or doesn’t make sense, feel free to ask. Jack can lmk if I don’t see the message here.

I’m a huge proponent of people who are sick or elderly living in their own homes as long as humanly possible even if there are multiple failures. I’m also all for people doing what they want even if it’s not recommended by the healthcare providers or case managers.

I’m sorry the mom here had the indignity of having to stay on a sidewalk after death. No idea why? I’m quite sure the “authorities” were completely wrong here. No reason for that to be a coroner’s case whatsoever. Obv no wrong-doing in a terminal person who was just trying to go home. That’s some major bs, and it served no purpose whatsoever. Common sense has to prevail sometimes!
 
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