14 defining characteristics of fascism

The Sponge

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this is why the interenet is so much fun for spy and spongy....

it gives the ill-informed the spit shined appearance of looking legitimate (i.e. truthers, holocaust deniers, and other assorted history revisionists)....

all they have to do is link to another website or wacademic ideologue`s opinion article in the same vein of thought and "bam!!", it's now a 'fact backed up by evidence....

until weasel goes all "joe mccarthy" on `em....

:D

You calling anyone ill-informed is about as funny as it gets.
 

Nosigar

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lol- yep, always been the 'argument', such that it is. Simply pathetic.

Here we go again.

Hitler was liberal because his government controlled all or most aspects of society. Plain and simple definition of liberalism. The fact that he hated USSR and Stalin doesn't make him a conservative.

Nationalism is not obligatorily a sign of right politics. Most populist socialists utilize nationalism as their main tool.

Benito (creator of fascism) was most definitely a socialist, and a communist. All liberals in the US and Europe loved Benito in the 30's. Heck, the trains ran on tiime... in friggin' Italy!!

Hitler was not a socialist, though. The liberals would still be making excuses for him if he had been.
 

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Since you seemed to somehow miss this the first time, Nosigar....


But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right.
 

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Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective (i.e. public) ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services, some of which have been developed into more or less highly articulated theories and/or praxis. In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term, socialism is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done with the goal of creating a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.
 
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Here we go again.

No, not here we go again. At least not me.

We did this 4 years ago and your nonsense about Hitler being a 'liberal' :mj07: was totally blown out of the water, as it is again in this thread. No interest in doing it again.

It's the most ridiculous thing i've ever read.
 

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Hitler was liberal because his government controlled all or most aspects of society. Plain and simple definition of liberalism.

You couldn't be more wrong. At the very least, just admit that you are wrong about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism
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Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.[2] All liberals ? as well as some adherents of other political ideologies ? support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3]
Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Social progressivism, the belief that traditions do not carry any inherent value and social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, is a common component of liberal ideology. Liberalism is also strongly associated with the belief that human society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable rights. Different schools of liberalism are based on different conceptions of human rights, but there are some rights that all liberals support to some extent, including rights to life, liberty, and property.
Within liberalism there are two major streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and have been known to clash on many issues as they differ on their understanding of what constitutes freedom. Classical liberals, believe that the only real freedom is freedom from coercion.[4] As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals and favor laissez-faire economic policy. They oppose the welfare state.[5] Social liberals argue that governments must take an active role in promoting the freedom of citizens. They believe that real freedom can only exist when citizens are healthy, educated, and free from dire poverty. They generally favor the right to an education, the right to health care, and the right to a minimum wage. Some also favor laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, including unemployment benefit and housing for the homeless, all supported by progressive taxation.[4]
 

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You couldn't be more wrong. At the very least, just admit that you are wrong about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.[2] All liberals ? as well as some adherents of other political ideologies ? support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3]
Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Social progressivism, the belief that traditions do not carry any inherent value and social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, is a common component of liberal ideology. Liberalism is also strongly associated with the belief that human society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable rights. Different schools of liberalism are based on different conceptions of human rights, but there are some rights that all liberals support to some extent, including rights to life, liberty, and property.
Within liberalism there are two major streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and have been known to clash on many issues as they differ on their understanding of what constitutes freedom. Classical liberals, believe that the only real freedom is freedom from coercion.[4] As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals and favor laissez-faire economic policy. They oppose the welfare state.[5] Social liberals argue that governments must take an active role in promoting the freedom of citizens. They believe that real freedom can only exist when citizens are healthy, educated, and free from dire poverty. They generally favor the right to an education, the right to health care, and the right to a minimum wage. Some also favor laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, including unemployment benefit and housing for the homeless, all supported by progressive taxation.[4]

brother...not the greatest source....anybody can and does throw stuff against that wall...

"As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals and favor laissez-faire economic policy. They oppose the welfare state".....


seriously...wtf is this?..."oppose the welfare state?"...

"see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals economic freedom""....

aren`t some dems in congress proposing the take over of oil companies?.....

:SIB
 

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I'm just providing the definition of liberalism, Weasel. There is not much to argue about unless you like to dispute things like 2 + 2 equalling 4. I'm not claiming that modern US democrats are good liberals or that liberalism is realistic without some adjustments. Can do the the same with conservatism.
 

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brother...not the greatest source....anybody can and does throw stuff against that wall...

"As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals and favor laissez-faire economic policy. They oppose the welfare state".....


seriously...wtf is this?..."oppose the welfare state?"...

"see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals economic freedom""....

aren`t some dems in congress proposing the take over of oil companies?.....

:SIB

this one better, Wease?


lib?er?al?ism (lbr--lzm, lbr-)
n.
1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.
liber?al?ist n.
liber?al?istic (-lstk) adj.


liberalism
1. a political or social philosophy advocating the f reedom of the individual, parliamentary legislatures, governmental assurances of civil liberties and individual rights, and nonviolent modification of institutions to permit continued individual and social progress.
2. the principles and practice of a liberal political party. ? liberalist, n., adj. ? liberalistic, adj.
See also: Politics
a movement in modern Protestantism that emphasizes freedom from tradition and authority, the adjustment of religious beliefs to scientific conceptions, and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity. ? liberalist, n., adj. ? liberalistic, adj.
 

gardenweasel

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you`re talking about "real" liberalism,reds...jfk/roosevelt liberalism...

not contemporary liberalism...

this is a corupted liberal culture...you guys have screwed up the key precepts of liberalism so that you no longer know what they are, let alone stand ready to defend them to the death....

yeah,...i agree "authentic" liberalism was a doctrine of social progress based on maximising the good in people?s behaviour and minimising the bad....

but that meant that it depended upon making the moral distinctions between good and bad....

unfortunately,those distinctions have been trashed by a combination of hyper-individualism(see gmro) which grew out of liberalism ....

it`s basically marxism...and it`s shit on the concepts of objectivity ,authority and the judeo-christian moral codes that underpin western values and substituted emotion, subjectivity,moral and cultural relativism and political correctness....

theres no objectivity whatsoever...every oppressed group becomes another "noble savage" myth... that violent, backwards societies are somehow more in-tune with nature and the world and therefore better than the modern (i.e. western) people.....

wrap up whatever oppressive/ authoritarian concepts you want in some non-western tradition(islam?) and you get something that dreamy leftists will rally around....

to you guys,the very idea that we, the guilty and racist west, could ever have an enemy that that has brown skin is impossible....

it's not even allowed to be considered.....everybody knows that people with brown skin-tones are the victims of the world and we are their oppressors,..

period....

you see,you all learned that in college...every educated person know this......

they are poor because we are rich...they are miserable because we are happy....

end of story....






/they think weasel doesn`t understand them?...
:nono:

oh,yes he does...:yup

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