19 American soldiers killed in Iraq since Saturday

gardenweasel

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bryanz?.......i`m a shithead?........does this mean i`m off your christmas list?....

wowwie........talk about your over reaction....whew,,,,,.:scared

..i feel like a biz-nitch...i`m sorry...:sadwave:

look...we`re both viktims of the publick edumacation systum........

we cool?
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Don't know about your stats Smurph but have no reason to doubt you.

Bottom line is we are fighting 2 wars and don't need a draft--I think that pretty well sums it up.

Would think those with Eddie Haskell mindset would be tickled pink--they can continue to live where its warm.:)
 

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Don't know about your stats Smurph but have no reason to doubt you.

Bottom line is we are fighting 2 wars and don't need a draft--I think that pretty well sums it up.

Would think those with Eddie Haskell mindset would be tickled pink--they can continue to live where its warm.:)

The number of troops we have in Afghanistan is embarrassingly low. We had that place, and now we're losing huge areas to Taliban and opium warlords. Afghanistan was crucial. I wish we went in there with some real numbers and thoroughly crushed anything affiliated with Taliban, Al Qaeda, or the opium trade. We had every right to and very strong domestic and international support. It was our war to win, and we fked it up by going in weak and then making the tremendous tactical error of going after Iraq.
 

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Oh, man!!

Now I find out my sarcasm detector is on the blink as well!! :cry:
It's gunna be a tough couple of months I can tell...


Just an interesting point when it comes to all the deaths th military are facing...

...I watched a doco on the "Black Hawk Down" situation in Somalia.
Was really good actually, interviews with a heap of surviving soldiers/rangers/special ops...loads of real footage...

...anyway, the point being that after they went through all that...lost 17 (I think?) men...THEY were the ones who were most pissed off about being withdrawn.
To them it ammounted to losing men for nothing. Why do it in the first place?

...which does raise a very interesting question, as to when is enough enough?

I mean obviously that's why you must go into a war with plan a, b, c, double d and triple x...but seeing as we didn't...

...it's always going to be a tough call from now on.
 

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"...anyway, the point being that after they went through all that...lost 17 (I think?) men...THEY were the ones who were most pissed off about being withdrawn.
To them it ammounted to losing men for nothing. Why do it in the first place?"
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Thank you Mr C
The very point I've been trying to put accross.

Wish we had this forum back when we went in Somloia--You would have seen me give Bill a standing ovation for going in--don't put any blame on him for fiasco that followed as that is on the those in military that planned it--where I climbed on with both feet is when he withdrew letting them drag our troops through street and set them on fire.

Was very good observation about troops attitude on giving 110% in any situation unless they know they lost lives for nothing.

Was glad to hear you like the documentary on it.
Most movies on wars especially Viet Nam or so phoney I detest them.

If you ever get the chance--watch -Tears in the Sun. While it is not based on actual occurance I don'tbelieve--it probably projects military far more accurately than most movies. I guarantee you'll like it.
 

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bryanz?.......i`m a shithead?........does this mean i`m off your christmas list?....

wowwie........talk about your over reaction....whew,,,,,.:scared

..i feel like a biz-nitch...i`m sorry...:sadwave:

look...we`re both viktims of the publick edumacation systum........

we cool?

Yes you are and you were never on , I may be cool but you are hot and there are REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT WANT TO KISS YOU. What is this stuff about viktims of the publick edumacation systum ??????? I guess it's you being a shit head. I had you at hello, I figured, you were a victim of something. I can't sympathize, I'm not a victim. You don't even have a clue do you ? Kind of like your boy Bush. Let me know when you want a wake up call.
 

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Ok, which is it...we're fighting two wars, or just the one war on terror, which has no boundaries, legitimacies, or rules? Now, for the sake of argument, we are fighting two wars?

Of course, smurph is right, we essentially blew off the first war - the one we should have been in and done with by now - for reasons only the Bush administration really knows. Our handling of however many wars we are in now is embarrassing, and if a person can not either see that, or admit that, well, that is just not facing real life.

Smurph also nails the enlistment situation, as there has to be new blood (literally) to meet the objectives of this administration. The old blood is starting to get it now, and you have to let in new people you said originally were not up to standard to fight for this country. I guess these people are ok now...might as well lower those standards to meet the lowering standards of this administration.

The other way Bush can continue to occupy Iraq and fight his secondary concern of Bin Laden and the people who actually attacked us, is to hold over National Guardsmen and women, and other branch members of our service for two, three, sometimes more terms of service that they did not sign on for. I can't personally imagine what that must feel like...probably why the many returning servicemen and women are now running for public office under the democrat banner. That says a lot, in my mind. Vast majority, I believe. Wonder why?

Still waiting to see what the war supporters think will constitute winning the war in Iraq and accomplishing whatever it is you think we can accomplish.

Surprising none of you well spoken, thoughtful fellows seem to be able to step up to the plate on that one. Nobody, including the administration, seem to be able to formulate anything that makes any sense. I understand that...I can't come up with a damn thing either.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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"Of course, smurph is right, we essentially blew off the first war"
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Hmm let see what blew off involves.

Accomlished the following in days
Removed Taliban from power
End UBL terrorist training camps
Confined UBL and Co to caves.
in months that followed
Installed new gov
Improved plight of women and children 100%
And now have afagan troops -U.S. troops--and Nato pursuing remnents of enemy that once ran the largest training operation and support for terrorist.

Wonder if conquering this terrorist haven and converting it to democracy with now 3 entities keeping them at bay made the free world any safer--nah probably not :)
 

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We did not SECURE Afghanistan and YOU KNOW THAT. Of course we could initially take out the Taliban - that part was as easy as defeating Saddam's army. But you know very well we haven't done nearly enough to maintain security.

If everything you just said is true , then why is Taliban making such a big comeback? Why are the opium warlords continuing to do such big business? Why are our own casualties on the rise?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/afghanistan/index.html
 

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Of course I'm talking about after the initial shock and awe. Much like I assume Iraq will end up, our efforts in Afghanistan are becoming more transparent every day. We did not accomplish our main goal of finding Bin Laden, and our pulling the majority of our troops from there to go into Iraq has shown what that choice has really meant. smurph shows the link ( I didn't read that one - in a hurry - but have read several I'm sure are much like it. The people we supposedly took out of power seem to be operating more and more unobstructed, and are doing more and more damage. Not much we can do at this point, is there? Not with the choices the administration has made.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Why would you say main goal was capturig UBL??

Would you rather we captured UBL and taliban still in power with terrorist training camps everywhere or would you rather have taken gov from taliban--have no terrorist training openly and ubl confined to reclusive domain?

I don't expect to see UBL again till his 08 election endoresment :)
 
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