2 dog days

loophole

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gee, doc, i'm so familiar with the abstract essence of "dickheadedness" that i could have swore the word previosly existed. maybe not.

ps - i rilly like sandy ego. do u like sandy ego 2? check __yes __no. yer pal loophole.

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Deer Sur:

Yes, Santiago is appealing but Maddux is a real home court stopper. 11-3 at home in spite of the Bravo's losing record at home, 29-31, to be eggzact. Maddux is 53-19. 2.34 at Turner. Tollberg is also on a really nice streak, has definitely "outpitched" Maddux in L3 games (WHIP 0.84, exactly half Maddux' 1.66) and maybe the under is the best play here except that Phillips is an over ump. Bravos are 1-9 under in L10 games. Hmmmm.

I do think that in spite of a mildly weak patch, Maddux is the pitcher better capable of making a "statement" in this situation and the only worry is that he might have a lingering muscle pull from earlier in the season. Last time I predicted that, I believe he threw a 2 or 3 hitter, though. Maddux has a 7:1 K:BB ration and Tollberg 4:1. Neither is too bad.

Tonight, my best guess is 4-0 Braves.

GL

J
 

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thanks doc, hard to argue with any of that. agree with your thoughts on the total that the under would seem the only way to go but refuse to play into phillips. just appears to me to be a bad postion for the inconsistent bravo bats against the hot tollberg and decent padres. gonna try the pads for a unit and if i lose i darn well hope i lose by two or more.

btw, love vazquez tonight.
 

jng

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Love Vasquez and played him w you.
6-1 looks good right now.
Later games:
Sea
Sea under
Ana
Oak

J

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get a life randercity. you are a loser. to attack kosar like that is so weak. by opening up your mouth, you have removed all doubt as to how intelligent you are. hats off to you kosar for not responding as you should, you show much more class.
 

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I think he's 'created' arguments in the past with each 'other' to try and throw people off, but I have it from a good source that Kosar is actually Mr. PD...
 

Randercity

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doug... I did not attack him, merely made an observation and a comment. If you re-read my first comments, there was no malice involved.

I simply didn't understand who he was referring to, or what point he was trying to make since I thought most people who follow baseball realize +130 dogs hitting are common. I thought he may have been referencing my comment
As NICK has mentioned, FLETCHER has noticed that it is EXTREMELY rare for TWO huge dogs to hit in the same day for whatever reason. Therefore, if playing this theory, I would consider passing on DET if MILW wins the afternoon contest at CHICAGO.
since it appeared in my thread NEW DOG SYSTEM http://www.madjacksports.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/009307.html on Monday, the day before he started this thread. I then made a suggestion for him to use the larger dogs as a basis, which I felt would be a greater help to the forum.

btw... I know how CLEVELAND just loves their BERNIE, but guess what?? This isn't him!
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And as far as me having a life, no need to worry doug, I do. This forum is a part of that life, and I enjoy interacting with most of the people here. My intellect is not affected in anyway by the thoughts or opinions of others, so need to worry yourself. The fact you come to kosar's defense is admirable, if in fact you're not the same person, which would be sick and scary. I'll ignore the childish name-calling, and in the future, you may want to OMIT it yourself when trying to demonstrate how 'another' lacks class...

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A couple points here.....

First of all, Loophole, I absolutely and unequivocally agree with everything you addressed in your post, epecially the following excerpt: "I would much rather see an exchange of ideas, a dialectic or debate if you will, of thoughts on handicapping rather than a list of plays as i feel the former assists me much more personally in my ultimate goal of playing a higher percentage of winners." Count me in along with the minority here. Exchanging ideas and thoughts: quite a novel concept.

Secondly, I know Kosar quite well and he is as knowledable on the subject of sportsbetting and has as much to offer as anybody on this board. I don't want to speak for him, but I feel relatively safe in saying that he subscribes to the same theory as loophole (and myself). The REAL power of a forum such as this is in the exchange of ideas, information, concepts and strategies. Unfotunately there has been a decline in interest, in regards to this, among the masses. Slapping up a list of plays every few days or so, in my opinion, has little value. My grandmother can do that. And at the end of the day, what have you learned, what have you acquired that will make you a more successful (profitable) sports bettor? Nothing. But those are the threads that are the most popular. Why? Because people want winners and they want them NOW. Nevermind the reasoning. It's easy, there's no thinking involved, and it requires little time. Short-term satisfaction, plain and simple. I really don't have a problem with this. To each his own. What DOES bother me is when somebody DOES start a thread that may lead to a positive debate, it either goes unnoticed or it is blasted, as was the case here, and followed by "gimme more info if you don't mind". A typically simple, effortless, and thoughtless response.

I've already posted my thoughts on the "2 dog days" theory in another thread, so I'm going to refrain for now from repeating it, but I cannot believe that the legitmacy of hedging two totally independant plays is still being tossed about. With all due respect to Fletcher, his theory of "taking the profit and going home when 1 dog hits" holds no water. The only way this concept would be logical is if, for example, showing a profit "at the end of the day" meant whether or not your gas and lights would be shut off the following day. If this isn't the case, then this theory makes little sense, especially in regards to securing long-term profit. If you find that a play has value, then the results of a totally unrelated event should have no bearing on this perception of value. It either has value or it does not have value. And quite frankly, I don't see the point in coming up with a precise number of the frequency in which this happens. If the theory itself is illogical, than the data supporting said theory is rendered illogical. As Kosar mentioned: "My post was in part meant to illustrate the folly of hedging totally independent bets because 'it just can't happen 2x in one day'." Exactly! His post was not intended to come up with a figure which could be applied, it was to dispell the notion above. The numbers, in and of themselves, are meaningless. To further illustate my point, I would have exactly the same interest in knowing "the percentage of times a 'big' dog hit after one hit earlier in the day" as I would in knowing "the percentage of times a 'big' dog hit after the Pope sneezed." There is no correlation in either.

Lastly, I want to say that my intentions of this post were not to defend or offend anybody. My interest is solely in a place whereby we can all share our ideas (whether they are right or wrong) in a civil manner to make ourselves better gamblers. If somebody has something to offer, no matter how trivial, this place should be a platform where they feel comfortable sharing it. If somebody has something to offer, I wanna hear it, and perhaps, LEARN from it. After all, isn't that what it's all about?
 

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Loophole, JR44, Doug,

Thanks. I can always count on a few like-minded gamblers to understand where I am coming from. Strangely enough, those people are almost always the sharpest guys around. This time is no exception.

Some people get it, and some people don't. I've always maintained(still trying to convince JR of this..lol) that it is basically a waste of time and effort for those of us that don't throw a bunch of picks up there to even bring up all of the other things, the REAL things that make a sports bettor successful. As JR said, nobody wants to talk about THAT stuff. Just show me the picks, BAYYYYYYBEEEEEE. Or at least do some more work for me, even though I considered your previous, similar stuff 'worthless and trivial'. Ha! Yeah right, i'll get right on it.

And Profitcity, unless I was looking at a cloned Kosar out in Vegas last year, I can say with some certainty that I am not Doug. He's a very knowledgable, class act who you could learn a lot from.
 
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