200 Grand for not interviewing a minority candidate???
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Nick you are correct I am not a racist. Just pointing out some truths. At least at this time folks say this is what is happening to them. Im simplie saying the laws are not going to change. Everyone looking for that to happen can for get it. The NFL rule used here seems a bit strange. I would say interview anyone you wish. It's like the woman for President hang up. I few folks here have said god what would have happen with 9/11 if we had a lady for President. Ever win a fight with your wife. Ever see to woman fight. There worse then men. You have to pull-em apart they might kill each other. So that is just BS to. Heck maybe the NFL should have it you have to interview a gal to. 
He should have followed the rules. Interview the minority candidates. It's not that hard. Even if you already know who you are going to hire, all you have to do is go through the motions and aviod the fines. :nooo: Like Dr. said, it is degrading as hell and will probably make them feel inferior.
How would you feel if you got a phone call about a job because of the color of your skin. Hell, I think every coach knows what it takes and knows what credentials are required to be a "real" candidate for a certain position. Have you ever passed up the opportunity to send in a resume because you already knew you weren't qualified? Now, what if you got a call about that same job? (They seeked you out) You already know you aren't qualified, and you also know they are only calling you because of your race. How awkward would you feel then?
The whole thing is stupid, so in the meantime, owners will have to "go through the motions" when they hire a new coach. What's next? Is some 3rd party going to review the resumes to make sure a "realistic" choice was made? :shrug:
Stuman
How would you feel if you got a phone call about a job because of the color of your skin. Hell, I think every coach knows what it takes and knows what credentials are required to be a "real" candidate for a certain position. Have you ever passed up the opportunity to send in a resume because you already knew you weren't qualified? Now, what if you got a call about that same job? (They seeked you out) You already know you aren't qualified, and you also know they are only calling you because of your race. How awkward would you feel then?
The whole thing is stupid, so in the meantime, owners will have to "go through the motions" when they hire a new coach. What's next? Is some 3rd party going to review the resumes to make sure a "realistic" choice was made? :shrug:
Stuman
nick
nick
you have made all the standard arguments for affirmative action whether you agree with it or not....
i agree to an extent......in trying to do the right thing...but,this isn`t a good policy....it has no teeth and ...................hold it...we`re missing the point here...
somebody address one thing.....
who made this policy.....wasn`t it the owners????
who is the policy aimed at?.......isn`t it the owners?.....
who the hell hires the black coaches?....gm`s and staffs do the leg work....but the owners have the last word...
doesn`t anybody see the irony?...
they are imposing silly rules on themselves....rules that mean nothing...
and then have the balls to fine a g.m. that couldn`t get a black guy to be an applicant because the suitable blacks knew it was a
sham and didn`t want any part of it....why weren`t the fords and the organization fined?....how ridiculous....
and again,what about parcells and dallas?
what a joke.....why isn`t everybody laughing instead of some trying to justify this crap....and indirectly pulling the racism card on a fellow poster...
if the owners want more black head coaches......hire more black coaches..........it`s that simple...just do it....they run the show...it`s their ball....
not this bogus end run.... it`s the old misdirection play....
u gotta be kidding....this is ludicrous...
nick
you have made all the standard arguments for affirmative action whether you agree with it or not....
i agree to an extent......in trying to do the right thing...but,this isn`t a good policy....it has no teeth and ...................hold it...we`re missing the point here...
somebody address one thing.....
who made this policy.....wasn`t it the owners????
who is the policy aimed at?.......isn`t it the owners?.....
who the hell hires the black coaches?....gm`s and staffs do the leg work....but the owners have the last word...
doesn`t anybody see the irony?...
they are imposing silly rules on themselves....rules that mean nothing...
and then have the balls to fine a g.m. that couldn`t get a black guy to be an applicant because the suitable blacks knew it was a
sham and didn`t want any part of it....why weren`t the fords and the organization fined?....how ridiculous....
and again,what about parcells and dallas?
what a joke.....why isn`t everybody laughing instead of some trying to justify this crap....and indirectly pulling the racism card on a fellow poster...
if the owners want more black head coaches......hire more black coaches..........it`s that simple...just do it....they run the show...it`s their ball....
not this bogus end run.... it`s the old misdirection play....
u gotta be kidding....this is ludicrous...
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CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME THE LAST TIME GRAMBLING OR HOWARD UNNIVERSITY EVER HAD A WHITE COACH.ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THESE BLACK COLLEGES WOULD HIRE WHITEY TO RUN THERE PROGRAM THE HELL THEY WOULD.WHITE COACH'S DONT EVEN APPLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE ANSWER WHITEY GET TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.RACISM EXIST'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE BUT IF WHITE AMERICA SPEAKS OUT THEY ARE VILLIFIED AND CALLED RACISTS,BUT IDF A BLACK GUY SAYS SOMETHING RACIST LIKE REGGIE WHITE AND CHARLES BARKLEY ITS OH WELL YOU KNOW THOSE GUYS THEY WERE ONLY JOKING AROUND:thefinger WELL I AM ONE WHITE GUY THAT DOESNT LIKE THE DOUBLE STANDARD NICK DOUGLAS IT OBVIOUS TO ME YOU NEVER TOOK A CIVAL SERVICE EXAM OTHERWISE YOU WOULD KNOW HOW THEY HAVE GIVE MINORITIES 20 OR 25 EXTRA POINTS WHAT KIND OF AN EQUAL OPPERTUNITY IS THIS FOR WHITE AMERICANS.THEY SHOULD GO BY THE BEST SCORES PERIOD. (HEBA MAN HOW ABOT WE GO DOWN DERE AND TAKE DA CIVAL SERVICE TESS).IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT ON THE POLICE FORCE NICK DOUGLAS:moon:
ANYBODY WHO DOESNT THINK THERE IS RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOUR SISTER WAS DATING KOBE BRYANT,LEBRON JAMES,BEN WALLACE,OR NICK DOUGLAS WHO WOULD YOU WELCOME WITH OPEN ARMS
ANYBODY WHO DOESNT THINK THERE IS RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOUR SISTER WAS DATING KOBE BRYANT,LEBRON JAMES,BEN WALLACE,OR NICK DOUGLAS WHO WOULD YOU WELCOME WITH OPEN ARMS
Five minority candidates were offered an interview and they all turned it down because they knew it would be a waste of time because the Lions already had their man with Mooch. So what do you do when you invite 5 coaches for interviews and none agree? How do you satisfy this regulation? I would argue that anyone looking for a future position could perhaps learn something from the interview process even if you knew you wouldn't be chosen. But I can also understand why people wouldn't even bother. What happened to the idea that the guy who puts up the money can hire a person of his choice whether it is a Campo or Parcells? What's next - you have to interview a Black, Hispanic, Asian and White? What about a gay coach? If there is one, he would certainly face widespread discrimination and probably never be hired. Do owners have to accommodate that as well? What about a Jew? How many Jews are head coaches in the NFL? Where do you draw the line and what is the rationalization?
in my example of the minority construction co. and the non minority owned co. I left out the most important point, even though we are granted some contracts because of the minority status, the core of the crews working on either company jobs is the same and the make up of that is approx. 60/40 w/whites being the larger of the groups. That core make up is not because of any guidelines, it is simply because they are the BEST workers, and they generate the most PROFIT for the companies and myself. That is all I care about. If you can walk it like you talk it, red,white, black, yellow or plaid, male or female, that's all that matters and thats all that should matter.
The hardest workers on anything I am involved in at the moment are def. the Brazilians, much respect for them they have risen the quickest thru hard work and dedication, not because of quotas or guidelines, MERIT only, and it is well deserved.
The hardest workers on anything I am involved in at the moment are def. the Brazilians, much respect for them
they have risen the quickest thru hard work and dedication, not because of quotas or guidelines, MERIT only, and it is well deserved.
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My argument was in favor of the NFL policy for hiring head coaches, not all forms of affirmative action. I know that the arguments are similar, but I believe NFL head coaches to be a specific case where this type of thing is warranted. I don't believe that it is warranted everywhere and in many cases it is downright conterproductive and unfair.
It's not hard to find examples of minority head coaching candidates having a tougher go of it. Where is Art Shell on head coaching lists? He led the Raiders to the AFC championship game. Was Dennis Green as sought after as, say, Steve Mariucci or Bill Parcells? Green led his team to something like 8 straight .500+ seasons, which is nearly unheard of in today's NFL, yet he is clearly not given the respect of the top white head coaches. It was far more difficult for Marvin Lewis or Tony Dungy to get head coaching positions than comparably qualified white coordinators. What about Romeo Cromell or Ted Cottrell right now?
I actually hate to cite these specific examples because specific examples by themselves are hardly proof that a league-wide policy needs to be introduced. The problem is that it is a chronic problem and the perception that minorities are better fits as coordinators or position coaches is very real. Those are the salient points of *this* argument.
And by the way, yes, I have taken a civil service test and I did get hired for a federal job after taking that test.
It's not hard to find examples of minority head coaching candidates having a tougher go of it. Where is Art Shell on head coaching lists? He led the Raiders to the AFC championship game. Was Dennis Green as sought after as, say, Steve Mariucci or Bill Parcells? Green led his team to something like 8 straight .500+ seasons, which is nearly unheard of in today's NFL, yet he is clearly not given the respect of the top white head coaches. It was far more difficult for Marvin Lewis or Tony Dungy to get head coaching positions than comparably qualified white coordinators. What about Romeo Cromell or Ted Cottrell right now?
I actually hate to cite these specific examples because specific examples by themselves are hardly proof that a league-wide policy needs to be introduced. The problem is that it is a chronic problem and the perception that minorities are better fits as coordinators or position coaches is very real. Those are the salient points of *this* argument.
And by the way, yes, I have taken a civil service test and I did get hired for a federal job after taking that test.
Can someone please answer this question for me.
Is it more of a racist move to:
A- Hire the guy you want right off the bat if he's available for the job?
or
B- Bring in a bunch of minority candidate's to do a token interview,so it will look like your (doing the right thing,ha ha), then hiring the guy you knew you were going to hire in the first place.
I would also like to add, If you (whoever is reading this) were to have the opportunity to own an NFL team , who would you hire? I may look at the world through rose colored glasses but I don't think racism exist to the degree that some here seem to think it does. I think you would hire who you felt would give you the best chance to field a winner. Period.
Is it more of a racist move to:
A- Hire the guy you want right off the bat if he's available for the job?
or
B- Bring in a bunch of minority candidate's to do a token interview,so it will look like your (doing the right thing,ha ha), then hiring the guy you knew you were going to hire in the first place.
I would also like to add, If you (whoever is reading this) were to have the opportunity to own an NFL team , who would you hire? I may look at the world through rose colored glasses but I don't think racism exist to the degree that some here seem to think it does. I think you would hire who you felt would give you the best chance to field a winner. Period.
I can see your points on some of the issues, but the whole issue is freedom of choice and free enterprise.
If a team hires a coach, regardless of color, and the coach does not produce or achieve an acceptable level of success he will be fired and management/ownership will justifiably be held accountable for their choice. Such events will naturally force them to re-evaluate their approach and or broaden their selection process in the future, for better or worse. The hiring of employees in private enterprise should always be purely at the discretion of the employer/owners whose bottom line is directly affected by their choices.
Incorrect choices, fan/media reactions will alter the bottom line and also alter the process in the future. Nature of the Beast.
Denny Green is /was hurt by his teams failures in the playoffs, lack of discipline and over all toughness of his teams. In this specific example he tends to hurt himself regardless of the w/l record.
If a team hires a coach, regardless of color, and the coach does not produce or achieve an acceptable level of success he will be fired and management/ownership will justifiably be held accountable for their choice. Such events will naturally force them to re-evaluate their approach and or broaden their selection process in the future, for better or worse. The hiring of employees in private enterprise should always be purely at the discretion of the employer/owners whose bottom line is directly affected by their choices.
Incorrect choices, fan/media reactions will alter the bottom line and also alter the process in the future. Nature of the Beast.
Denny Green is /was hurt by his teams failures in the playoffs, lack of discipline and over all toughness of his teams. In this specific example he tends to hurt himself regardless of the w/l record.
Dennis Green is a bad coach.
Barry Switzer is a bad coach.
Don't see anyone knocking down Barry's door.
Some people just see one point of view and forever will view the black people as being discriminated against I guess.
Barry Switzer is a bad coach.
Don't see anyone knocking down Barry's door.
Some people just see one point of view and forever will view the black people as being discriminated against I guess.
This is a great debate about affirmative action with good points being made by both sides.
I think that Gardenweasel hit the nail on the head in this case when he called it the old misdirection play. There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the entire world. That is not even enough to draw any reliable sample on. The NFL has Johnnie Cochran on their asses over this minority hiring. They came up with a plan to keep Cochran from suing them. They had to make an example of The Lions in case Cochran does decide to sue. They can then say that they created a rule and that when a team didn't follow it they were heavily fined. In fact not even the team was fined because they have tons of money but the GM was fined to make it look like the fine hurt.
And I don't think Cochran is watching the NFL for any humanitarian reason. We know there is only 32 jobs in the world so how many people can he actually be helping with this? He is in it to keep his name in the paper that's all.
I think that Gardenweasel hit the nail on the head in this case when he called it the old misdirection play. There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the entire world. That is not even enough to draw any reliable sample on. The NFL has Johnnie Cochran on their asses over this minority hiring. They came up with a plan to keep Cochran from suing them. They had to make an example of The Lions in case Cochran does decide to sue. They can then say that they created a rule and that when a team didn't follow it they were heavily fined. In fact not even the team was fined because they have tons of money but the GM was fined to make it look like the fine hurt.
And I don't think Cochran is watching the NFL for any humanitarian reason. We know there is only 32 jobs in the world so how many people can he actually be helping with this? He is in it to keep his name in the paper that's all.
The nfl is forcing tokenism upon its owners, great affirmative action policy. Bring in some token minorities then let the guy who owns the team and who is paying the salaries hire who the want. Why dosent Paul just set a quota for minority head coaches, screw freedom of choice . Paul you must have al sharpton and jesse jackson as your advisors. Nfl owners should start paying some minorities off the street 500 bucks to interview for a head coaching job just to satisfy pauls antifreedom agenda. Maybe its time for Paul to step down and let a minority take his job of course that would require him to practice what he preaches.
I don't know if anyone saw PTI on ESPN yesterday but they had a black sports writer from Detroit on the show that I guess has taken alot of heat about an article he wrote. I didn't read the article personally but will write soem of his quotes to Kornheiser and the guy taking Wilbons place. I also can't remember the writers name also but...
The writer said the whole fine was bogus and a sham. Why wasn't Dallas fined when Jerry Jones did his interviews over the phone and not face to face. He also stated (and I don't believe that noone heard this) that the minority applicants were approached by the rainbow/push coalition NOT TO GO to the interviews. Another statement he made was that Denny Green had talked to Millen about the head coaching job months before Morninwig was fired. HE talked face to face with Millen but only did a telephone interview Jerry Jones and told the NFL he was properly interviewed. HE goes on to say that he felt the NFL and the rainbow coaltion intentionally made Detroit the scapegoat for this bogus mandatory interview process.
Every person in the world knew that once Mariucci become available that he was the guy. He is from Detroit and has proven a good motivator and coach in SF. If I was a minority I wouldn't go do some token interview( if there is truth to the rainbow/push coaltion pulling some strings I say investigate them and sue their asses). I would consider a token interview a slap in the FACE.
TO NICK- Your examples need some work. Denny Green coached in a bad central division (I know I am a Bears fan) and I don't think he had 8 straight season of .500, and what did he do in the playoffs- nothing. Tony Dungy like Green couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs and was probably to loyal to his coaching staff. He did however get a HC job right away. Marvin Lewis was the highest paid defensive coordintor last year and now has a HC job.
The NFL is all about MONEY like I think Freeze posted, it is what have you done for me lately. When the Ravens won the Superbowl it put pressure on coaches to win right now. IF you put in the hardwork you will get a job. Gruden is a good example. This guy since being a lowly assistant has worked tirelessly day and night to better himself and his team. How about Jimmy Johnson not going to his own mothers funeral during the season?
All I know is that if I was NFL owner or any other business owner I wouldn't want soemone telling who to hire or not. I think an owner no matter how big or small has that right to employ who he wants on account this is livelyhood for him and his family. If my business went under for hiring someone not as qualified to settle a quota then the people who want this quota crap better come in pick up pieces and pay me for this quota BS (yeah right).
jc
The writer said the whole fine was bogus and a sham. Why wasn't Dallas fined when Jerry Jones did his interviews over the phone and not face to face. He also stated (and I don't believe that noone heard this) that the minority applicants were approached by the rainbow/push coalition NOT TO GO to the interviews. Another statement he made was that Denny Green had talked to Millen about the head coaching job months before Morninwig was fired. HE talked face to face with Millen but only did a telephone interview Jerry Jones and told the NFL he was properly interviewed. HE goes on to say that he felt the NFL and the rainbow coaltion intentionally made Detroit the scapegoat for this bogus mandatory interview process.
Every person in the world knew that once Mariucci become available that he was the guy. He is from Detroit and has proven a good motivator and coach in SF. If I was a minority I wouldn't go do some token interview( if there is truth to the rainbow/push coaltion pulling some strings I say investigate them and sue their asses). I would consider a token interview a slap in the FACE.
TO NICK- Your examples need some work. Denny Green coached in a bad central division (I know I am a Bears fan) and I don't think he had 8 straight season of .500, and what did he do in the playoffs- nothing. Tony Dungy like Green couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs and was probably to loyal to his coaching staff. He did however get a HC job right away. Marvin Lewis was the highest paid defensive coordintor last year and now has a HC job.
The NFL is all about MONEY like I think Freeze posted, it is what have you done for me lately. When the Ravens won the Superbowl it put pressure on coaches to win right now. IF you put in the hardwork you will get a job. Gruden is a good example. This guy since being a lowly assistant has worked tirelessly day and night to better himself and his team. How about Jimmy Johnson not going to his own mothers funeral during the season?
All I know is that if I was NFL owner or any other business owner I wouldn't want soemone telling who to hire or not. I think an owner no matter how big or small has that right to employ who he wants on account this is livelyhood for him and his family. If my business went under for hiring someone not as qualified to settle a quota then the people who want this quota crap better come in pick up pieces and pay me for this quota BS (yeah right).
jc
missing the point
missing the point
the OWNERS hire the coaches......the OWNERS imposed this toothless rule....
the OWNERS are doing this to keep extortionists like jesse jackson off their asses.....doesn`t seem like they really are concerned with this issue....just the public relations aspect of it....
i will say this....anybody that thinks that the lions or the bengals or the cardinals wouldn`t hire a minority if they honestly thought it would get them over the hump,is living in the bizarro world.....
witness marvin lewis....
but the practice of hiring recycled coaches goes on in all sports.....i think it`s more an issue of the owners,mostly older guys,being more comfortable with known commodities than wanting to take a chance on someone new(unless it`s a hotshot college coach) or a ballyhooed assistant that everybody agrees is practically can`t miss(billick).....
i think that if the owners want change,they have the power to make change....
i have to admit,i`d feel a little stressed about hiring an unknown commodity to a multi-year contract to run my nfl franchise....to be tied into an unknown for years....
and the truth is,if you hire a minority,and things go south fast,you will have to have some iron-clad justification and then some to fire him....unless you want the race hustlers on your back...these guys,guys like jackson,make things more difficult for minorities in some instances...
now,if you have a case where someone turns around and hires a wayne fonts over a ted cottrell or a denny green,then you can throw a sheet over his head and charge him with a hate crime.....against the fans.....
maybe i don`t see this problem as clearly as some....i follow the ravens and they have always had a front office that is well stocked with quality minority guys..
but if the guys are out there,like denny green,it does raise some eyebrows when he doesn`t get hired...
missing the point
the OWNERS hire the coaches......the OWNERS imposed this toothless rule....
the OWNERS are doing this to keep extortionists like jesse jackson off their asses.....doesn`t seem like they really are concerned with this issue....just the public relations aspect of it....
i will say this....anybody that thinks that the lions or the bengals or the cardinals wouldn`t hire a minority if they honestly thought it would get them over the hump,is living in the bizarro world.....
witness marvin lewis....
but the practice of hiring recycled coaches goes on in all sports.....i think it`s more an issue of the owners,mostly older guys,being more comfortable with known commodities than wanting to take a chance on someone new(unless it`s a hotshot college coach) or a ballyhooed assistant that everybody agrees is practically can`t miss(billick).....
i think that if the owners want change,they have the power to make change....
i have to admit,i`d feel a little stressed about hiring an unknown commodity to a multi-year contract to run my nfl franchise....to be tied into an unknown for years....
and the truth is,if you hire a minority,and things go south fast,you will have to have some iron-clad justification and then some to fire him....unless you want the race hustlers on your back...these guys,guys like jackson,make things more difficult for minorities in some instances...
now,if you have a case where someone turns around and hires a wayne fonts over a ted cottrell or a denny green,then you can throw a sheet over his head and charge him with a hate crime.....against the fans.....
maybe i don`t see this problem as clearly as some....i follow the ravens and they have always had a front office that is well stocked with quality minority guys..
but if the guys are out there,like denny green,it does raise some eyebrows when he doesn`t get hired...
Is it the old % rule here there trying to follow. 32 coaches 20% of the population is black. So we need about 6.5 black coaches.
Lets see then should we follow that formula for the players to. 80% white 20% black. It seems the numbers get moved to the best out come that someone is always getting screwed. The NBA 80% white? Holly chit would there be some bitching then.
Lets see then should we follow that formula for the players to. 80% white 20% black. It seems the numbers get moved to the best out come that someone is always getting screwed. The NBA 80% white? Holly chit would there be some bitching then.
People who are calling Dennis Green a bad coach seem to be only reinforcing the stereotype that minorities can't coach. Try to find another head coach with this pedigree. If he's white, I guarantee he's regarded as one of the top coaches in football:
-9 straight .500 plus seasons, including 8 of those 9 as *over* .500 seasons and playoff appearances in 8 of those 9 seasons.
-4 division championships in a division with Mike Holmgren's Packers and Tony Dungy's Bucs.
-2 NFC Championship games
-45-19 record from 1997 to 2000 with a different starting quarterback each of the four years (Johnson, Cunningham, George & Culpepper).
His playoff missteps are a valid point. He had a 4-8 postseason record including losing his first 4 playoff games. He also was rumored to have a touchy relationship with others in the organization at times.
The bottom line is that those are results beyond reproach and Green went through many coordinator defections to head coaching positions, plenty of turnover in personnel, etc., and he only had the one terrible season in 2001 that led to his firing. Of course the firing was a good move, but it should be surprising that he still sits outside the coaching world given that resume.
As far as 32 openings being too small a sample, that is an invalid point IMO. There are 7 to 10 openings per year and as the Redskins' handling of Marty Schottenheimer proved, in reality there are 25 or more jobs that are unstable if a big name candidate comes along with interest in a specific position. So if you only go back, say, 12 years, there are at least 100 actual positions filled. Given that there is such a small sample of reasonably qualified candidates (probably around 100) for those positions and the fact that the average minority with comparable success levels to white candidates has to wait longer to find his first job and has a more difficult time being given another chance after being fired, I'd say that those who find NFL head coaching hiring practices suspect are right on target.
Saying it is all about the money is exactly the point. In the point of Marvin Lewis being the highest paid defensive coordinator, that is a reasonable point but clearly he values the prestige of being the head coach more than money because he jumped at his first real opportunity to be a head coach.
Where "all about the money" really comes into play is in the fact that coaches often help fill seats and sell merchandise and many owners believe that a team led by a minority will fill less seats and sell less merchandise than a team led by a white man. And you know what, they are probably right about that.
But that old argument has been used by racist people for decades. It's the old, "It's my business so if I think not hiring blacks/women/etc. is bad for business, then I shouldn't have to hire them." Well, guess what. The courts have long since ruled that practice illegal and that is yet another reason why the rule the NFL has in place is a good rule.
-9 straight .500 plus seasons, including 8 of those 9 as *over* .500 seasons and playoff appearances in 8 of those 9 seasons.
-4 division championships in a division with Mike Holmgren's Packers and Tony Dungy's Bucs.
-2 NFC Championship games
-45-19 record from 1997 to 2000 with a different starting quarterback each of the four years (Johnson, Cunningham, George & Culpepper).
His playoff missteps are a valid point. He had a 4-8 postseason record including losing his first 4 playoff games. He also was rumored to have a touchy relationship with others in the organization at times.
The bottom line is that those are results beyond reproach and Green went through many coordinator defections to head coaching positions, plenty of turnover in personnel, etc., and he only had the one terrible season in 2001 that led to his firing. Of course the firing was a good move, but it should be surprising that he still sits outside the coaching world given that resume.
As far as 32 openings being too small a sample, that is an invalid point IMO. There are 7 to 10 openings per year and as the Redskins' handling of Marty Schottenheimer proved, in reality there are 25 or more jobs that are unstable if a big name candidate comes along with interest in a specific position. So if you only go back, say, 12 years, there are at least 100 actual positions filled. Given that there is such a small sample of reasonably qualified candidates (probably around 100) for those positions and the fact that the average minority with comparable success levels to white candidates has to wait longer to find his first job and has a more difficult time being given another chance after being fired, I'd say that those who find NFL head coaching hiring practices suspect are right on target.
Saying it is all about the money is exactly the point. In the point of Marvin Lewis being the highest paid defensive coordinator, that is a reasonable point but clearly he values the prestige of being the head coach more than money because he jumped at his first real opportunity to be a head coach.
Where "all about the money" really comes into play is in the fact that coaches often help fill seats and sell merchandise and many owners believe that a team led by a minority will fill less seats and sell less merchandise than a team led by a white man. And you know what, they are probably right about that.
But that old argument has been used by racist people for decades. It's the old, "It's my business so if I think not hiring blacks/women/etc. is bad for business, then I shouldn't have to hire them." Well, guess what. The courts have long since ruled that practice illegal and that is yet another reason why the rule the NFL has in place is a good rule.
How come nobody ever mentions the fact that only about 30% of NBA/NFL/MLB players are white?
Isn't it about time we had a hue and cry for some equality?
Listen......the NFL fined Millen BEFORE this edict was even approved by the league! WTF is that??????
This dog and pony show is a pure joke. Nothing more. The Lions invited those guys to come in for an interview. I think the whole world knew that Mooch was the guy. Why the hell would you go across the country for an interview if you knew you had no shot at the job?
The NFL would have said, "Nice job", had the Lions marched in their 'token niggers', as it where, and everything would have been fine? What a farce!
I pitty the first team that gets a substandard coach based on the fact that hiring him was, "in the best interest of moral relations".
Isn't it about time we had a hue and cry for some equality?
Listen......the NFL fined Millen BEFORE this edict was even approved by the league! WTF is that??????
This dog and pony show is a pure joke. Nothing more. The Lions invited those guys to come in for an interview. I think the whole world knew that Mooch was the guy. Why the hell would you go across the country for an interview if you knew you had no shot at the job?
The NFL would have said, "Nice job", had the Lions marched in their 'token niggers', as it where, and everything would have been fine? What a farce!
I pitty the first team that gets a substandard coach based on the fact that hiring him was, "in the best interest of moral relations".
