2004 champ
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From Olympic...
From Olympic...
101 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +700
102 Philadelphia Eagles +800 +700
103 New York Jets +1200
104 Oakland Raiders +1400 +1500
105 Green Bay Packers +1500
106 Pittsburgh Steelers +1500
107 St Louis Rams +2000 +1600
108 Atlanta Falcons +2000
109 San Fransisco 49ers +2000 +1500
110 Buffalo Bills +2500 +4000
111 Denver Broncos +2500 +3300
112 Indianapolis Colts +2500 +2000
113 Kansas City Chiefs +2500 +3300
114 Miami Dolphins +2500 +2000
115 New England Patriots +2500 +3300
116 Tennessee Titans +2500
117 New Orleans Saints +3300
118 New York Giants +3300 +2500
119 Baltimore Ravens +4000 +5000
120 Cleveland Browns +4000 +3300
121 Dallas Cowboys +5000 +6600
122 San Diego Chargers +5000 +4000
123 Washington Redskins +5000 +6600
124 Seattle Seahawks +6600
125 Chicago Bears +8000
126 Minnesota Vikings +8000 +6600
127 Jacksonville Jaguars +8000 +10000
128 Carolina Panthers +10000
129 Arizona Cardinals +25000
130 Cincinatti Bengals +25000
131 Detroit Lions +25000
132 Houston Texans +25000
Best values I see:
Denver - Not that far away IMO.
Indianapolis - Another year with Dungy at the helm. Defence improved greatly. Don't know if they have the heart.
Tennessee - Much improvement this year. Next year could be their time if healthy all the way thru? (ie. If they get homefield throughout the playoffs, I could see them going all the way)
New Orleans - If they can get some D going.
Minnesota - Not likely to happen, but 80-1 for a team that played well at season's end is worth thinking about at least.
Bad values I see:
Tampa Bay - Hard enough to repeat. People thought Baltimore would repeat with a similar-type team; they didn't. Not very good odds @ just 7-1.
NY Jets - Let's not get carried away here, they aren't THIS good.
Oakland - Salary cap problems, they've just missed their opportunity.
Buffalo - Not in the class with the other teams listed in this range.
Updated odds as of 1/31/03 are in BLUE
From Olympic...
101 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +700
102 Philadelphia Eagles +800 +700
103 New York Jets +1200
104 Oakland Raiders +1400 +1500
105 Green Bay Packers +1500
106 Pittsburgh Steelers +1500
107 St Louis Rams +2000 +1600
108 Atlanta Falcons +2000
109 San Fransisco 49ers +2000 +1500
110 Buffalo Bills +2500 +4000
111 Denver Broncos +2500 +3300
112 Indianapolis Colts +2500 +2000
113 Kansas City Chiefs +2500 +3300
114 Miami Dolphins +2500 +2000
115 New England Patriots +2500 +3300
116 Tennessee Titans +2500
117 New Orleans Saints +3300
118 New York Giants +3300 +2500
119 Baltimore Ravens +4000 +5000
120 Cleveland Browns +4000 +3300
121 Dallas Cowboys +5000 +6600
122 San Diego Chargers +5000 +4000
123 Washington Redskins +5000 +6600
124 Seattle Seahawks +6600
125 Chicago Bears +8000
126 Minnesota Vikings +8000 +6600
127 Jacksonville Jaguars +8000 +10000
128 Carolina Panthers +10000
129 Arizona Cardinals +25000
130 Cincinatti Bengals +25000
131 Detroit Lions +25000
132 Houston Texans +25000
Best values I see:
Denver - Not that far away IMO.
Indianapolis - Another year with Dungy at the helm. Defence improved greatly. Don't know if they have the heart.
Tennessee - Much improvement this year. Next year could be their time if healthy all the way thru? (ie. If they get homefield throughout the playoffs, I could see them going all the way)
New Orleans - If they can get some D going.
Minnesota - Not likely to happen, but 80-1 for a team that played well at season's end is worth thinking about at least.
Bad values I see:
Tampa Bay - Hard enough to repeat. People thought Baltimore would repeat with a similar-type team; they didn't. Not very good odds @ just 7-1.
NY Jets - Let's not get carried away here, they aren't THIS good.
Oakland - Salary cap problems, they've just missed their opportunity.
Buffalo - Not in the class with the other teams listed in this range.
Updated odds as of 1/31/03 are in BLUE
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Thanks GM. Does anything spark your interest on this ? I know it is a long way to go till preseason, just trying to get a head start to next year. 
Going on the defense wins titles:
Miami Chicago Dallas SD
all long shots with potential for great defenses and/or rebounding from injuries
Minny Tenn also worth a shot.
Don't think you get any of these higher odds however in Vegas.
Miami Chicago Dallas SD
all long shots with potential for great defenses and/or rebounding from injuries
Minny Tenn also worth a shot.
Don't think you get any of these higher odds however in Vegas.
Thanks fellas. I prefer the long shots and taking a chance at big money when it comes to future props. Haven't hit one yet, but I will. My site Millenium doesn't have the odds up yet.:shrug:
I think Green Bay, Chicago, or Minnesota all have a legitimate shot of winning the NFC North next season, so I think there is value in Minnesota and Chicago, both at 80-1. Chicago will be much better next season with everyone healthy again and the fact that they will be playing their home games back in Chicago. Minnesota finished strong, and I like Mike Tice as a coach. He always has the guys ready to play. With a couple of smart offseason moves, they could be tough to beat, especially at home in the Dome. Green Bay took a few steps backwards at the end of the year. They seem to be a team in decline. They are tough at home, but struggle on the road. Favre seemed to lose interest at the end of the year. I don't think he gets along with his offensive coordinator. You could just see from his body language that he didn't like the play calling. Wouldn't be suprised if he retires after next season. At 15-1, the Packers don't have much value.
2 small plays for me:
Minnesota @ 80-1
Chicago @ 80-1
2 small plays for me:
Minnesota @ 80-1
Chicago @ 80-1
We hooked a BIG ASS TUNA!!!! With the 5th overall pick, some new free agents and a young D......Bring on Dallas at 50-1!!!
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I'm leaning towards the Browns for one of my picks. Had them to win the AFC this last year, they seam to be on the edge of something good. Maybe the Colts with Dungy improving the defense.I'm also gonna keep an eye on the Dolphins. Haven't really had anything jump out at me for the NFC yet.:shrug:
Ravens might be quite good next year. I believe they were the youngest team in the NFL this year. Ed Reed will have a great year. As long as Ray Lewis is healthy, the 'D' will have their heart.
Jamal Lewis will be one year healthier, and Redman to Heap looked downright AWESOME at times. They tend to get draft picks that can play a little right off. And they won 7 games this year (I think 7...) beating some good teams along the way (TENN, DEN, CLE), and hanging with some others (INDY, PITT, ATL). Their schedule this year saw PITT and CLE twice, INDY and ATL on the road, TB at home. Not to mention NO and MIA, two teams an inch away from the playoffs.
I'm looking at a good Buffalo team, but I thought they'd be 50-1.
Pats still have a good squad. They had some huge defensive injuries this year, but still have talent on offense and a good coaching staff.
Browns at 40-1 and Cowboys at 50-1 also look decent.
Maybe the chargers with their young team and the second year for Marty.
Bad bets look like :
Green Bay, OAK, NYJ, TB @ 7-1.
Jamal Lewis will be one year healthier, and Redman to Heap looked downright AWESOME at times. They tend to get draft picks that can play a little right off. And they won 7 games this year (I think 7...) beating some good teams along the way (TENN, DEN, CLE), and hanging with some others (INDY, PITT, ATL). Their schedule this year saw PITT and CLE twice, INDY and ATL on the road, TB at home. Not to mention NO and MIA, two teams an inch away from the playoffs.
I'm looking at a good Buffalo team, but I thought they'd be 50-1.
Pats still have a good squad. They had some huge defensive injuries this year, but still have talent on offense and a good coaching staff.
Browns at 40-1 and Cowboys at 50-1 also look decent.
Maybe the chargers with their young team and the second year for Marty.
Bad bets look like :
Green Bay, OAK, NYJ, TB @ 7-1.
QUESTION REGARDING ODDS/BET
QUESTION REGARDING ODDS/BET
Does anyone know if Olympic or any other Book takes a " PARLAY"
on The Conference Championship Future onto The SuperBowl Future ?
Say for EXAMPLE: TENNESSEE AFC CHAMP / TENNESSEE SUPERBOWL CHAMP--PARLAY
I guess they have a Parlay Payout Limit ?
Please if anyone know ..it would be helpful!
QUESTION REGARDING ODDS/BET
Does anyone know if Olympic or any other Book takes a " PARLAY"
on The Conference Championship Future onto The SuperBowl Future ?
Say for EXAMPLE: TENNESSEE AFC CHAMP / TENNESSEE SUPERBOWL CHAMP--PARLAY
I guess they have a Parlay Payout Limit ?
Please if anyone know ..it would be helpful!
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They'd be pretty foolish to offer a parlay like that, since to win the Superbowl you've obviously got to win your conference. Seriously doubt you'll find anyone dumb enough to offer it, but by all means if you find it, parlay any and every future bet you make!!!
NOT A DIVISIONAL WINNER.
NOT A DIVISIONAL WINNER.
Its interesting to looke at the schedules for next year. All the division winner MUST PLAY EACH OTHER. I think the champion will be Miami or Minn. Those are my picks because they will have favorable schedules do to thier lack of preformance this year.
NOT A DIVISIONAL WINNER.
Its interesting to looke at the schedules for next year. All the division winner MUST PLAY EACH OTHER. I think the champion will be Miami or Minn. Those are my picks because they will have favorable schedules do to thier lack of preformance this year.
This is the case every year Blazer. With the new 8-division setup, the schedule is always made up as follows:
A) 3 home + 3 away games against your division. 1+1 against each divisional rival, obviously.
B) 2 home + 2 away games against an entire division within your conference. This rotates on a 3-year cycle and is not predicated on previous year's performance. IE. If you are in the AFC North, and you are playing all 4 teams from the AFC East, so are all of the other teams in your division.
C) 2 home + 2 away games against an entire division from the other conference. This rotates on a 4-year cycle and is also not predicated on previous year's performance. IE. Everyone in your division will play the same 4 non-conference teams that you do. If you are in the AFC and play a particular NFC division this year, it'll be a four-year wait until you play this division again (at which time the teams that were at home the first time around will be the visitors the second time around). No exceptions to this ever.
D) 1 home + 1 away game vs the teams that finished with the same ranking within their division as your team did, from the two other divisions in your conference - in other words, the division that wasn't used in B). So if your team came 3rd in the AFC North, and they are paired with the AFC East in B), they will get one game vs the 3rd place AFC West team and one vs the 3rd place AFC South team, one @ home and one away. These are the only two games on the schedule that are based on previous year's performance. In past years the schedule was more heavily weighted against teams that finished first. (4 of the 16 games prior to this season were based on previous years' finish).
Of course teams that didn't finish that high will still end up with very tough schedules, due to the schedule rotations. For example, a particular division could be paired up to face the AFC West and the NFC South in 2003 in B) and C). That's a tough draw for a .500 team to handle. Just bad luck that this happens to be the year they face these divisions because they are strong divisions right now.
A) 3 home + 3 away games against your division. 1+1 against each divisional rival, obviously.
B) 2 home + 2 away games against an entire division within your conference. This rotates on a 3-year cycle and is not predicated on previous year's performance. IE. If you are in the AFC North, and you are playing all 4 teams from the AFC East, so are all of the other teams in your division.
C) 2 home + 2 away games against an entire division from the other conference. This rotates on a 4-year cycle and is also not predicated on previous year's performance. IE. Everyone in your division will play the same 4 non-conference teams that you do. If you are in the AFC and play a particular NFC division this year, it'll be a four-year wait until you play this division again (at which time the teams that were at home the first time around will be the visitors the second time around). No exceptions to this ever.
D) 1 home + 1 away game vs the teams that finished with the same ranking within their division as your team did, from the two other divisions in your conference - in other words, the division that wasn't used in B). So if your team came 3rd in the AFC North, and they are paired with the AFC East in B), they will get one game vs the 3rd place AFC West team and one vs the 3rd place AFC South team, one @ home and one away. These are the only two games on the schedule that are based on previous year's performance. In past years the schedule was more heavily weighted against teams that finished first. (4 of the 16 games prior to this season were based on previous years' finish).
Of course teams that didn't finish that high will still end up with very tough schedules, due to the schedule rotations. For example, a particular division could be paired up to face the AFC West and the NFC South in 2003 in B) and C). That's a tough draw for a .500 team to handle. Just bad luck that this happens to be the year they face these divisions because they are strong divisions right now.
In regards to the bears playing their games in Chicago, don't forget thier 1st 3 games will be on the road and they have requested to the league to have a bye week in week 4. The stadium won't be ready till then. Also I think they will be playing their home preseason games in Champagin again, can't confirm for sure, but I think that's the case.
I just worry about a slow start with 3 road games to start the season.
I just worry about a slow start with 3 road games to start the season.
