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Nole

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I''ve checked over the Internet til I'm blue in the face looking for an answer to this question...

Are employers required to make monthly, every other month, quarterly or whatever payments to my 401K provider(American Funds)? We're coming up on June and my boss hasn't made a purchase yet for 2007 and it's pissing me off! We're not talking about a ton of money but it's close to 2 grand. He takes it out every week and it's not being sent to American Funds.

Last year, he made 3 purchases for the entire 2006 period...3!

Dollar cost averaging is what it's all about. At this rate, I may have 2 purchases to average!

Hopefully some of you guys have experience with this or know someone who's in the biz.

I sure would appreciate it.

After hearing from whoever here, I'll make an appointment with the big-guy and see what the Hell is going on.

If I'm just 1 employee, and there's 10 or so of us contributing, could he be using "our" money to make money elsewhere? Sounds illegal to me.

Thanks.


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I work for one of the biggest companies in the country, seriously. My 401K contribution and the company match are in my account EVERY FRIDAY.

If I'm actually in the office on a Friday morning I check my pay stubs and things like that on-line and the money is in my account first thing Friday morning, for sure, every week.

I can't give you the legal answer you are looking for, but I would say since the money is 100% vested the minute you have it deducted you should have access to it immediatly, it's your money.

I'd look your boss up on this one.
 

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I work for one of the biggest companies in the country, seriously. My 401K contribution and the company match are in my account EVERY FRIDAY.

If I'm actually in the office on a Friday morning I check my pay stubs and things like that on-line and the money is in my account first thing Friday morning, for sure, every week.

I can't give you the legal answer you are looking for, but I would say since the money is 100% vested the minute you have it deducted you should have access to it immediatly, it's your money.

I'd look your boss up on this one.

I can't imagine having my contributions put in weekly. Weekly? Wow!

Thanks penquinfan.


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I''ve checked over the Internet til I'm blue in the face looking for an answer to this question...

Are employers required to make monthly, every other month, quarterly or whatever payments to my 401K provider(American Funds)? We're coming up on June and my boss hasn't made a purchase yet for 2007 and it's pissing me off! We're not talking about a ton of money but it's close to 2 grand. He takes it out every week and it's not being sent to American Funds.

Last year, he made 3 purchases for the entire 2006 period...3!

Dollar cost averaging is what it's all about. At this rate, I may have 2 purchases to average!

Hopefully some of you guys have experience with this or know someone who's in the biz.

I sure would appreciate it.

After hearing from whoever here, I'll make an appointment with the big-guy and see what the Hell is going on.

If I'm just 1 employee, and there's 10 or so of us contributing, could he be using "our" money to make money elsewhere? Sounds illegal to me.

Thanks.


nole





I actually asked our secretary(boss's wife) how often she sent the money in for the 401K. She said once a month or every other month. I figured once a month is alright with me..
 

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If he's taking out money from your paycheck, then there is a requirement to put those funds into the plan and there is a pretty short timeframe (I'm not sure what it is exactly - but it's no more than a week)

The required payment provisions should be in the plan itself which you should have a copy of or online access to.
 

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http://www.401k.org/401kFaq.html#12


Certainly not authoritative literature, but this sounds correct


12. How soon does my employer have to deposit my contributions deducted from my pay into my 401(k) account?
Government regulations require that participant contributions to a 401(k) be deposited to the plan on the earliest date that they can be reasonably segregated from the employer's general assets, but in no event may they be deposited later than the 15th business day of the month following the month in which the participant contributions are deducted from their pay. Please note that your employer can not wait until the 15th business day of the month following the month in which your contribution was deducted just for the convenience of doing so. If they can deposit the funds sooner, they must do so.
 

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Another question on 401k's. How early can you take distribution? I think it's 59 1/2 but not sure. Is there a structured formula you have to go by. Any website that gives the info?
 

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http://www.401k.org/401kFaq.html#12


Certainly not authoritative literature, but this sounds correct


12. How soon does my employer have to deposit my contributions deducted from my pay into my 401(k) account?
Government regulations require that participant contributions to a 401(k) be deposited to the plan on the earliest date that they can be reasonably segregated from the employer's general assets, but in no event may they be deposited later than the 15th business day of the month following the month in which the participant contributions are deducted from their pay. Please note that your employer can not wait until the 15th business day of the month following the month in which your contribution was deducted just for the convenience of doing so. If they can deposit the funds sooner, they must do so.


Good stuff BBC!! I'll print this off and speak with my local 401K people 1st to see if they can enforce it. If not, I'll approach the boss. This is very depressing to me that he's been doing this for so long. I had no idea.

15th business day of the next month? :mj07:
Freaking ridiculous!

Now, if I bitch about it, I'll probably get fired!

Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Thanks again.


nole
 

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Another question on 401k's. How early can you take distribution? I think it's 59 1/2 but not sure. Is there a structured formula you have to go by. Any website that gives the info?

Correct 59 1/2 is when you can start making w/d's and that money is taxed on whatever tax bracket you are in. .

If you w/d before then they take out 20% for taxes and there is also a 10% penalty for early w/d.
 

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Hey Nole how did this pan out with your employer?

I just got this email from my 401(k) provider, don't know if you need any more info but:

Attention Plan Sponsors & Advisors:



In light of recent discussions by the Department of Labor regarding their intent to begin strictly enforcing deposit requirements for qualified plans, we wanted to take an additional opportunity to notify you of the contribution deposit requirements to remain in compliance and avoid monetary penalties. Below is an excerpt from the IRS website regarding contributions to be made to the trust by the employer/sponsor of qualified plans:



?Contributions made to the trust. The employer makes contributions to the trust for the amounts of the elective deferrals made by the plan participants. The Department of Labor requires that the contributions must be made on the earliest date that the employer is able to segregate the amounts from the employer?s general assets but no later than the 15th day of the month following the month in which the participant would have received the amount in cash if not for the deferral election. This can usually be done on the date that the employer pays payroll taxes. Keep in mind that the rule regarding the 15th day of the following month does not provide a safe harbor for depositing deferrals. Rather, it sets the maximum deadline. If the employer does not make the deposits timely, the failure constitutes a prohibited transaction. Prohibited transactions are subject to a 15% excise tax, payable with the filing of Form 5330, Return of Excise Taxes Related to Employee Benefit Plans. More information on Prohibited Transactions can be found in Publication 560, Retirement Plans for Small Business (SEP, SIMPLE, and Qualified Plans).

Contributions made by the employer to match part or all of the participant?s elective deferrals may be made at the time the elective deferrals are contributed or later, but in no event later than the due date of the employer?s federal income tax return, including extensions. Contributions made by the employer that are not tied to elective deferral amounts must also be made no later than the due date of the employer?s federal income tax return, including extensions.?

As well, we have included some FAQ?s below regarding late deposits as a reference for you:



? Q: When are deposits of employee deferrals and loan payments considered late?

A: The Department of Labor has issued regulations that govern the time frame for depositing employee deferrals and loan payments to employee benefit plans. Unfortunately, these regulations do not state a hard and fast rule for every employer but rather give several examples that the Employer must review to determine the appropriate deposit deadline for that company. These regulations can be accessed at:

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ebsa/Title_29/Part_2510/29CFR2510.3-102.htm

Amounts that either you, or your independent auditor, have determined to have been deposited late must be reported on the Form 5500 Schedule I or H.



? Q: Do we have to fund the lost earnings to participants when we deposit their employee deferrals and loan payments late?

A: The DOL regulations require that you make the participants? accounts whole by depositing an additional amount representing the lost earnings opportunity. This can be calculated using several methods but the DOL has simplified this to some extent by offering an earnings calculator. However, once the lost earnings per payroll are calculated using the DOL calculator, the earnings must be allocated to the participants? accounts in proportion to their share of the amount deposited late for each specific payroll period.



? Q: Do we need to file a Form 5330 with the IRS?

A: The IRS requires that you file a Form 5330 to report the corrective action regarding these late deposits and to indicate the excise tax you owe to the IRS. Alternatively, you can submit your corrections for DOL review under the Voluntary Fiduciary Compliance Program. If the DOL approves the proposed corrective action, the IRS will waive the Form 5330 filing and the associated excise tax. If you are interested in submitting proposed corrections to the DOL through their Voluntary Fiduciary Compliance Program, please contact us for an individualized quote.
 

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I work for one of the biggest companies in the country, seriously. My 401K contribution and the company match are in my account EVERY FRIDAY.

If I'm actually in the office on a Friday morning I check my pay stubs and things like that on-line and the money is in my account first thing Friday morning, for sure, every week.

I can't give you the legal answer you are looking for, but I would say since the money is 100% vested the minute you have it deducted you should have access to it immediatly, it's your money.

I'd look your boss up on this one.

:iagree: :iagree:



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Hey Nole how did this pan out with your employer?

I just got this email from my 401(k) provider, don't know if you need any more info but:



Thanks very much c20916.

Boss finally made my 1st purchase of 2007 this past Monday, the 25th! It was about 90% of my deferrals so far this year. I will forward this info you've posted to my 401K people. I want my missed earnings.

I don't believe I'll get fired for watching out for my retirement but I do know this, he hasn't spoke to me in about 10 days so he's pissed. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who's watchig out for their future where I work. One lady actually stood up for my boss, saying he had been sending in her money. I said, "BS! where's your statement?" She says, "I don't have it but he takes it out of my check every week". Dumb freaking hillbilly! I told her, "There's a little more to it than that."

All this could have been avoided if he would have just turned it in monthly.

And it goes on.....


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Sorry you have to deal with this nole, but better you find out now than later, right.

Mine is put in biweekly, as I get get paid biweekly. As you said, you're missing out on compounding interest.
 

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I am sure you don't want to sue your boss, but what he's doing is illegal and he should pay penalities.

He has to by law deposit your contributions by the 15th of the following month, if he matches anything he can wait and deposit those funds whenever he wants, but has to do it before his fiscal year ends.

The dow has been up 7% this year and the funds you are in were probably up as much if not more, you are definatley getting screwed.

Good luck to you
 

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Thanks very much c20916.

Boss finally made my 1st purchase of 2007 this past Monday, the 25th! It was about 90% of my deferrals so far this year. I will forward this info you've posted to my 401K people. I want my missed earnings.

I don't believe I'll get fired for watching out for my retirement but I do know this, he hasn't spoke to me in about 10 days so he's pissed.
And it goes on.....

If i were you i would have done this another way (a little sneakier)because now you have a target on your back. Some guys are just creeps and it sounds like this guy is one. I think i would keep a journal in case you get fired. People are fooled on how unions are bad for the country but this is why we need them. For rotten guys like this. I wonder how long he is gonna stall with the next deposit and if everyone is gonna look to you to say something cause they won't have the nuts. Sometimes sneaky is good when it comes to these types.
 

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Just an update for you guys...
My boss had an e-mail waiting on us this AM stating that our 401K plan will be terminated effective immediately. He will let us know in 2 weeks what we can do with our money (into my Schwab IRA phucko!).

There has not been another purchase since June 25th so my money again, has not been allocated.

I have not received one dime of "possible missed earnings". Not a phucking cent!

Now the rest of the office has finally caught on and they're ready to crucify my boss when he gets back in town. Many are women who just trusted my boss, even after getting their quarterly statement from the 401K folks. "I just thought, he was putting the money in" is all they say.

I feel I may get canned for causing the uproar. I know people will say, "Sue his ass", but I don't want to go through all that BS and honestly, I don't think I could prove that's why I got canned. He could just say I'm not doing my job so he fired me. End of discussion.


Really feel the crap's gonna hit the fan next week. I'll keep you posted.


nole
 

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nole-

Kudos for having the balls to do what you needed to. I hope it works out in your favor-
 

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