403-3!!!!!!! Now lets shut the hell up and fight Al Queda!

[CHARLESMANSON]

403-3!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL THE CUT N RUN LIBERALS WERE TOO SCARED TO VOTE YES!!!!!

HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!

How do you like that DJV??
(For the record djv said our job is done in Iraq)

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Way to go Republicans!!! FINALLY the Republicans grow a goddamn backbone and start playing hardball with these flip-flopping liberal hypocrites. I think they just had too much class to it before but after Murtha's pathetic display yesterday I don't think they had a choice.

I'm proud of the little guys!! GO GOP!!! 403-3!!!! :clap:

All these hypocrite liberals who are against the war casted their vote then crawled back under their rocks!!! God bless the republicans for exposing these liberals for who they really are!!!! HYPOCRITES!!!


Everyone can now shut the F up!! Now it's time to finish the job!!! Big elections coming up!! Constitution in place. Women can vote now. NO more rape rooms open. No more Saddam Hussein murdering 400,000 innocents. Let's quit pointing fingers and undermining our troops and let's unite to beat these fukking bastards!!! Nobody can bomb our troops and get away with it...and we will not run!!!!

LIKE BUSH SAID......"WE WILL NOT SURRENDER TO TERRORISTS...WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT TOTAL VICTORY!!!!"

:bigun: :Yep: ...run away like sissy liberals?? no way in hell!!! We are fighting AL Qaida!!!

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

"It's a disgrace!!" - Nancy Pelosi (D)


:clap: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :clap:

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet justice!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

:hah: MURTHA :mj08:

 

[gardenweasel]

honestly...the cut `n run shit was a big mistake by the democrats...they shouldn`t have pushed the issue....

that`s what happens when you play politics.....

i hope that everyone gets back down to real business now.....

let`s get a real plan together....nobody wants to be in iraq one second longer than necessary....

do the country`s business for a change...

 

[Roger Baltrey]

So what's Bozo Bush gonna do now. Hem and haw for another 2-3 years. It's called overextended and he doesn't have a clue how to extricate himself. Ask your self Republican Apologist, what is the objective?

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

:lol2 FOLKS...MODEL LIBERAL RIGHT THERE!!

Name Calliing? LOL What is Bush gonna do??? Hem and Haw? What the hell are you talking about!!! :mj07:

Gee you sound like a real intellect. Welcome to the debate. And you are whom?? Another whiney aimless liberal?? Critisize the man who liberated 2 nations of 50 Million people?? Freedom and women voting in 2 terrorist nations now?? Just another Wacky Sheehan lefty.


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We do have a plan and we would only be stupid to reveal it to the enemy.

If we set a date to start bringing troops home, Al Queda will sit around, wait it out, and take over Iraq.

Who want's to debate those 2 facts????
:gf:

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

CRICKETS --- LOL at John Kerry on TV FURIOUS!!!! :clap:

 

[djv]

Mason I said Bush said the job was done. And he did. For your info we cant stay in Iraq long enough to get the job done. In the middle east it don't work that way. They should do another vote with the question asked the right way. They made this to easy to help save there jobs. Just a blow job vote was all it was.

 

[spibble spab]

DJV: smarter than all of congress.

can i have your autograph?

 

[Chadman]

:

We do have a plan and we would only be stupid to reveal it to the enemy.

If we set a date to start bringing troops home, Al Queda will sit around, wait it out, and take over Iraq.

Who want's to debate those 2 facts????
:gf:

I will. What makes you think we have a plan? What in God's name would suggest that? You say we have a plan, that does not make it so. So, to use your tactics...show me the plan. Never mind...not important. You can't.

So, you are saying that we will have to stay in Iraq long enough to rebuild the military, police, infrastructure to the point where it can defend itself without our help? You are comfortable with that? You fine with paying more than $8 billion every month - and a lot more than that to rebuild these things - of American dollars to go to another country and not be spent here in America?

And here's the thing. There will always be people that hate America. There are a helluva lot more now that are motivated against us than there were before Iraq. You think they won't wait until we leave Iraq whether we tell them when we're leaving or not? You think if we're there, they won't hit other countries, or even here?

Blurring common sense does not stop it. Dream on.

 

[spibble spab]

I will. What makes you think we have a plan? What in God's name would suggest that? You say we have a plan, that does not make it so. So, to use your tactics...show me the plan. Never mind...not important. You can't.

I think what chuck was saying there is that it is very foolish to try to prove to the liberals what your plan is and try not to divulge your next tactical step in Iraq to the insurgents. This war is very closely scrutinized (as it should) but that makes it very difficult to keep plans hidden from the enemy. i mean. your friends, the insurgents.
seems to me you WANT them to win. You have no idea what is on the line here. your vision gets blurred by combat deaths. there are some things we could have done differently in this war. as well as any war. even wars that are won. I know it is hard for you to understand and find reason. i feel for you. :violin:

 

[spibble spab]

So, you are saying that we will have to stay in Iraq long enough to rebuild the military, police, infrastructure to the point where it can defend itself without our help? You are comfortable with that? You fine with paying more than $8 billion every month - and a lot more than that to rebuild these things - of American dollars to go to another country and not be spent here in America?

The cost is high to rebuild an entire nation you jackass. Why dont you go to Home Depot and try to build one next weekend. i dont think prime minister allawi would like it none too much if we just wrecked his shit and didnt hang around to help rebuild and fight al qaeda of Iraq. Also, the Iraqi's are getting vital training. They dont just go from throwing rocks to rambo in ten days. I know how frustrating this must be for you liberals but you MUST understand that this shit takes a lot of time and a lot of money. you want the omelet. and when you get done eating it, you go to the fridge and your pissed that all the eggs are gone. THINK CRITICALLY.. THINK DEEPER... come on over chadman. the common sense is fine

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

They dont just go from throwing rocks to rambo in ten days.

:mj07:

 

[spibble spab]

And here's the thing. There will always be people that hate America. There are a helluva lot more now that are motivated against us than there were before Iraq. You think they won't wait until we leave Iraq whether we tell them when we're leaving or not? You think if we're there, they won't hit other countries, or even here?

Blurring common sense does not stop it. Dream on.

its hard for them to wait around for us to leave when a majority of them are dying and the IPs will be trained to stave it off. IMO the suicide bombs will not go completely away but they did not start withour invasion of IRaq. would you like me to list them?

 

[djv]

just watch at least 50000 will be out before 06 election. This vote was a joke. Holds no water.

 

[Marco]

"If we set a date to start bringing troops home, Al Queda will sit around, wait it out, and take over Iraq...."

All the insurgency will have to do is wait, as is the case for wars like these.....the giant force with superior technology and weapons gets bogged down fighting a guerilla war.....billions of dollars are spent and eventually the superior force gets tired of the exorbitant costs involved, along with the voting public who has to pay for the excursion....politicians get pressured and pretty soon the plug is pulled and the party is over...politicians want to keep their jobs and looking at the popularity polls, and the time spent in Iraq along with the ramage of violence continuing over there, this administration and this war are soon going to be scrapped

Then the country is left to deal with it's own destiny....whether security is in place or not is irrelevant, because a year or five or ten later a coup takes place and some thug takes over....too much oil and power there for someone to not take over there

Then the US deals with the new guy the best they can, and the thought of another invasion is lost in the thought of the disaster of the one we just left....

Just a matter of time and how many lives are willing to be wasted on the Islamic woodchipper before they get back to reality of life in the middle east...

 

[djv]

Marco that is why vote was a joke. They cant set a date. We will leave in the night someday when no one expects it. For sure draw down starts before next election. This vote for congress to be able to say see how I voted. All show. Cant anyone else see it for what it is politics.

 

[kosar]

Funny watching Rummy on TV yesterday saying, 'if we leave too early, Iraq will become a terrorist haven.'

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Terrorists from all over are streaming in there as a result of the invasion, yet if we leave too soon it will become a haven?

Also, I thought that reason # 206 for the war was so we could fight terrorists 'over there.' Now we're to believe that it's our presence keeping them out of Iraq?

The fact is that our presence there is the best thing going for terrorists from other countries and for Sunni insurgents. It gives them ample opportunity to kill Americans(up to 2100 now), but more importantly it keeps the Shiites from taking over the country.

Once we leave, the Iran led Shia will take control with an iron fist and they will quickly quell any opposition. We can leave today or in 10 years and it won't matter. We are currently in the process of setting up this 'democracy' that will be dominated by shiites. Understandable, I guess, considering that they're such a huge majority.

But even if we leave them with their 'democracy', are we really better off with another radical Islam run state in the Middle East?

What is the net gain for us in the Saddam for radicals trade? I can't think of much. On top of that, we will leave a regime in place that undoubtedly will set womens rights and freedom of religion way back from Saddams days. That's for all you guys that suddenly weep for the Iraqi populace. But I suspect that you'll go back to not giving a shit once you're told to.

Does anyone really believe that the radical Islam faction will not have control of the military, the police forces and the country itself once we leave, whenever that might be?

Do you think that after 30 years of discrimination and oppression that they won't return the favor? They have the numbers, they have Iran's support and help and they will have the country. There is no other feasible outcome, imo, but i'd be interested in hearing somebody elses scenario.

IOW, can anybody say with a straight face that we will leave behind a secular, peaceful democracy where all three groups work together and they are a friend of Americas, or at the very least neutral? A state that does not closely work with Iran? A state that is not basically annexed and controlled by Iran?

Because those are the only scenarios that would make this the least bit worthwhile and not a total waste. But what are the odds? We didn't consider, or chose to ignore, the power of religion over there and no amount of fancy weapons can change that.

We're sitting there, right next door to Iran, yet they keep thumbing their noses at us and tell us that they will continue on with their nuclear program. Syria continues to be the gateway to Iraq for terrorists and they refuse to do anything about it. So obviously all this talk lately of us being some kind of a deterrent because we're over there is total nonsense.

How screwed up is that? We invade/occupy/rebuild a country on the premise that they have all these weapons that could turn the USA into a mushroom cloud at any moment, yet they actually have absolutely nothing except a few hundred scuds and a hell of a lot of RPG's that might be able to reach eastern Iran, but probably couldn't reach our shores.

At the same time we have 160,000 troops right next to a country that admits to a sophisticated nuclear program and that they will continue to develop it regardless of what anybody says. This same country has a top official that says Israel should be wiped off the map. This state openly promotes and is the home of many terrorists. We are right next door, yet we can't or won't even hardly respond to any of this in any fashion. Why is that?

Let's hear it. I'll bet it's because of the media somehow. Or maybe all the pussy liberals who would never go for strong action against Iran or Syria. Maybe it's because of the corrupt UN somehow. Remember the Oil for Food thing? Maybe it's because Clinton had the same intelligence and we have the quotes to prove it. Maybe it's because Barbara Boxer said that Saddam was a threat back in 1998.

Or maybe it's because we have absolutely no capacity right now to take on any more wars and any saber rattling by us, let alone military action would be laughed off by Iran.

It isn't a matter of WMD's/lies/cooked info..etc..etc. Us being over there in these numbers for this long severely limits our ability to react to any other matters around the world that may actually affect our safety and security down the road, even if such matters are right next door.

So yeah, we'll stay the course no matter how long it takes and not a minute longer. We'll incur 9/11 type numbers in deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars. All so we can install(yeah, yeah, the people will vote on it-too bad 70% of the populace are Shiites) an Iran type government in another country.

Yeah, that still makes sense to some, but slowly but surely people are coming to their senses.

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Well said, Kosar.

The Administration mouthpieces for this lunacy are in rare form, too. As you noted, Rummy's out front. The ever pugnacious Rumsfeld was in a particularly combative mood with Stephanopolos on Sunday. What a con!