6% play

[ferdville]

Normally, I would let this go as a simple difference in opinion. But when someon's method of rebuttal is to blatantly use name calling ad infinitum, I feel safe in saying that stupidity is alive and well at MJ's. Having an opinion is on thing, but one should at least have a basic knowledge of what he is ranting about.
Evidently some of the "action Jacksons" out there don't know anything about money management or just choose not to or cannot practice it. I am betting that it is the latter. You are still in the dark ages where the point of a pay service is to break the bookie 24/7. Sorry, that isn't how it works. If you are wagering with the intent to win money over the course of a year, money management becomes more important than having a big day. If not, you are subject to the ebbs and flows that I guarantee everyone here (myself included far more than once)has had at one time or another. On Saturday you go 5-0 and win big. Then Sunday comes up and you lose it all back, maybe more. Or you win two weeks in a row and then get blown out in week 3 losing all your profit and more. If you are trying to show a profit for the year as opposed to the profit for a day, you need to know when to shut down. If you aren't happy with a 9+ unit profit for the week, you are in it for action, not profit. If you can't sit out a day without betting a tv game or any game for that matter, you are in it for action, not for profit. People looking for long term profits don't chase nor do they try to break the bank. But I guess, since I am a fool, I just don't understand. I can only wish that sometime before I die I get the necessary wisdom to understand the thought processes of such clearly sanguine souls as some of you purport to be.
I suppose that Goin Gone and yyz are far more knowledgable about how a service SHOULD operate than Fletcher. Maybe he should consider hiring you two to tell him how to run his business. After all, where could he find more knowledgeable gamblers? Go for broke guys, maybe you will go 7-0. And if you do, make sure to double up on your bets tomorrow in case you go 7-0 again. That's the way to win in sports gambling. But I don't need to tell you that, you already know it all. I am looking forward to see the GG and YYZ Sports Consulting Firm open soon. There are a lot of pay services out there that you guys could straighten out and get them up running as you see fit. In fact, I am sure guys like Lem Banker and Billy Walters will be beating on your doors soon to take advantage of your expertise.
OK - I am ready - call me names again. Hurt my feelings with total disregard. I grovel at the feet of your kind hoping that some of the infinite wisdom will rub off on me. But you probably won't have the time - too busy fielding calls from all the pay services that will be begging for your time to help them run their businesses as you see fit.

 

[Goiing Gone]

Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

As to the name calling the ABOVE should address the fact YOU are the initiator of that, get your facts correct.

Having degrees in B-adm and Mkt I know it does not take any skill to throw out picks and collect on my pay-pal acct

YYZ, Y&G WINNERS INC. Boy where are we going to find the capital and Pulitzer prize winners to get this massive undertaking underway :shrug:

 

[ferdville]

I call your degrees in Business and Marketing with BA in English and raise you an MS in English and an MS Education (as if that is important). However, I wil be the first to admit that education is a tenuous rope that can mean a lot or absolutely nothing. The ability to go to school and earn degrees just means that you have average or above average intelligence, you know how to write, you have the time to study, and you have staying power. How your knowledge transfers to the "real world" is something else entirely. As strange as it may sound, I believe that I have learned far more in the real world than I ever learned from a book or a professor. Many professors have spent the last 20 years of their life in a classroom and have scant knowledge of current trends in their field other than what they have read. I have a friend with 2 Phd's and 3 Masters. Would I hire him to run my business? No chance. It helps to have the necessary experience in your CHOSEN field, whether it is in a sports service or waste management. My point was that your level of expertise in this area and more so, your attempt to expound on the feelings of Fletcher's clients, comes from a total lack of understanding. Let his clients do the talking for you.

 

[fletcher]

first off going gone and yzz leave me out of these threads and yzz you don't have a clue to sports hadicapping and i will leave it at that ,I give out many winners on this board and have been a service long before this site was even built. I still give out plays and win more then they lose because i have people here that like what i play. as for you going gone i think i know how to run a business but thanks anyway you have been in my threads thanking me for a game before which is good i have no beef with that but i always get pulled into this shit, i can end it real easy and won't be skin off my back trust me would be less stress on me having to defend myself when i have gave much to this form. ''

I posted a play and said how i played it and that was that even took the time to do a small write up and i was balls on with it last week i gave you n.mex in fb 8 units how i played it. I make money and so do my clients so yes i have a clue to what i am doing. It is not about action it is about winning more then you pay for what you got. so when i have games that i play myself i give them here and even tell you how much i played them for because djv ask me to so i did for him if no rating it is a half unit. the service would not give out a 8 unit play that is WHAT I PLAYED IT FOR READ IT VERY WELL WHAT I PLAYED IT FOR NO BODY ELSE. The key to winning is playing the least games as you can and make a good profit for the week,then the month will take care of itself and then the year will so on down the line. Just leave me out of these things every week or 2 for the last F U C K I N G 2 MONTHS I GET BROUGHT UP OUT OF NO WHERE BUT YET I STILL GIVE OUT GOOD GAMES HERE FOR THE MOST PART , MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE MY SPOT GG AND YZZ AND POST THE PLAYS AND I WILL GO ABOUT MY OWN BUSINESS. LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS SHIT THANK YOU.

 

[Goiing Gone]

For starters Fletcher I didn't bring your name into it Mr. Hockey did and Ferdie fueled it, so do not step on my sack.
I do just fine on my own and do not need anyone to "handicap" for me.If your clients want to pay let them.
YYZ was just giving his opinion in reference to (Ferds statement that entered you into the thread)
So rip on HOCKEY and FERDville, not us!

 

[ELVIS]

all this comotion over one 6% play ? thunder, if he is reading this crap, should be at home laughing his a$$ off. so much emotion displayed over one play ! ludicrous

i don't know what to think. i wish the guy still posted all his picks for free as well, but he does not. regardless, all this anger over one lousy pick doesn't seem worth it to me.
:shrug:

 

[yyz]

That's par for this fuking course!

I question a couple of things, and now I'm a trouble maker?

Fletch, is this where I am supposed to say "fuk you", and say "anytime you want to match plays......blah, blah, blah."? Sorry....can't do it.

I don't have any idea how you, or any other "service" runs their show. I said that!!!!! After I read that quote by ferdville, I was, in all actuallity, shocked by what I saw. I wasn't being a smart-ass......wasn't trying to imply anything......just curious. Is that the way you run your show? Win on day one, and quit? Sure, that sounds all well and good, but if you have 10 plays come up that you like during the rest of the week, it would seem to me you are doing a disservice in not giving them out. Now, if I am a client and you tell me, "That's all for the week. We have reached our goal." I guess I would be happy. But, now I see an 8 unit play, (still only assuming that is a big play) would I not be a little inclined to wager on it?

Of course, it won't hurt against your rating as a "service" if it should lose, or for it if it wins, but if you are playing it, why the hell wouldn't a customer?:shrug:

Again, silly me assuming, but I figure you posted that play so people could use it! Feel free to correct me if I am, once again, in the wrong.

I never tried to tell anyone how to run their shop, Eric. I mearly mentioned that I didn't care for your philosophy. Anytime someone has question with something you do, you charge at them full speed. That makes no sense. I completely understand your wanting to have a "winning week" every week. That affords you the ability to say, "We have won 9 of the last 10 weeks", or something to the sort. All I was saying was, if you have more plays but won't post them because the loss of those plays would drag down your weekly record, that seems weak! You say it's about making your clients money, but you could be costing them money if you have another 7 units of winners that "don't count", right?


As far as your personal shot at me "not having a clue" how to handicap, that's fine. I have a 40hr a week grind that pays my bills. This is fun for me. This is shits and giggles. I tried to take it seriously some time ago, but it is far too monotonous to try and crunch stats, numbers, players, etc, for me. I just don't have that attitude. I do just fine with my small plays here, and there. Suck at this....win at that. Reload, or get a check sent out.......doesn't much matter. I post my records when I post my plays. People can take them or leave them. Hard as it might seem for you to believe, I have provide more winners than losers in my 3 1/2 years here. Football continues to be my bane, but like a stubborn child, I refuse to listen to what's best for me.

Please don't take the fact that I questioned your methods, as me slamming you. As I've had to defend myself in the past with you, I will once again say, this is nothing agianst you personally.

 

[Jalen45]

some of you guys are unreal, holy $hit, get a friggin life. :wall:

 

[maverick2112]

the 6% play has gotten a lot of attention........was it a winner????

 

[GENO]

Eric don't get mad at me but you set your own trap and then stepped in it. :nono:

A giving out plays on this forum is great and you have always done a good job, and I for one appreciate the past efforts.

BUT

B Once you shut down for the week (even though with a profit) and come in here and post a large play for you 1 OF 5 things are gonna happen:

1 Non-paying memebers here play and win, THAT IS GOOD

2 Paying members see it here, play and win, THAT IS GOOD

3 Non-paying members see it here and pass, but are impressed and sign up, THAT IS GOOD

4 Paying members see it here but pass because you said WE ARE DONE and don't get the winner THAT IS BAD

5 Paying members don't see it here until after the game is final and is a winner, but they were not watching because you said HEY we are done. SO they missed something that they would have PLAYED from a service they ARE PAYING FOR and would have BENEFITED FROM, BUT DIDN'T EVEN GET THE CHANCE TO MAKE A DECISION ON, PRO OR CON! THAT IS REALLY BAD!!!


It is NEAR TO impossible to pick and chose a services plays and make money as one tends to throw out a winner or two every month, and keep losers.

But to miss a play that is perceived as a significant play that was a winner is demoralizing to the members and will even infuriate some of them. That is simply human nature and the greed factor at work.

Ferd, yes, he did make money, and yes, he did shut down, and no, not many follow money management, but Eric it is like the boss who sets the rules and expects the employees to follow but breaks them himself, pretty soon they simply don't buy into the program anymore.


Eric is his own man and is free to do as he pleases but to publicize a significant play in this forum and have just one paying member miss it is a travisty in THAT players mind, and that is human nature, period. I imagine more than one missed it, however it is no sweat off of my back as I am not a member of the group and did not play it, nor would I have if I had seen it, just trying to explain in simple, understandable terms the way it appears to the crowd.

One thing for sure one play, nor one week, nor one month matters tremendously in a lifetime of wagering, but it is hard to focus on that when you have JUST missed a nice win.

Hope this makes sense and I think pretty well explains the insight I personally have about the mess.





I am just about finished trying to help others in here not that I am some Great Guru, but one man's experience can save others many trials and failures if they have one thing ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED to learn,

an open mind,

I made a point to try and give another individual on this site I had previously had an idea exchange with some positive reinforcement of what we had spoke of previously and some constructive directives into what he was asking his play to do. THAT BACKFIRED BADLY on me and the dialogue that followed was much less than attractive. I chose to ignore it in that thread but mention it here so others will realize that I am simply trying to help even though my insights may be flawed to a degree, they have worked for me over the years.

When you ask a play to win a wager for you, you are in fact hiring those players on that team to execute an effort for you to overcome another teams efforts to do the same. Rarely does one professional team care about blowing out an opponent on the road and rubbing the opponent's face in it and playing a touchdown plus favorite in an away role is never good strategy in my opinion. These last three paragraphs have nothing to do with Eric, other than the fact he like I have tryed to pass along info and help others that is why he posts in here. This site has helped me so I in return try to help and enjoy the efforts and insight of others.

Respectfully

 

[boilermaker]

Totally agree Mr. Hockey. I'm tired of guys bashing others whom they have followed and then went pay. More power to them. I will not pay for pix but if someone else wants too then so be it.

 

[CryBoy]

:clap: GENO and YYZ are correct.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Totally agree Mr. Hockey. I'm tired of guys bashing others whom they have followed and then went pay. More power to them. I will not pay for pix but if someone else wants too then so be it.

Thank you for the kind words. I think some of the hatred stems from jealousy. Some of these people obsess with the bashing of people who sell picks.

Great win by the Boilermakers this morning!

 

[THUNDER]

THIS IS FUNNY STUFF, ALOT OF GReAT CAPPING AND THINGS YOU GUYS AR E TEACHING ME. I MAY BE OUT IN VEGAS FOR THE SB REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING SOME OF YOU ROCKET SCIENTISTS. thanks for all the concern.

 

[S-Love]

I see you've taught RAYMOND how to put %'s next to his plays...now if you could only get him to post his record, that'd be something.

 

[Goiing Gone]

OH BOY! I get to meet the Almighty THUNDER

sincerely,
THE ROCKET SCIENTIST

 

[THUNDER]

guys i suggest you stay away from my action and threads. looks like it causes alot of stress. And there is only one ALMIGHTY> If you would like to meet me. I would love to meet you. unless your going to act like a punk.Then just stay away from me and my friends.

 

[duelec98]

Thunder I will be in Vegas and I have your back!!! Just let me know and I will make sure that I am there. Is sounds like a bunch of punks in here to me

 

[bear]

IMHO.............

IMHO.............

I usually try to stay out of this nonsense because I know it will lead to nothing productive (in most cases) but I feel I must weigh in here and lend support if nothing else.
As MJ's has grown over the years it seems that the average contributer is perhaps younger, in any event, much less experienced, is immature related to gambling and life issues, and seems quite willing to criticize .........while bringing 0........nada, nothing to the table in the way of picks, logic, expertise in money management, or anything worthwhile.

I want to add that Madjack's is also home to some of the BEST and brightest young cappers I've seen ......and.......(you know who you are and we all know who you are) so please know that I am not trying to condemn young people. Overall it seems that youthful inexperience (and it must be that) is at fault because NOONE with experience, who has survived decades at this, who is worth (by contribution and respectfully adding information)....... weighing in on performance...... would ever say the disrespectful stuff that goes around here!

Thunder, Raymond, Fletcher et al......You guys have been here and made significant contributions for years! You do not deserve the crap, the extravagant babble from the novice,the wet behind the ears, the degenerate losers, who have nothing more to do than seek a guru to feed their need for action and bitch when they play a few losers.

Seen too much........(never have and won't pay for picks) BUT

MUCH RESPECT!
bear

 

[skulldog]

well said bear