9/11 video/flight 77 hitting the pentagon video released

[gardenweasel]

be patient,guys...somebody will crack...

.i believe at some point,at least one of the thousands of conspirators that it would take to pull attacks off on the towers,the pentagon et al will have to buckle.....

not to mention rove fiendishly pulling off that tsunami in southeast asia.....that`s also being alleged....

some evil genius,he is...

the mainstream media is actually putting this crap in their papers,now...

proves the old concept that truth does not exist and reality is whatever you think it is....

give it another decade,and history will be rewritten so many times that 9-11-01 and its events will be completely erased...

 

[yyz]

weasel, why do there have to be "thousands of conspirators" involved in the 9-1-1 sham?

It would seem to me that "whomever" pulled it off is doing a nice job of keeping pretty quiet about it, wouldn't you agree?

It would also seem that "their" goal was met, since not one single mouse fart of an attempt has even occured in the last five years. If it was to see fear run in America's streets, then where the hell are they? Why can no one answer my simple question?

Or maybe the second coming of the "terrorists" will be about as likely as the second coming of "Christ"?

The believers will keep believing, I guess...........Believe what the Good Book, and the Good Government sell you.


There is no Santa.......there is no God........and there are no foreign terrorists flying planes into your buildings.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Completely agree. It's far fetched that every event on 9-11 was a government backed plan... BUT, why don't they release the other videos of the plane hitting the pentagon? How is it a threat to national security to show us those other videos?

there could be a ton of reasons.......
or there could be one reason

they don't want to show them to you


This is all you need to come to a conspiracy conclusion?

The government has tons of historical info locked up that no one will see.....much of it, nobody knows about. And it's probably more conspiracy compelling stuff than you not being allowed to see something.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Where are these "foreign threats"?

Anyone?..........Anyone?

It's all bullshit, and it always has been, IMO.

A few specific events sited here within the US or against Americans abroad along with a number of people getting their heads chopped off while being video taped.......

1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.
1982?1991
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.
1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.
1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
2003
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004
May 29?31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11?19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn, in Amman Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

 

[ImFeklhr]

there could be a ton of reasons.......
or there could be one reason

they don't want to show them to you


This is all you need to come to a conspiracy conclusion?

The government has tons of historical info locked up that no one will see.....much of it, nobody knows about. And it's probably more conspiracy compelling stuff than you not being allowed to see something.

No, that's not ALL I need to come to a conspiracy conclusion. It is one of dozens of pecularities surrounding the 9/11 events. And, in fact I haven't come to ANY conclusions. That is my point, I would like to hear/see more information.

I am not a poster child for conspiracy theories, but nor do I blindly accept everything the gov't tells us.

And I think it is REALLY weak to say "oh well 'you nuts' have no right to be suspicous, after all you people think we never put a man on the moon, and you people think there are no terrorists etc etc."

That is straw-man rhetoric at it's worst. (not that you specifically said those in this post)

I totally agree that the government has tons of stuff locked up, and since the government 'occasionally' doesn't have the best interest of "its" people in mind it is up to us to ask questions and fight to get the info. The government will simply not volunteer controversial information. Since it seems that it is us [citizens] vs. them [our government], we have to play that game and fight for as much disclosure as we can get. Put in the predicament that we are, I don't see anything wrong with raising holy hell now and again.

 

[yyz]

IO............nice spin. I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I meant.

Since Sept. 11, 2001 for starters, and on US soil, for another. I'm thinking it's not a "foreign threat", if we're standing on someone elses home field. We're the foreigner, in that case.


And if we do come under attack every 7 years or so, that's pretty decent odds. I'll take my chances, whether it be some religious driven nut, or some ego feeding, money grubber.

 

[gardenweasel]

welcome yyz......i think i`m a little flummoxed by your question....

are you saying that 9/11 was a sham?......or that the terrorist threat in general is a sham?....because the general terrorist threat isn`t just a u.s. issue....it`s an international issue involving the middle east,the west,the far east....even australia....

are you saying that losing 3 or 4 thousand folks stateside every 5 or six years is no prob?....with the possiblility of the next attack potentially including a dirty nuclear bomb or something worse...possibly a food or water supply poisoning...a dam or nuclear facility breach....



are you saying embassy bombings are o.k. as long as they`re overseas?.....kidnappings?...head loppings?..heaving wheelchair bound old men off of cruise ships?...

you saying terrorism is just a nuisance?...or just the 9/11 "ploy"...

i`m curious...help me out...

when i know exactly where you`re heading,i`ll also try and explain why we`ve been safe since 2001...

`ll try and give it my best shot...

 

[SpursDynasty]

when i know exactly where you`re heading,i`ll also try and explain why we`ve been safe since 2001...

"And most chillingly of all, this is the Law and Order and Terror government. It promised protection ? or at least amelioration ? against all threats: conventional, radiological, or biological.

It has just proved that it cannot save its citizens from a biological weapon called standing water."

- Keith Olbermann (speaking on Katrina)

 

[IntenseOperator]

It has just proved that it cannot save its citizens from a biological weapon called standing water."

- Keith Olbermann (speaking on Katrina)

Think it's called "an act of God"

not standing water

 

[AR182]

A closer look at 9-11 'inside job' theory

A closer look at 9-11 'inside job' theory

i won't even get into this ridiculous conspiracy theories.....all i can say that you conspiracy theorists are watching too many shows...ie...24....

i'll expect the conspiracy people to dismiss this article because it xcomes from a conservatrive web site......


? 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


My apologies.

When writing my last column ("No, Virginia, a missile did not hit the Pentagon") I was unaware that the "inside job" theories I challenged had, for many people, hardened into dogma or something close to it. Indeed, at least two respondents told me that they either teach or preach their 9-11 theories in church. I would have been far more tactful in my criticism had I known that.

The volume and intensity of my e-mail made me aware that I had blasphemed. What follows are some very typical examples, edited only for grammar:

"Shame on you."

"Cashill, you are either stupid, delusional or complicit."

"Hey bozo ... what are you going to do with that little bit of money you are being paid to spew that elementary, zombie riddled, falsity?"

"You are full of crap, and more and more people are figuring that out."

"You are obviously a shill for the government or a very close-minded person."

"Ostrich ? keep your neck firmly planted in the sand."

"You are no better than the rest of the hacks out there with something to sell. Only you are willing to excuse the murder of thousands of citizens by our own government to do it."

"I have read all there is on 9-11 and only a fool would believe that 19 Arabs pulled it off."

I received about 200 comparable e-mails ? several of them attacking WND and publisher Joseph Farah as well ? from what I had previously thought an audience of like-minded people. These letters came from the right ? not the left ? the proof of which was the almost total absence of profanity, a notable silver lining. Still, the dissonance among those of us on the right is deeper than I had anticipated and surely a source of great joy to our common enemies. It needs to be resolved, and I believe it can be.

In my previous column, I questioned the logic of the various "inside job" theories and made the mistake of referring readers to mainstream sources ? "United 93," Richard Miniter's "Disinformation," and the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics ? for details.

These made no impact. They are widely discounted as propaganda pieces. Several people informed me that one of the nine reporters on the comprehensive Popular Mechanics piece, Ben Chertoff, is a nephew of DHS honcho, Michael Chertoff. Given this relationship, my respondents felt free to ignore the testimony of the 70 authorities with whom PM had consulted, like blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer, the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the attack.


"It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," Kilsheimer, chief executive officer of KCE Structural Engineers PC, tells PM. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box."

What struck me most forcefully about Kilsheimer's testimony was the following: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. OK?" I know that Kilsheimer is ultimately in the employ of the Pentagon, but I don't know any American who would lie about a detail like that. The missile-in-the-Pentagon theory works only if Kilsheimer is a shameless liar.

If there is any one publication that cannot be considered a shill of the New World Order ? as more than a few e-mails accused me and/or WND of being ? it is the New American, the journal of the John Birch Society. When I did daily talk radio, I subscribed to the publication because of its reliable, tough-minded reporting.

In checking, I discovered that the New American's gripe with the "inside job" theories was largely the same as mine, namely that the unfounded theories cheapen the well-founded. As a result, writes William Jasper:


Those of us who responsibly expose and oppose the one-world agenda of the Bush administration (as we did also with the Clinton administration, without fear or favor) are more easily marginalized as extremists and "conspiracy nuts."


Realizing that people like Kilsheimer might be disbelieved because of his establishment credentials, the New American turned to retired-Brig. Gen. Benton K. Partin, U.S. Air Force, one of the world's leading missile and military explosives experts and a man, who, as the New American relates, "has proven his independence and willingness to challenge cover-ups in the past."

Partin, who lives near the Pentagon, began studying the evidence immediately. "When you slam an aluminum aircraft at high velocity into a concrete structure, it's going to do exactly what we saw happen at the Pentagon on 9-11," Partin told the New American. The near absence of visible evidence on the exterior resulted from the plane's forced entry into the building. "The aluminum cylinder ? the plane fuselage ? is acting like a shaped charge penetrating a steel plate. It keeps penetrating until it is consumed." As to wings, adds Partin, they "have a much lower mass cross-section and are loaded with fuel besides, so there is little left of them except small bits and pieces."

This same New American piece, "9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction," addresses the various World Trade Center theories, in particular the one offered by Dave vonKleist in his popular video, "911 In Plane Site." VonKleist, among others, likens the collapse of WTC 1.2 and 7 to the 1995 attack on Oklahoma City's Murrah Building, which Partin himself believes to have been caused by internal demolition charges, in addition to the Ryder truck bomb.

Partin absolutely rejects any comparison. "The claims that the explosions and fires would not have generated enough heat to cause the [WTC] building to collapse are nonsense," said Partin. "Steel doesn't have to 'melt' as some of these people claim. The yield strength of steel drops very dramatically under heat, and the impact of the airliners would have severely impacted the support columns." Every structural engineer that the New American consulted felt the same.

WTC 7 generated more queries among my correspondents than did any other detail. For the record, this 47-story building stood just north of the twin towers and was connected by a pedestrian walkway. It collapsed at 5:20 p.m. about nine hours after the original attack for reasons that are not entirely certain.

Some theorists argue that the presumed demolition of this building more or less proves that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were the result of controlled demolition as well. Many of my correspondents anchored their theories ? and their wrath at my complicity ? on the statement that building owner and "traitor" Larry Silverstein made to a PBS crew some months after the attack:


I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire [in WTC 7], and I said, you know, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.


Silverstein later clarified that the "it" that was to be pulled was the crew of firefighters still in the obviously damaged building. Theorists insists that by "pull it" Silverstein meant to trigger the controlled demolition pre-set by authorities. In the combined Pentagon-WTC theory, this is the strongest evidence for an "inside job."

United Flight 93 is of another category altogether. As I mentioned in the last column, the shoot-down theories make a fair amount of sense. One problem, though, is that if our planes did shoot down United 93, they would seem to have thwarted the larger "new Pearl Harbor" plot in place at the Pentagon and the WTC.

A few months ago, I made a video for a group called the 9-11 Families for A Secure America. I interviewed eight people who lost loved ones on Sept. 11, six of whom lost children. They have since dedicated their lives to securing our borders. If the "19 Arabs" are an illusion, as many of my correspondents seem to think, these family members are wasting their lives.

Before you tell them that, before you accuse the president and his staff of the greatest crime in American history, the burden of proof falls on you, not me. This is a serious responsibility. It is not enough to string a few anomalies together and call it an "inside job." America needs to hear what did happen, if you know what did not.

Until then, these arguments among ourselves only weaken our national will and strengthen the hands of those whose well-documented evil now seems trivial by comparison.

 

[yyz]

Wease,

I am saying, like some ghost from the past once said, "The only thing we have to fear is....fear itself."

I am saying the "threat" is not here, like the government wants to scare us into believing.

I am saying I don't "buy" the BS that Uncle Sam sells me, when it comes to "the truth". I certainly don't swing with the "nuts", as you guys call them, either, but I live in the grey area........I ask questions. I don't just accept what is spoon fed to me. That is why I stopped watching the news 15 years ago, and quit reading the newspaper babble.

There is an absolute truth as to what happened in New York on September 11, 2001. That is a fact. You can believe everything you are told from anyone who tells you their story. It's really that simple. Most people want to believe their news carriers, and government, but if you stand back..........there really are some glaring questions! Just ask them! That's what I am doing. Asking questions.

You dare to ask a question, and you are labled a nut, or conspiricy theorist. Is it really a silly question to ask why a huge plane would leave such minimal damage to the Pentagon? I ask you this:

If you were aiming to cause damage to that building, wouldn't you fly it into the heart of the thing? Why would you hit a side wall? Why not take center aim? Same with the towers? Why does the second plane almost miss the fukker?!

We see tons of plane crash footage all of the time, and there is shit everywhere, but in Pennsyvania, it looks like someone cleaned the field! Things that just seem "questionable", and I would think you could agree with that. And all these "questionable" events are involved. THAT, my friend, will get you some "nuts" finding conspiricies! I wonder why?


And again, ask the question, "Why have "they" not continued to beat the shit out of us since we were at our weakest? (9/1/1)"

My answer continues to be......."they", do not exist.

 

[gardenweasel]

i wouldn`t call you a nut...i appreciate your sense of humor......something that`s in short supply around here most nights....

i think as you said,you`re believing what you want to believe...


everybody asked themselves for the last 4/5 years why haven't we had a second attack, which everybody expected within weeks or months, certainly years. ...and it didn't happen....

there were plots...and attempts...

the ones we know about...

10 Plots

1)The West Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot to attack targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes. The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of 9/11.

2)The East Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack targets on the East Coast of the United States using hijacked commercial airplanes.

3)The Jose Padilla Plot: In May 2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot that involved blowing up apartment buildings in the United States. One of the plotters, Jose Padilla, also discussed the possibility of using a "dirty bomb" in the U.S.

4)The 2004 UK Urban Targets Plot: In mid-2004 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot that involved urban targets in the United Kingdom. These plots involved using explosives against a variety of sites.

5)The 2003 Karachi Plot: In the Spring of 2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack Westerners at several targets in Karachi, Pakistan.

6)The Heathrow Airport Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and several partners disrupted a plot to attack Heathrow Airport using hijacked commercial airliners. The planning for this attack was undertaken by a major 9/11 operational figure.

7)The 2004 UK Plot: In the Spring of 2004 the U.S. and partners, using a combination of law enforcement and intelligence resources, disrupted a plot to conduct large-scale bombings in the UK.

8)The 2002 Arabian Gulf Shipping Plot: In late 2002 and 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot by al-Qa'ida operatives to attack ships in the Arabian Gulf.

9)The 2002 Straits of Hormuz Plot: In 2002 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot to attack ships transiting the Straits of Hormuz.

10)The 2003 Tourist Site Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot to attack a tourist site outside the United States.

............................................................
5 Casings and Infiltrations


1)The U.S. Government & Tourist Sites Tasking: In 2003 and 2004, an individual was tasked by al-Qa'ida to case important U.S. Government and tourist targets within the United States.

2)The Gas Station Tasking: In approximately 2003, an individual was tasked to collect targeting information on U.S. gas stations and their support mechanisms on behalf of a senior al-Qa'ida planner.

3)Iyman Faris & the Brooklyn Bridge: In 2003, and in conjunction with a partner nation, the U.S. government arrested and prosecuted Iyman Faris, who was exploring the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge in New York. Faris ultimately pleaded guilty to providing material support to al-Qa'ida and is now in a federal correctional institution.

4)2001 Tasking: In 2001, al-Qa'ida sent an individual to facilitate post-September 11 attacks in the U.S. U.S. law enforcement authorities arrested the individual.

5)2003 Tasking: In 2003, an individual was tasked by an al-Qa'ida leader to conduct reconnaissance on populated areas in the U.S.
.............................................................



the war in afghanistan obviously had an effect on al qaeda........

the war in iraq has diverted terrorists and jihadists into iraq as opposed to attacking america.....



and what we've heard over the last six months with these so-called scandals...

the secret prisons where high-level al qaida have been held, the coercive interrogation.....

the n.s.a. eavesdropping and phone tracking...the patriot act...

all these defensive measures of gathering intelligence -- we were always weak on human intelligence, and that's why we had 9/11.....

 

[gardenweasel]

as far as 9/11..i`m sorry your buying into this fuzzy logic b.s....i read up on what it would take to bring down 2 buildings like the world trade center..not to mention getting 3 or 4 crews of suicidal nuts to hit the wtc at exactly the right floor....not a floor up...or a floor down....the exact floor to perfect the demolition....

""Controlled Demolition, a company that specializes in blowing up buildings had this to say about a smaller (33 story) structure:

In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.""


controlled demolition is a very exacting, time consuming and technical process....

the idea that scores of people could wire the w.t.c. for demolition without anyone noticing is beyond ludicrous....

""the wiring to bring down towers this large would take months to install, without the need to keep it secret from the tens of thousands who worked there.....not a single person from the phantom demolition crew has ever materialized, nor will they ever""...this from a structural engineer.....

te idea that scores of people would calmly wire for demolition two 110 story buildings crowded with thousands of workers and tourists and not question what they were doing is absurd...

i said thousands would have to be involved...well,certainly hundreds would have to be...
there has not been, as far as I am aware, a single structural engineer, or demolition expert, who has backed this absurd demolition theory...

a fewe philosophy profs...adjunct profs at that...





yet somehow, a massive cover-up involving scores, perhaps hundreds of people, the white house, rove, the pentagon, the cia(that basically hates the administration)halliburton(lol), the saudis and god knows who else, flawlessly executed the 9/11 attacks and not one of these conspirators had any qualms or second thoughts about participating in mass murder?...

can`t plant one wmd in iraq....wtf...why not blame that anthrax attack on al qaeda?....

the 9/11 commission(very large PDF 585 pages),states that the pilots were in flight training in the 90's.....bush was in office for 9 months....., does that mean clinton was in on the plot?.....

yyz...i`ve read your stuff on here...your a smart guy...you don`t really believe this crap...


i get the "bush is hitler" stuff...`lotta guys hate bush....he`s not my bunky right now either...


but,i don`t get that bush is a moron that can`t say "nuclear"....but can plot the most ingenious mass murder in history in the first 9 months of his administration...

 

[yyz]

I'm certainly not saying the Bush Administration carried out this plan. I am saying they are involved in covering it up. Now, when I say that, people will assume that means he knows who he's covering up for. That might not be so, either! It could just be a case of "covering your ass".

Let's face it, if something of that magnitude occurs, we as a nation want answers. He has to provide some. (And hey.......if you're already looking for an excuse for a war......)

As for what it would take to manually take down those buildings? I can't imagine that type of undertaking, but yes......I would think it would take a tremendous amount of time and effort. BUT, If the theory of billions of dollars worth of gold was worth stealing to me, I would expel a hell of a lot of years and man power to get it.

At any rate, let's get off of the speculation, and back to what actually happened. The big explanation was always how "hot" the Jet fuel burned in the towers. This gave the reason for the collapses. Now, I will grant you that I have no idea how this type of fuel works, but again.......I asked myself a few questions:

Did you every use gas to help a fire along? Did you ever start a charcoal grill with lighter fluid? What happens to that fuel? It is the first thing to burn off. Your charcoal is there long after the fluid is gone. Your wood, etc, is burning long after the gas is gone.

Somehow, I am supposed to believe that a few thousand gallons of this liquid, at 400+mph, mannaged "pool up" and and melt a couple of buildings made of concrete and steel in less that an hour? Come on.......Now it's my turn to say, "you don't really believe THIS crap?"

 

[SpursDynasty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU

WTC Building 7 was not even included in the Investigation report??!?!? :scared

What an outrage.

47 stories!!!

 

[ImFeklhr]

My favorite random conspiracy: Marvin Bush, Jeb and George's brother was chariman of the company that was in charge of security for the WTC.

Could mean nothing, but just one more of those weird details.

 

[gardenweasel]

steel doesn't have to melt to lose its tensile strength - it just has to bend enough so that it can't bear the load above.....those beams are built to withstand normal changes in ambient temperature...not burning jet fuel....combined with other combustibles....

you also have to take into account the effects of all the burning insulation on wiring in the verticals of the building.....that insultation is primarily packed hydrocarbons (i.e., plastic), and there is a LOT of it in even a small office building.....

think phone, computer networks, signalling inside the building, etc. -- you would not beleive how much of this crap is in even a small office building, all packed together very tightly.....

it does not take that much to light it off....it burns VERY hot and VERY fast once lit -- pretty much like a low-explosive bomb......

the problem in large buildings is supposedly far worse. ...
supposedly,you don't need enough heat to melt or even soften the steel, you just need enough "rapid uneven heating", and really not that much....

supposedly,it doesn`t take as much rapid uneven heating end-to-end as you`d think tol cause this effect....... rapidly burning fuel on one side but not the other (or even on top but not on bottom) causes more than enough rapid uneven heating to generate this effect....more than enough heat is released by such rapid burning to cause this type of severe bending and twisting.....

and once the structural members undergo such effects,not to mention that enough floor joists were removed by the planes and the fire so that the outer column's unsupported length was longer than the point at which the explosion and collision took place,,,,and bingo...

like i said,sorry to hear that`s your belief...you`re entitled to it...from what i`ve read from you on here,you seem like a solid guy....

i always enjoyed the s-love shin-kicks....

i don`t believe for a second that you`re bucking for your own t-shirt kiosk at u.c./ berzerkley....

so,i guess we`ll agree to disagree...

 

[yyz]

I hear you GW. I really do.

And I'm not trying my damnedest to grasp for something, so I can say, "Ah ha!". I just doesn't pass my smell test, and that will always bother me. I just don't see how two towers of that size can buckle that perfectly. I mean, not a single hitch on the way down. No hiccup or stall.......no push to one side or the other.......Nothing. On top of that, a third building goes in similar fashion for no explainable reason?

I don't really want to go back and forth with you, either. It is something that would be fruitless for us, and I respect your stance. The one thing we can agree on is that it was a senseless tragedy.