A coversationw with DTB and his teenage son

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Found this on my old email address from years back and thought it was kinda funny. Kinda reminds me of why our country is in the shape it is today. Thick skulls pass along knowledge that creates more thick skulls.

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey.
Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.
Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.
Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass
destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden.
Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.
Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to
use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we
went to War with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those
weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend
themselves.
Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they
had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.
Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those
Weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those
Weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.
Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam
Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade
another country.
Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his
country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.
Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in
sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.
Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate
gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.
Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.
People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and
tortured.
Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.
Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while
China is Communist.
Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.
Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba
are sent to prison and tortured.
Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.
Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other
hand, is not.
Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some
Laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business
with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being
capitalists like us.
Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and
started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become
capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.
Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.
Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam
Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a
Legitimate leader anyway.
Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a
country By force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the
United States.
Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan
is our friend.
Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.
Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by
Forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a Nation is an
Illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he
helped us invade Afghanistan.
Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.
Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men, Fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians, hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.
Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule of the Taliban.
Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th
were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.
Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.
Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too.
Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the Mujahadeen repel the Soviet
invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald
Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We
call them Russians now.
Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years
after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support
our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the
French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.
Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French
Fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.
Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what
We want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.
Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.
Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him
our friend, temporarily.
Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.
Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah*, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we
looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.
Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically
becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.
Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically
an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can
profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the
better.
Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war
is a Godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we
attacked Iraq?
Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.
Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells
him what to do.
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because
George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your
eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.
Good night, Daddy
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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If you had school full of peoples sons--who do you think would be their hero--a vet who had been there--or flag burning protestor?

Its kinda like your comment up in thread of Taoist jumping from plane--you feel threatened by those who dare--

Maybe you and Haskell can have your day in the sun--I can vividly picture it now ---you and he leading pack of cyclist to protest--both with your little helmits with littles points protruding from rear--fanny pack in place--sipping on a water bottle.:)
 

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Maybe you and Haskell can have your day in the sun--I can vividly picture it now ---you and he leading pack of cyclist to protest--both with your little helmits with littles points protruding from rear--fanny pack in place--sipping on a water bottle.:)

:142smilie

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dtb....you would wreck several chainsaws trying to cut through propaganda this thick.......



d.m.....my friend...you are in dire need of an official "al goracle stress ball".....
 

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If you had school full of peoples sons--who do you think would be their hero--a vet who had been there--or flag burning protestor?

Its kinda like your comment up in thread of Taoist jumping from plane--you feel threatened by those who dare--

Maybe you and Haskell can have your day in the sun--I can vividly picture it now ---you and he leading pack of cyclist to protest--both with your little helmits with littles points protruding from rear--fanny pack in place--sipping on a water bottle.:)

I guess the vet would be my hero cause i don't know anyone who burns flags. My real hero would be the guy who knows the flag burning and the gay marriage issues always comes up around the election and could see right thru the bullshit. Now if you are a vet who can't see thru this or a protestor who can, i would side with the protestor.
 

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Your correct Bobby --but they were out of harms way in their comfort zone--wonder if they had any remorse after the fact?
---While I did find the fact no one did anything disgusting--that emotion was only 2ndary in viewing--My intial emotion was pride in the 91 year old vet--who despite taking numerous punches to the face--never once turned loose of his car door or backed down.

--and it is those type of people that made America what it is today--in spite of the onlookers.
 

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and some get deferments and run to london to protest the war....(sorry,couldn`t find any pictures of bill in a military uniform)....
 

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yeah, some did.


VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyle: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve
Newt Gingrich -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment


Rush Limbaugh -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.


Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
 
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John Wayne -- sought deferment (to further acting career).

You have a valid point and post, but let's not get CRAZY here. The next thing you'll see is that Sean Penn never served or something...be reasonable.

:bigun:
 

gardenweasel

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i noticed that chris matthews was basically the only liberal on that list.....

i think it`s amazing that guys like george stapholococcus,sandy berger,keith olbermann et al all served with honor.....sidney blumenthal(a joo)...

trial lawyer william cohen as secretary of defense?....

reno,the author of the waco massacre?....

you libs should be very proud.....

i mean,they didn`t make that list,so i`d surmise that they were all military....

:SIB

you`re so easy...:142smilie
 
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yeah, some did.


VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyle: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve
Newt Gingrich -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment


Rush Limbaugh -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.


Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Air America liberal Randi Rhodes has more military service than all these people combined. That's one impressive list. Sean Hannity's such a pussy.:142smilie Geez, you'd think at least one or 2 of these guys would actually not be a hypocrite, but I guess they all are.

For the record, I wouldn't really call Matthews a 'liberal'. He's a centrist ...like Kosar.
 
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