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djv

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I hope you don't think Saudi is on our side. If so it's the first time I seen you fooled. I hope you understand there could be more Saudis in Iraq doing no good then Iran has there. And you do remember who was in those plains 9/11.
And you do know Saudi manipulates oil to there own timing.
 

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I think the Saudi government is for themselves as everyone else is DJV--The only diff is we share one thing in common with Saudi gov--a common enemy Alqueda--The Saudi gov have taken out more terrorists in last year than we did in the entire 90's.

I can't think of just 1 Iran has taken out--can you?

On the plane thing--just so happens UBL was once big cheese in Saudi until Saudi gov turned on him--however he retained radical followers there.

Now being a logical person and knowing
A: Saudi's are at war with AQ
B: UBL and AQ took responsibilty for 911

Therefore it would lead me to believe it was UBL and his radical element in Saudi that was responsible and not the the Saudi gov.

--a fair comparison would be UBL"s assertion in every speech that the U.S. is weak--

Its not the U.S. that is weak--only certain elements within it ;)
 

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Maybe you could give us some examples of the hate the two examples above are speading. :shrug:

other than abortion which has religious entities on both sides--I can't seem to come with any.

How about this--Let those concerned about big business (economy and jobs) religion (family values) to themselves and back our miltary leaders

---and the other side can promte their hate--and have the code pink militia ready to protect them and don their little pink statue of liberty hats as in vidoe above and show their us how brave they are and what courage and honor are about.

Do I really need to give examples of hate and judgmental commentary from the religious right over the years? You don't really need those links, do you? You don't think they judge others, mandate policy, and promote lifestyle and religious ideology to their voting - er, congregations - followers? You don't think they hold candidates hostage for bestowing upon them their support?

You don't think big business expresses their hate - or at least their lack of financial "love" with their backing and support? You don't think this open hatred of some candidates through private (and public) financing of studies to discredit their position has any bearing on the political makeup of this country?

Have you forgotten (or just decided it would not help your cause) about Swift-Boating? The ongoing attacks on John Kerry from what could certainly be labeled as a brand of hate? Plenty of Hillary and other dem candidate bashing - full of hate - from celebrity news mouthpieces on TV and radio. We have those same bashers given exclusives to help that bashing along.

I don't understand your premise here: How about this--Let those concerned about big business (economy and jobs) religion (family values) to themselves and back our miltary leaders . Are you suggesting we leave big business and religion alone no matter what, back our military leaders no matter what, and only criticize other groups? Why leave certain elements above reproach, when they clearly play a major role in the current political scene? I know why YOU want that to happen, just wondering the logic in it.

I generally don't go along with the protesting and hysteria that goes along with the groups you mention. I think you know that. But when an administration goes to the lengths that this one has to stay above reproach and control any kind of recourse to anything it does, it breeds this kind of response. Do you ever remember this kind of thing going on during the Bush I administration? Maybe there was some of that...I certainly don't remember the active disgust against it that this one has cultivated.
 

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The U S is not weak. And never was. Not the problem. Even the few that are out of touch as you say the element are not the problem. We can go broke trying to fight this war. Or at least cause a recession. that can hurt us as much as terrorist can. And when they say at least the generals did yesterday. That only 10 to 15% are terrorist and alqueda in Iraq. We sure don't need all those troops there. And we don't need to spend so much money either. Were close to more taxes if you want to keep this fake war going. Or call it down over next 18 to 24 months and call it a win.
 

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No way the Bush administration will ask for sacrifice from his supporters in the form of higher taxes to pay for it. He is the only man in our history to advocate sacrifices of some while at the same time reducing the sacrifices of a few financially while fighting an arguable war.

But then, evidently he won't have to deal with the aftermath of the war...he'll be burning tumbleweeds in Crawford when the next President has to solve the problem.
 

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More Than 190 Arrested at D.C. Protest

Sep 16, 7:42 AM (ET)

By MATTHEW BARAKAT


WASHINGTON (AP) - Several thousand anti-war demonstrators marched through downtown Washington on Saturday, clashing with police at the foot of the Capitol steps where more than 190 protesters were arrested.

The group marched from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war. Their numbers stretched for blocks along Pennsylvania Avenue, and they held banners and signs and chanted, "What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now."

Army veteran Justin Cliburn, 25, of Lawton, Okla., was among a contingent of Iraq veterans in attendance.

"We're occupying a people who do not want us there," Cliburn said of Iraq. "We're here to show that it isn't just a bunch of old hippies from the 60s who are against this war."

Counterprotesters lined the sidewalks behind metal barricades. There were some heated shouting matches between the two sides.

The arrests came after protesters lay down on the Capitol lawn in what they called a "die in" - with signs on top of their bodies to represent soldiers killed in Iraq. When police took no action, some of the protesters started climbing over a barricade at the foot of the Capitol steps.

Many were arrested without a struggle after they jumped over the waist-high barrier. But some grew angry as police with shields and riot gear attempted to push them back. At least two people were showered with chemical spray. Protesters responded by throwing signs and chanting: "Shame on you."

The number of arrests by Capitol Police on Saturday was much higher than previous anti-war rallies in Washington this year. Five people were arrested at a protest outside the Pentagon in March when they walked onto a bridge that had been closed off to accommodate the demonstration, then refused to leave. And at a rally in January, about 50 demonstrators blocked a street near the Capitol, but they were dispersed without arrests.

The protesters gathered earlier Saturday near the White House in Lafayette Park with signs saying "End the war now" and calling for President Bush's impeachment. The rally was organized by the ANSWER Coalition and other groups.


Organizers estimated that nearly 100,000 people attended the rally and march. That number could not be confirmed; police did not give their own estimate. A permit for the march obtained in advance by the ANSWER Coalition had projected 10,000.

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan told the crowd is was time to be assertive.

"It's time to lay our bodies on the line and say we've had enough," she said. "It's time to shut this city down."About 13 blocks away, nearly 1,000 counterprotesters gathered near the Washington Monument, frequently erupting in chants of "U-S-A" and waving American flags.

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, speaking from a stage to crowds clad in camouflage, American flag bandanas and Harley Davidson jackets, said he wanted to send three messages.

"Congress, quit playing games with our troops. Terrorists, we will find you and kill you," he said. "And to our troops, we're here for you, and we support you."

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Associated Press writer Christine Simmons contributed to this report.
 

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see any hate in these eyes--

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b3_1190041214&p=1

Sep 17, 2007 12:35 am US/Pacific

Sally Field Reacts To Censored Speech At Emmys
Slideshow: Emmy Awards Red Carpet Arrivals
Slideshow: Emmy Award Winners
Slideshow: Prime Time Emmy Nominee Stars
(AP) LOS ANGELES Twenty-two years after her immortal Oscar speech, the Fox network really did NOT like Sally Field.

Accepting her Emmy on Sunday night for lead actress in a drama series ("Brothers and Sisters"), Field stumbled halfway through, lost her train of thought, screeched at the audience to stop applauding so she could finish talking -- and then was bleeped by Fox censors as she stammered through an anti-war rant.

"And, let's face it, if the mothers ruled the war, there would be no (expletive) wars in the first place," Field said, but Fox cut away for much of her comment.
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Yep and you'd be be speaking Japenese or German and still have slaves ;)
 
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Smurphy it should be easy. Check the wonderful things Rush the Lush has to say. I would say he hates about everyone other then about 12 million conservatives. See Ann Dips se do. And folks like Old Riley and his half backed ideas. Hannity hates everyone but the mirror he stands in front off.
Check that he loves the Iraq war to.
 

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djv took the words right out of my mouth...the idea that the right is filled with peace, love, and happiness while the left is fillled with hate is one the most hilarious of the myriad of dtb's delusions.
 

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Anti-Bush Protesters Arrested Near UN

Sep 25 01:57 PM US/Eastern



NEW YORK (AP) - About a dozen anti-war protesters were arrested Tuesday morning during a peaceful demonstration of President Bush's speech before the U.N. General Assembly.
The arrestees were among about 400 protesters opposing the Bush Administration's war in Iraq, and its incarceration in Guantanamo Bay of more than 300 men on suspicion of terrorism or links to al-Qaida or the Taliban. Many in the crowd wore orange jumpsuits in solidarity with the Guantanamo detainees.

The arrested demonstrators were taken into custody by police after kneeling on the sidewalk in an act of civil disobedience at the rally near the United Nations. One of them, 58-year-old Bill Ofenloch said they were trying to serve an "arrest warrant" on Bush for "high crimes against humanity."

Members of the anti-war group Code Pink performed a bit of street theater where a person wearing a Bush mask was arrested.

"What do we say?" shouted Code Pink's Medea Benjamin. "Arrest the criminal!"

The crowd picked up the chant. Once the arrests were made, the rest of the group began marching downtown. The demonstrators, in orderly fashion, walked along the sidewalks since they lacked a permit for a street march.
 
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