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A National Disgrace...

Friday, September 30, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly



A national disgrace, that is the subject this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

At the behest of the ACLU (search), federal judge Alvin Hellerstein (search) has ordered the government to release more pictures of the Abu Ghraib abuse. This, despite the fact that General Richard Myers (search), chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Hellerstein that the pictures would put U.S. military personnel in even more danger. And the general told us there's nothing new in those pictures.

At first, Hellerstein gave lip service to Myers, saying the general's concerns had to be taken seriously. But today, the judge rejected the safety of the troops saying, "Terrorists do not need pretexts for their barbarism."

Apparently, Hellerstein missed the Newsweek (search) Koran debacle, where 15 people were killed immediately after a bogus report by that publication, inciting impulsive violence is done on a case-by-case basis.

Now I'm so angry at Hellerstein's ruling, I cannot even describe it. First of all, I apologize to everybody American soldier all over the world on behalf of the vast majority of Americans who don't agree with Hellerstein and the ACLU.

Unfortunately, America is a divided country and there are elements in it like the ACLU, who will put soldiers in jeopardy for ideological reasons.

Hellerstein's a liberal judge, appointed by Bill Clinton (search). He and his wife have been consistent donors to left wing politicians. And the ACLU is thrilled to have him hearing the case. But all of that is no solace to young Americans risking their lives right now in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places. It is absolutely disgraceful that they should be facing even more danger because of this ruling.

Now maybe something good will come out of this. Hellerstein's ruling is so dangerous and irresponsible, the ACLU's crusade is so over the top, that perhaps Americans not angered by the far left before, will finally figure it out.

The far left element in America is a destructive force that must be confronted when it puts Americans in danger. There's no question Hellerstein has aided the terrorists by his ruling. No question at all. They can't wait to get these pictures. The BBC, CBC, French media, and many American newsrooms also can't wait. Why? Because the pictures will hurt the Bush administration. That's why. Once again, ideology trumps the safety of Americans.

Now I firmly believe most Democrats are as angry with Hellerstein's ruling as I am. I heard from some of them today on the radio. This is a far left problem, not a mainstream problem.

Finally, where the deuce is the Pentagon? How many generals stepped up today to denounce Hellerstein's ruling? They should be all over the media. There's an old adage in the military, look out for your guys. Are they looking out for their guys? And that's ?The Memo.?

The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day

One month ago today, Hurricane Katrina (search) hit, and since then the wind has been unbelievable in the media. Just for fun, I had the "Factor" research staff check out to see just how many anti-Bush editorials and op-eds The New York Times has printed since the storm blew in. The number is 53. There have been 53 anti-Bush columns in the New York Times (search) in a month.

My question to that paper is why bother? Why not just put the bold letters up on the editorial pages, "We hate Bush." You don't need any back up. You hate him, we got it.

Ridiculous? Of course. Unless you're waiting for the 54th article
 

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I thought this was going to be about Bill Bennett and his remarks.
This photo stuff is old business. Unless they have some photos that are stunning and new. Let's see our tax money pays the soldiers to work for us. Or who?
 

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If they'd have been responsible about running Abu Gharib then there wouldn't have been the abuse and the pictures that have led to this inquest.


The "national disgrace" is the actions taking place as documented by the pictures, those responsible should be punished instead of all this bull$hit talk about cover-up taking precedence over the truth and justice.

These pictures will show we're not as high and mighty and innocent as we claim to be to the rest of the world.

Bring the pictures out and force our government to man-up and admit the mistakes for once.
 

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Marco said:
These pictures will show we're not as high and mighty and innocent as we claim to be to the rest of the world.

Why do I get the feeling that you and other lefists like this idea?

Anything to bring down the USA and inflame the delusions of those who hate us, right?
 

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freeze....like I said, straighten thier act up and this wouldn't be an issue.

It can't be any plainer than that.

The truth hurts.
 

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freeze....like I said, straighten thier act up and this wouldn't be an issue.

It can't be any plainer than that.

The truth hurts.

I guess with your line of reasoning, we should release all videotapes of all rapes, murders, and tortures in this country.

Show it all. Let the people see it. We have the right!!!

Good thinking. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 

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dr. freeze said:
I guess with your line of reasoning, we should release all videotapes of all rapes, murders, and tortures in this country.

Show it all. Let the people see it. We have the right!!!

Good thinking. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:


We did something like that already. When the media had their field day down in New Orleans after the hurricane hit. Let's broadcast all our problems to the world and show people running around like animals.
way to go media.
 

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We did something like that already. When the media had their field day down in New Orleans after the hurricane hit. Let's broadcast all our problems to the world and show people running around like animals.
way to go media.

sadly you are correct

it was fascinating to see them armchair quarterbacking the relief effort all the while sensationalizing the desparation as well as showing bodies, stripping every last bit of dignity from them

now we have these leftists wanting ONLYcrimes shown that will portray our military in bad light.....these vermin will do anything and everything they can to take down our country

and they are easily exposed with simple questions like "why don't you want videotape of all crimes broadcast?"

such a proposal would warrant "privacy rights" etc....but they care nothing about the rights of those accused in the military....

pure hypocrisy
 

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I don't care how they clean it up just get it done. Lets not forget we used some of our ethics of help to invade Iraq. I'm not sure more pictures help that. But I do believe more then a Sargent or private should see time in the brig. I don't buy there were not more who new. Even the ones who may have given the orders. But get it done and put to bed.
 

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These pics are more of same from previous--nothing new toward procecutions--they won't make squat on investigation or anything else.Only objective is to bring back old issue

There only objection is to let the liberal media run 53 more days of front page coverage on old issue at expense of our troops.Then NYT sister publication Algezzeera can stir the pot again.

You can believe what you want but we are fighting a war on 2 fronts.

If you don't believe it look around at those making big issue of terrorist being humiliated in captivity and say nothing about videos of civilians being targeted and beheaded.
 

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Freeze again talking about hypocrisy of liberals. Interesting. Our administration condemning others for committing disgraceful acts (mind you - I am not saying anything like a beheading is equal to anything our soldiers evidently did...don't go there...) against our people, and preaches about how we are to be held in high regard about how we treat people. It turns out maybe we didn't do so well in this situation, and we should hide that from the world. Imagine that, this administration saying we should just hide the bad things and just go along with what they tell us is important, for our own good.

Thanks, George. Admirable behavior. Do what we say, admire us for it, but if you do what WE apparently have done, then you should be condemned.
 

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I guess it's also okay to blow the cover of a CIA agent if her husband put you in a bad light, huh? That's admirable behavior for our leaders, isn't it? What shining leadership we have to show the world.
 

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They are lucky I was not in charge of Abu Gharib because eveyone of those pieces of crap would come out looking just like our soldiers after capture !!!!!!!!!!! :firing: An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth ... cant be any fairer than that .
 

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My reasoning is like that of Chadman's....

Somehow we can post all the videos of the beheadings yet we are supposed to cover-up the media when we break the rules...

Cover it all up and then be patriotic and spew all sorts of propaganda about how we're better than the other people of the world... :rolleyes:

There's some very mishandled and inappropriate actions by both sides in this war and if it takes the media to help clean it up and make people think twice before another Abu Gharib happens in the future, then I'm all for it.

Nothing hypocritical about posting all the misdoings by both sides.
 

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Marco said:
My reasoning is like that of Chadman's....

Somehow we can post all the videos of the beheadings yet we are supposed to cover-up the media when we break the rules...

Cover it all up and then be patriotic and spew all sorts of propaganda about how we're better than the other people of the world... :rolleyes:

There's some very mishandled and inappropriate actions by both sides in this war and if it takes the media to help clean it up and make people think twice before another Abu Gharib happens in the future, then I'm all for it.

Nothing hypocritical about posting all the misdoings by both sides.

Its really this simple when you can show me one prisoner that we beheaded than people will start to take this BS seriously ....right now I have only seen our people beheaded and we should do the same ...when they quit we quit.....if you think we are doing wrong in Abu by all means move to the MidEast and just before they remove your brain dead head from your body ...you can scream.....BUT I WAS ON YOUR SIDE DAMIT !!!! :cursin:
 

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Another disgrace and we seem to just think it's ok. The richest country on earth with 12 to 13% of it living under poverty level. And surprise there not all black.
 

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Palehose said:
They are lucky I was not in charge of Abu Gharib because eveyone of those pieces of crap would come out looking just like our soldiers after capture !!!!!!!!!!! :firing: An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth ... cant be any fairer than that .

So then I assume after you did that, you would have no problem with the beheadings and bombings and hijackings that followed?

You can't try to claim moral superiority and do the exact same thing that the terrorists do. One or the other.
 

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"If you think we are doing wrong in Abu then...."

kosar said it quite nicely when he said "You can't claim moral superiority and do the exact thing that the terrorists do. One or the other."

What aspect are we going to try to implant in thier constitution (which will get shredded by the Islamic woodchipper).....

Do as we say or do as we do?
 
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