A productive Congress gets no respect from voters

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While I certainly am not defending our legislators on many things, personally hoping we can get some new blood in the next sessions, this was an interesting perspective on the past congress. I've seen many rip Obama and legislators for not doing anything, and of course many have ripped them for what they've done, perhaps rightfully so in many cases. I just found the last section of this interesting, and worthy of a thought. There were some pretty important things accomplished, that might be worth remembering when people say that nothing got done, etc. Before this goes further, I do know that this was written from a complimentary viewpoint towards the left... not the point of the post for me. The point was to remember some of what was accomplished.

A productive Congress gets no respect from voters

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer ? 2 hrs 48 mins ago

WASHINGTON ? The public panned it. Republicans obstructed it. Many Democrats fled from it. Even so, the session of Congress now drawing to a close was the most productive in nearly half a century.

Not since the explosive years of the civil rights movement and the hard-fought debut of government-supported health care for the elderly and poor have so many big things ? love them or hate them ? been done so quickly.

Gridlock? It may feel that way. But that's not the story of the 111th Congress — not the story history will remember.

Democrats are dearly hoping history won't repeat itself. In 1966, after Democrats created Medicare and Medicaid and passed civil rights laws, they got hammered in the election, losing 48 seats in the House and four in the Senate. They maintained their majorities in both at the time, but an identical result next month would turn the House over to Republicans.

In the 1960s Democrats paid the price for events largely outside their control ? an escalating war in Vietnam going badly, rowdy anti-war protests and violence in American cities, said Linda Fowler, professor of government at Dartmouth College.

"I think that's what's going on this time too," Fowler said, "despite a very significant record of accomplishment."

Democrats struggling now to retain majorities in the House and Senate must deal with a public that is quick to blame Washington for the prolonged economic downturn, and that resents the bank bailouts that were actually passed by the previous Congress.

In terms of legislative successes, the current session of Congress is "at least on a par with the 89th Congress" of 1965-1966, said Norman Ornstein, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

But, he added, Republicans have done all they could to discredit Congress and Democrats have failed to sell their agenda. Moreover, it will take years to fully feel the effects of the health care law and financial regulation.

"A world dominated by bickering and epithet-throwing and bomb tossing in Washington obscures accomplishments," Ornstein said.

Congress passed an $814 billion economic stimulus package soon after President Barack Obama took office, tapping a staggering sum of money to avoid a full-blown depression. Democrats have trumpeted the gains from that effort, but know it's not enough for restive voters. "Americans still see themselves in a ditch," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.

The two other landmark acts of this session were the health care overhaul, a giant step toward universal coverage that had eluded presidents back to Franklin Roosevelt if not Teddy Roosevelt, and the Wall Street accountability act.

Obama has also signed into law at least a dozen other pieces of legislation of significance. They include:

_Making college loans more affordable.
_The Cash for Clunkers program that helped rejuvenate the auto industry.
_New consumer protections for credit card users.
_Making it easier for women to challenge pay discrimination.
_Increasing federal regulation of tobacco products.
_Cracking down on waste in Pentagon weapons acquisition.
_Making attacks based on sexual orientation a federal hate crime.
_Giving businesses tax incentives to hire unemployed workers.
_Tax credits for first-time homeowners.

So where is the love?

Polls suggest three-fourths of Americans disapprove of Congress.
 

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Believe Nov will reflect "their production" eg greatest debt in history along with greatest jobs record since great depression.

lets take a look by the #'s

Obama By The Numbers


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THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION?S RECORD FROM THE OUTRAGEOUS TO THE ABSURD

$26.2 Trillion: Projected Federal Debt In 2020 Due To Obama?s Binge Spending.(OMB, 7/23/10)
$13.6 Trillion: Current National Debt.(U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/19/10)
$8.5 Trillion: Cumulative Deficits Caused By President Obama?s Proposed Budget, FY2011-2020.(OMB, 7/23/10)
$3.9 Trillion: Total Cost Of The Democrats? Tax Hike To Taxpayers. (Joint Committee On Taxation, 8/6/10)
$3.0 Trillion: Amount Added To The National Debt Since Obama Took Office. (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/19/10)
$2.5 Trillion: True Cost Of ObamaCare Once Fully Implemented. (Sen. Max Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/2/09)
$1.42 Trillion: Federal Budget Deficit For FY2009 ? Highest In U.S. History.(Congressional Budget Office, 10/7/10)
$1.29 Trillion: Federal Budget Deficit For FY2010 ? Second Highest In U.S. History.(Congressional Budget Office, 10/7/10)
$868.4 Billion: American Debt Held By China. (U.S. Treasury Department, Accessed 10/19/10)
$831 Billion: Net Interest Payment On Our National Debt In 2020 Due To Obama?s Budget.(OMB, 7/23/10)
$814 Billion: Price Tag Of Obama?s Failed Stimulus. (Bloomberg, 8/20/10)
$575 Billion: Amount Of Medicare Cuts In ObamaCare. (CMS Chief Actuary Richard S. Foster, Memo, 4/22/10)
$569.2 Billion: Amount Of Taxes In ObamaCare. (Letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 3/18/10)
$10 Billion: The Cost Of The Teacher Union Bailout. (The Washington Post, 10/8/10)
$54 Million: Amount Of Stimulus Funds Spent On A Napa Valley Wine Train. (ABC News? ?Good Morning America,? 2/2/10)
41.8 Million: Number Of Americans Receiving Food Stamps.(Bloomberg, 10/5/10)
40 Million: Number Of Businesses That Will Be Burdened By The Onerous IRS 1099 Requirement. (The Washington Post, 8/29/10)
$18 Million: Cost Of The Stimulus Website Recovery.org. (ABC News? ?The Note? Blog, 7/8/09)
14.8 Million: Unemployed Americans.(Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
9.5 Million: Americans Working Part-Time For Economic Reasons. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
6.1 Million: Americans Unemployed For Longer Than 27 Weeks. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
5.4 Million: Number Of Properties Receiving Foreclosure Filings Since Obama Took Office. (RealtyTrac, Accessed 10/19/10)
3.8 Million: Increase In the Number Of People Who Were In Poverty In 2009 Over 2008. (NPR, 9/16/10)
2.6 Million: Jobs Lost Since Stimulus Was Passed.(Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
2.3 Million: Private Sector Jobs Lost Since Stimulus Was Passed. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
1.2 Million: Americans That Have Given Up Looking For Work. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
964,900: Number Of Jobs That Could Be Lost Per Year Under Cap And Trade. (Tax Foundation, 3/09)
89,000: The Number Of Stimulus Checks Sent to Dead Or Incarcerated People. (The Wall Street Journal's Washington Wire" Blog, 10/7/10)
$43,000: Your Share Of The National Debt. (?The Daily History Of The Debt Results,? TreasuryDirect, Accessed 10/19/10; U.S. Census Bureau, www.census.gov, Accessed 10/19/10)
23,000: The Number Of Jobs Obama Knew His Drilling Moratorium Could Kill. (The Wall Street Journal, 8/21/10)
22,000: Number Of Seniors In MA, NH And ME That Will Lose Their Medicare Advantage Plans As A Result Of ObamaCare. (The Boston Globe,9/28/10)
$1,761: Cost To American Families Per Year As A Result Of Cap And Trade. (CBS News' "Taking Liberties" Blog, 9/16/09)
$1,540: The Amount Of The Tax Hike The Average Middle Class Family Will See As A Result Of The Dems? Tax Hike. (Tax Foundation, 8/1/10)
1099: The IRS Form Every Business Will Have To File After Doing $600 Worth Of Business With A Vendor. (CNNMoney.com, 5/5/10)
100: Percent Of GDP That Our National Debt Will Rise To In 2012. (Office Of Management And Budget, 7/23/10)
83: Number Of Fundraisers Obama Has Attended As Of 10/12/10. (CBS News' Mark Knoller?s Twitter Feed, Accessed 10/19/10; CBS News, 8/16/10)
80: Percent Of Small Businesses That Could Be Forced To Change Health Care Plans As A Result Of ObamaCare. (The Washington Post, 6/15/10)
79: Percent Of Stimulus Funds For Wind, Solar And Geothermal Energy Projects That Went To Foreign Firms. (Investigating Reporting Workshop/ABC?s World News Tonight/Watchdog Institute, 2/8/10)
68: Percent Of Americans Who Think The Stimulus Was A Waste. (The Hill's ?Briefing Room? Blog, 10/5/10)
60: The Percent Of Young Voters Who Are ?More Cynical About Politics? Now Than When Obama Was Elected. (The Huffington Post, 9/15/10)
58: Percent Of Ohioans Who Say Obama?s Frequent Visits To The State Make No Difference In How They?ll Vote. (The Hill, 10/19/10)
53: Rounds Of Golf Played By President Obama Since Taking Office.(CBS News' Mark Knoller?s Twitter Feed, Accessed 10/19/10; CBS News' Mark Knoller?s Twitter Feed, Accessed 10/19/10 )
49: Visits To The White House By Andy Stern, Former President Of SEIU. (WhiteHouse.gov, Accessed 10/19/10)
37: Number Of Town Halls Obama Has Done Since Taking Office. (CBS News? Mark Knoller?s Twitter Feed, Accessed 10/19/10)
33.3: Average Number Of Weeks It Takes An Unemployed Worker To Find A Job. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
30: Number Of Waivers Granted To Businesses So That The White House Could Avoid Admitting ObamaCare Was Making People Lose Their Health Care Plans. (USA Today, 10/7/10)
27: Percent Increase In Premiums By Some Insurers In Colorado As A Result Of ObamaCare. (The Denver Post, 9/20/10)
25: DVDs Given To The UK?s Prime Minister Gordon Brown On His First Visit. (The Daily Mail (UK), 3/9/10)
20: Straight Months That Food Stamp Participation Has Hit A Record. (Bloomberg, 10/5/10)
17.1: Percent Of Americans Either Unemployed Or Working Part-Time For Economic Reasons. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
14: Straight Months With Unemployment Above 9.5%. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 10/8/10)
9: Number Of Vacations Taken By President Obama. (CBS News, 8/19/10)
4: Out Of 10 Likely Voters Who Once Backed Obama But Are Less Supportive Or No Longer Support Obama. (Bloomberg, 10/12/10)
2: Place In The Line Of Succession That Joe Biden Believes He Is In (Hint: He?s #1). (CBS News? Mark Knoller?s Twitter Feed, Accessed 10/19/10)
2: Visits To The White House By Actor George Clooney. (E! Online, 10/12/10)
1: Number Of White House Investigations. (CBS News, 10/6/10)
1: Teacher Union Bailout To Motivate Teacher Unions For Midterm Elections. (The Washington Post, 10/8/10)
0: Other People Obama Will Have Left To Blame For His Failures In 2012.(The American People, 11/6/12)




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personally I'd like to get into issue of character--promises/pledges eg

--campaign finance
--gitmo
--no washington as usual
---no lobbyist
--transparency
--era of responsibilty
--pay as you go
--no tax increase
--bi partisanship
--great uniter
--Blah Blah blah

I warmed about the all hat no cattle Tony Robbins
wanna be and the buyers remorse to follow--

You'll get a peek in a couple weeks :0008
 

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I have no doubt that there will be a change of numbers in our legislation. There always is at mid-terms, and it usually always goes back the other direction. I would anticipate things going back much like they did when the country was disgusted with Bush/Cheney and the way the country was headed during the last landslide, but to a smaller degree. And things are bad, as we all know, so people will vote with their pocketbooks, as they usually do.

The point of my post was not to say great job, just to point out some good things this legislature accomplished. I would agree that your source spent a lot more time digging up similar headlines to produce a dramatic looking negative diatribe - so mission accomplished there.

I am curious, though how many tea partiers win their elections. Would be interesting if there is a big enough number to constitute a solid block of legislators, to throw a wrench into the existing situation. Could be concerning, though, to have a democratic administration, a republican majority, and a bunch of renegade tea partiers in place. Not sure WHAT we could get accomplished then, but would be interesting to watch.
 

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I have no doubt that there will be a change of numbers in our legislation. There always is at mid-terms, and it usually always goes back the other direction. I would anticipate things going back much like they did when the country was disgusted with Bush/Cheney and the way the country was headed during the last landslide, but to a smaller degree. And things are bad, as we all know, so people will vote with their pocketbooks, as they usually do.

The point of my post was not to say great job, just to point out some good things this legislature accomplished. I would agree that your source spent a lot more time digging up similar headlines to produce a dramatic looking negative diatribe - so mission accomplished there.

I am curious, though how many tea partiers win their elections. Would be interesting if there is a big enough number to constitute a solid block of legislators, to throw a wrench into the existing situation. Could be concerning, though, to have a democratic administration, a republican majority, and a bunch of renegade tea partiers in place. Not sure WHAT we could get accomplished then, but would be interesting to watch.

One things for sure, we wont have bills signed that a majority of the nation disagrees with right or left. Worst thing for this country is when one party controls both.
 

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One things for sure, we wont have bills signed that a majority of the nation disagrees with right or left. Worst thing for this country is when one party controls both.

Its debatable about whether it is good for one party to have a majority or not. Nothing is going to get done. All these fucks vote 99% with their party. Its like they are incapable of using their heads and voting for what is right.

Your other statement about the majority of the nation liking a bill or not doesn't hold water. Lets face it. People are not that bright. Just because 60% of the nation doesn't want something, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
 

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Its debatable about whether it is good for one party to have a majority or not. Nothing is going to get done. All these fucks vote 99% with their party. Its like they are incapable of using their heads and voting for what is right.

Your other statement about the majority of the nation liking a bill or not doesn't hold water.

Lets face it. People are not that bright. Just because 60% of the nation doesn't want something, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

Of course not--that would be a democracy-- DUH

Irony at it finest-- listening to the parasitic element of society who never saw a tax increase or gov tit he didn't like- referring to the productive that they think should be responsible for supporting them as--not being that bright :facepalm:




 

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I have no doubt that there will be a change of numbers in our legislation. There always is at mid-terms, and it usually always goes back the other direction. I would anticipate things going back much like they did when the country was disgusted with Bush/Cheney and the way the country was headed during the last landslide, but to a smaller degree. And things are bad, as we all know, so people will vote with their pocketbooks, as they usually do.

The point of my post was not to say great job, just to point out some good things this legislature accomplished. I would agree that your source spent a lot more time digging up similar headlines to produce a dramatic looking negative diatribe - so mission accomplished there.

I am curious, though how many tea partiers win their elections. Would be interesting if there is a big enough number to constitute a solid block of legislators, to throw a wrench into the existing situation. Could be concerning, though, to have a democratic administration, a republican majority, and a bunch of renegade tea partiers in place. Not sure WHAT we could get accomplished then, but would be interesting to watch.

I see you didn't mention war--odd it was drumbeat on last admin by the drive by media--

let me give you a stat of this admin that I would wager has been concealed so well -less than 1 % are aware of it.

In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.

--and haven't heard a peep out of all the pinkie protesters out there and here that were pounding the drum for 8 years:shrug:
 

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Of course not--that would be a democracy-- DUH

Irony at it finest-- listening to the parasitic element of society who never saw a tax increase or gov tit he didn't like- referring to the productive that they think should be responsible for supporting them as--not being that bright :facepalm:




His point is valid. Most Tea-Baggers couldn't pass a basic citizenship test, yet they're given the right to vote. You Tea-Baggers are just gonna have to trust us... we know what's best for you. :0008
 

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Of course not--that would be a democracy-- DUH

Irony at it finest-- listening to the parasitic element of society who never saw a tax increase or gov tit he didn't like- referring to the productive that they think should be responsible for supporting them as--not being that bright :facepalm:





We don't live in a democracy.

Everything comes back to the gov tit for you. Are you really that much of a moron? Is that all you have? You are like a fucking robot. You've got your talking points and that is it.
 

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I see you didn't mention war--odd it was drumbeat on last admin by the drive by media--

let me give you a stat of this admin that I would wager has been concealed so well -less than 1 % are aware of it.

In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.

--and haven't heard a peep out of all the pinkie protesters out there and here that were pounding the drum for 8 years:shrug:

I don't know how many times i've had to bitch about Obama not being the solution especially when it comes to foreign policy. Its sick to have to defend him against a racist moron like yourself. It's like you hear only what you want to hear.
 

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I see you didn't mention war--odd it was drumbeat on last admin by the drive by media--

let me give you a stat of this admin that I would wager has been concealed so well -less than 1 % are aware of it.

In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.

--and haven't heard a peep out of all the pinkie protesters out there and here that were pounding the drum for 8 years:shrug:

One more thing for our resident hypocrite. You can't have it both ways. If Bush had used our own troops we would have caught Bin Laden. Instead he pussied around and got us stuck in the region for almost 10 years. I'm surprised you aren't proud of Obama for pumping more troops to accomplish something. Personally, i'm against it but to see you contradict yourself is just amazing and shows again why you fight blindly for a party that doesn't give a shit about a used car salesman like yourself. So keep on :lol: like a moron. You better watch it though or you'll be running and :mj08: from Chadman soon when he takes the time to break your BS down again. I feel like a moron using those smiles. It took me forever to find them but obviously they make you feel good about yourself so I thought I would try them. Personally I feel like an idiot using them. Took a lot of effort to find them. A lot more than using spell check would. Just a hint there for our little doggie. :mj07:
 
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I see you didn't mention war--odd it was drumbeat on last admin by the drive by media--

let me give you a stat of this admin that I would wager has been concealed so well -less than 1 % are aware of it.

In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.

--and haven't heard a peep out of all the pinkie protesters out there and here that were pounding the drum for 8 years:shrug:

You are a real piece of work! Nothing else needs to be said.
 

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His point is valid. Most Tea-Baggers couldn't pass a basic citizenship test, yet they're given the right to vote. You Tea-Baggers are just gonna have to trust us... we know what's best for you. :0008

I've been saying for years that there should be a voter qualification test, the same one which is used to obtain citizenship. No pass, no vote.

We'd elect much better people if every voter had some basic knowledge.

I read a poll yesterday - 12% believe that Obama lowered income tax rates, 25% thought he increased them, and the rest didn't have a clue. That's disgraceful. Seven out of eight don't know the correct answer. Those are the fools who would vote for a candidate who thinks Africa is a country, and who can see Russia from her kitchen window.

"We want to elect some one "just like us".

It's enough to make you puke.
 

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I've been saying for years that there should be a voter qualification test, the same one which is used to obtain citizenship. No pass, no vote.

We'd elect much better people if every voter had some basic knowledge.

I read a poll yesterday - 12% believe that Obama lowered income tax rates, 25% thought he increased them, and the rest didn't have a clue. That's disgraceful. Seven out of eight don't know the correct answer. Those are the fools who would vote for a candidate who thinks Africa is a country, and who can see Russia from her kitchen window.

"We want to elect some one "just like us".

It's enough to make you puke.

That being said why are we trying to put democracy in Iraq?
 

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I see you didn't mention war--odd it was drumbeat on last admin by the drive by media--

let me give you a stat of this admin that I would wager has been concealed so well -less than 1 % are aware of it.

In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.

--and haven't heard a peep out of all the pinkie protesters out there and here that were pounding the drum for 8 years:shrug:

What did you want me to say about war? I think you know I was against the war in Iraq all along, but I've always said I thought we should go after the people who supposedly attacked us. I had a much bigger problem with the Bush administration than the Obama administration for many reasons when it comes to war. What the Hell is your point? I don't think we should have gone into Iraq the way we did, for the reasons we were told we did, and most of all I pissed that the Bush administration built a palatial compound in Iraq that we have to have thousands of troops on hand (forever, I guess) to protect. Along with the second largest airfield in the world.

So, by withdrawing troops as Obama has - I commend him and think that's smart. I think he's done a better job in Afghanistan, by committing more troops in the same way you gave credit to Bush for to surge against suspected terrorists, and then planning on getting out, as he did in Iraq. He's used drones and not men in Pakistan and Afghanistan, saving our lives and taking out many terrorists. All things I think are good, smart, and better than Bush.

I also think it's time to get out of these countries, as I do not see the financial or blood value in being in any of them at this point. We save money, lives, and can better prepare our military financially, emotionally, and militarily to deal with our next problem. I also think we should take these military interests and use them on our borders AGGRESSIVELY, to deal with the security and illegal immigration issues we cannot handle now.

I guess I SHOULD have mentioned the war, you're right. I think what's been done, comparatively, is admirable, by the Obama administration and legislators who worked with him to get these things planned and accomplished.
 

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A productive Congress gets no respect from voters

So where is the love?


Gawd, do I need to point out the obvious fact---most of the big bills passed have been rather unpopular with the public. Is it then any wonder why the public does not "love" the congress passing these unpopular bills?

Even a congressman could understand that equation. Well, some anyway....It's only a riddle to the willfully blind.

So a typically tendentious piece by Abrams ignoring or attempting to explain away what is simply staring him in the face. Why does anyone bother reading this stuff?

Obama is certainly the most "productive" presidents since Reagan's first term. But most of the stuff Reagan passed was rather popular, that makes a difference on how much "love" he and Tip O'Neill's House got.

Ronald Reagan used to speak of a phrase that was among the most frightening in English, "I?m from the government and I?m here to help", but Obama, Pelosi and Reid sincerely and paternalistically believe in it. The trio answer that the missing "love" will come once the populace is informed by them of these unpopular bills' benefits and public opinion is thus no longer an insufficiently enlightened atavism. In fact, the awful truth of enlightenment will come these politician's way this November.
 

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You are a real piece of work! Nothing else needs to be said.

That would be a vet --piece of work--and you?

You were one of main ones who dogged Bush constantly--your boy Gumby's in there and no prob--how that gitmo pledge doin for you--no prob right.

Kinda like when your were dogging Folley on toe tapping but Barney was your idol. :)

--at least I'm consistent--believe I've gave Gumby's boys kudos more than once on their drone deployment. I have no prob with gumby's afgan approach--unless he exposed troops with intention of retreat anyway next year--that would be VERY bad.
 

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I've been saying for years that there should be a voter qualification test, the same one which is used to obtain citizenship. No pass, no vote.

We'd elect much better people if every voter had some basic knowledge.

I read a poll yesterday - 12% believe that Obama lowered income tax rates, 25% thought he increased them, and the rest didn't have a clue. That's disgraceful. Seven out of eight don't know the correct answer. Those are the fools who would vote for a candidate who thinks Africa is a country, and who can see Russia from her kitchen window.

"We want to elect some one "just like us".

It's enough to make you puke.

DUH You could have fooled me I thought you were the party of illegal sanctuaries and no ID voting.

Pass citizenship test:mj07: according to voting demographics bulk of your base needs pictures on ballots.

I think your on the right track though--I'd change it to only those who pay taxes get to vote to decide where their tax $'s go.

You tit slurpers would have to settle for what they give you--not what gov can steal.
 

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In the months O has been in office this admin has produced more casualties in Afgan than all the previous 8 years combined.
And you've been cheering him :00hour all the way. Now you expect us to believe you're against his Af-Pak policies? Who do you think you're fooling... besides yourself? :shrug:
 
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