A question for Conservatives

[Mags]

Some more of your faith-based facts, Maggot?

Where's the proof?

Where is the proof that public unions have true negotiations with the elected board (that the public unions elected)?

Jeesh - most of the stuff you post is BS, and based on your experiences. You have all day to research the net to find "some" chart that validates your position. As most know, data can be manipulated by anyone to show what they'd like.

Can't wait for this bill to pass - or, if the scab senators don't come back, then laying off a ton of people. Either way, same result - getting budget under control.

Interesting that the union bosses are more concerned with keeping collective bargaining (and their huge salaries) than to have up to 12K of their members laid off. Guess they really don't care too much about their members, do they??? :shrug:

 

[Duff Miver]

Where is the proof that public unions have true negotiations with the elected board (that the public unions elected)?

Jeesh - most of the stuff you post is BS, and based on your experiences. You have all day to research the net to find "some" chart that validates your position. As most know, data can be manipulated by anyone to show what they'd like.

Can't wait for this bill to pass - or, if the scab senators don't come back, then laying off a ton of people. Either way, same result - getting budget under control.

Interesting that the union bosses are more concerned with keeping collective bargaining (and their huge salaries) than to have up to 12K of their members laid off. Guess they really don't care too much about their members, do they??? :shrug:

Say there, Maggot, you once said that you would not respond to me. Since you have no knowledge of anything, why don't you just keep that promise and stop wasting space which only demonstrates your profound ignorance.



My guess is that well over eighty per cent of the human race goes through life without having a single original thought..
? H. L. Mencken

Mencken was talking about you, Maggot.

 

[Trench]

Can't wait for this bill to pass - or, if the scab senators don't come back, then laying off a ton of people.

You can't wait to see a "a ton of people" get fired by our governor??

I'm guessing you were glad to see the GM Plant in Janesville close and take all those UAW jobs with it. How about the Chrysler engine plant in Kenosha? Were you glad to see those union jobs disappear too, Mags?

What kind of a person derives pleasure from the suffering of others? Oh that's right, you work in the insurance industry.

 

[Mags]

You can't wait to see a "a ton of people" get fired by our governor??

I'm guessing you were glad to see the GM Plant in Janesville close and take all those UAW jobs with it. How about the Chrysler engine plant in Kenosha? Were you glad to see those union jobs disappear too, Mags?

What kind of a person derives pleasure from the suffering of others? Oh that's right, you work in the insurance industry.

No, that's not true. This all falls on the backs of the senators that ran away. If they stayed, and voted on the bill as they should have, then that would not be the issue.

I'm sure you'd have felt the same way if the Republiicans fled the US Senate the last 2 years which would have prevented any votes from occuring of Obama's liberal agenda.

It is disgusting. If the 14 senators did their jobs, then those folks wouldn't be losing THEIR jobs. It really is that simple.

And if the Dems don't like what is going on, well, that is what elections are for (to quote Obama). In 4 years (or sooner if they can recall Walker somehow), they can elect a Dem and change the laws back if they want. Just like the Repubs are going to try to do with Obamacare. But the Repubs at least stayed and voted and represented us.

The fact that those poor people who are losing their jobs (and my sis-in-law is likely one of them) is entirely on those Dem's backs.

See, I have a horse in this race, as I don't want to see my sis in law lose her job. Both HER and I want the Dems to come back and do their job and vote, so she won't lose her job. She also backs Walker, and would rather not be unionized. But she is not the average teacher - she is above average, and realizes getting to merit pay, instead of seniority based pay, will benefit her greatly.

Hopefully now you can understand why I'm so pist (that is a Bleeding Purple word). Many people will lose their jobs due to the selfishness of the 14 democrats, who so badly want to keep getting their union donations and votes each year. It just sickens me.

So, if these 14 Dems are going to f*ck my sister in law (no pun intended) by their seflish actions, then they may as well take everyone else along for the ride.

I hope whoever gets laid off due to their actions take it up directly with those 14. As you can see, the union is more interested in getting their union dues (which a significant amount of goes to fund candidates) than they care about the 12K that are going to get laid off.

This isn't about worker's rights - it never has been - it is about the union getting their money, to pay their bigwigs and buy elections. It's never been about the worker.

Again, it sickens me.

 

[bleedingpurple]

No, that's not true. This all falls on the backs of the senators that ran away. If they stayed, and voted on the bill as they should have, then that would not be the issue.

I'm sure you'd have felt the same way if the Republiicans fled the US Senate the last 2 years which would have prevented any votes from occuring of Obama's liberal agenda.

It is disgusting. If the 14 senators did their jobs, then those folks wouldn't be losing THEIR jobs. It really is that simple.

And if the Dems don't like what is going on, well, that is what elections are for (to quote Obama). In 4 years (or sooner if they can recall Walker somehow), they can elect a Dem and change the laws back if they want. Just like the Repubs are going to try to do with Obamacare. But the Repubs at least stayed and voted and represented us.

The fact that those poor people who are losing their jobs (and my sis-in-law is likely one of them) is entirely on those Dem's backs.

See, I have a horse in this race, as I don't want to see my sis in law lose her job. Both HER and I want the Dems to come back and do their job and vote, so she won't lose her job. She also backs Walker, and would rather not be unionized. But she is not the average teacher - she is above average, and realizes getting to merit pay, instead of seniority based pay, will benefit her greatly.

Hopefully now you can understand why I'm so pist (that is a Bleeding Purple word). Many people will lose their jobs due to the selfishness of the 14 democrats, who so badly want to keep getting their union donations and votes each year. It just sickens me.

So, if these 14 Dems are going to f*ck my sister in law (no pun intended) by their seflish actions, then they may as well take everyone else along for the ride.

I hope whoever gets laid off due to their actions take it up directly with those 14. As you can see, the union is more interested in getting their union dues (which a significant amount of goes to fund candidates) than they care about the 12K that are going to get laid off.

This isn't about worker's rights - it never has been - it is about the union getting their money, to pay their bigwigs and buy elections. It's never been about the worker.

Again, it sickens me.

I hope they do come back and vote. Never condoned their behavior. It's also never been about the employees paying more for health care and pensions. It's been about the Gov trying to crush unions to crush the democratic party and allegiances to Koch and Koch's wallet.

 

[Mags]

I hope they do come back and vote. Never condoned their behavior. It's also never been about the employees paying more for health care and pensions. It's been about the Gov trying to crush unions to crush the democratic party and allegiances to Koch and Koch's wallet.

Well, I do disagree here. It was always about paying more for HC and Pensions AND the ability to manage those costs in the future - the result of which admittedly will reduce union power. I don't see any of that as bad things.....:shrug: If this was private sector, I would. But nobody has shown any evidence that unions belong in the public sector, nor that appropriate negotiating occurs with a public union. It can't, by definition, as most of the time, the union and "management" are on the same side of the table.

 

[Trench]

I hope they do come back and vote. Never condoned their behavior. It's also never been about the employees paying more for health care and pensions. It's been about the Gov trying to crush unions to crush the democratic party and allegiances to Koch and Koch's wallet.

BP, you do realize that if ANY of the Dem Senators return to Wisconsin and vote, it constitutes a quorum and Walker's bill passes as it's currently written, correct?

 

[Trench]

No, that's not true. This all falls on the backs of the senators that ran away. If they stayed, and voted on the bill as they should have, then that would not be the issue.

It is disgusting. If the 14 senators did their jobs, then those folks wouldn't be losing THEIR jobs. It really is that simple.

If the Dem Senators had stayed in Wisconsin, Walker's bill would have passed, as written, and Walker would be sipping Cognac and smoking Cubans with the Koch Brothers on a yacht off the California coast.

Those 14 senators are fighting for the rights of EVERY working man and woman in the state of Wisconsin. They ARE doing their job. The unions agreed to the concessions Walker's demanding to meet the budget shortfall, early on in this process. If Walker fires ANY public employees, it's on his head and no one elses.

If I were a union representative for the public unions, I wouldn't even have agreed to financial concessions, let alone the collective barganing issue. Because the TRUTH is Gov. Doyle left office with a projected budget SURPLUS for 2011 and Walker manufactured the current budget shortfall through three tax expenditure bills with the INTENTION of creating a budget shortfall so that he could move ahead with his plan to end collective bargaining rights for state employees.

I'm glad you "can't wait to see tons of people layed off" though, Mags. That ought to make you feel really special. :0074

 

[yyz]

Again.

If every licensed vehicle in Wisconsin paid $100 more per year, the "Walker slush fund" would get $1.5B per year.

Couple that with the angry mob getting their pound of flesh from the government work force, and you have a nice sized pot that will eliminate the "crisis".

Now, if everyone is as sick and tired of this "crisis" as they are claiming.........what is the beef over a lousy hundred bucks?


I already have the answer: Not a one of you motherfuckers wants to pitch in one red cent.....but the "other guy" always should.


Quit with the pipe dream bullshit. If you think Walker is going to balance this drama without getting into your pocket.......you are out of your fucking tree!

 

[Chadman]

Drive by media had you and bulk of posters duped into believing oil companies were getting over like fat rats and facts proved just the "extreme" opposite.

We live-we learn or we can :00x7

--question for today
Who makes more on gal of gas the gov or oil companies?

I have not seen you respond to my post at all, perhaps I missed it. My post, and the proposed cuts of subsidies (which I answered your question about with substance) stands. Do you think subsidies (mentioned and posted) for oil and energy companies are warranted when considering competition and the free market, when in turn you are ridiculing subsidies and tax breaks for anything OTHER than oil and energy interests?

I've seen you post a couple times now about people avoiding the issue and running from some unnamed facts on the issue. And yet, I post and answer your query, and you say nothing about it other than posting another question on a different topic.

I would think that the only answer acceptable to a true conservative would be to allow businesses to fend for themselves, and not subsidize certain businesses, or parts of businesses. I know that's the standard response when it helps your political agenda.

 

[Trench]

--question for today
Who makes more on gal of gas the gov or oil companies?

Dogs, after you factor in the $Trillions we spend on wars and the "Defense" budget, securing our oil interests in the Middle East for companies like Mobil, Exxon, BP & Shell, we the taxpayers, via the federal government, spend MUCH more on every gallon of gas than we get back in gas taxes.

So sing your downtrodden oil company song to the tone deaf, cuz you're a little pitchy... DAWG. :142smilie

 

[bleedingpurple]

BP, you do realize that if ANY of the Dem Senators return to Wisconsin and vote, it constitutes a quorum and Walker's bill passes as it's currently written, correct?

What happens when they do return? Are they immediately going to have to vote? I guess I really didn't know? I think they are F-ed either way. What the hell do I know.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

What happens when they do return? Are they immediately going to have to vote? I guess I really didn't know? I think they are F-ed either way. What the hell do I know.

http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/

Recall is underway.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

 

[bleedingpurple]

http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/

Recall is underway.

:00hour :00hour

 

[Trench]

What happens when they do return? Are they immediately going to have to vote? I guess I really didn't know? I think they are F-ed either way. What the hell do I know.

If just ONE of the 14 Dem Senators cross the state line back into Wisconsin, Walker will have he or she picked up by the State Patrol and escorted to the Capitol where an emergency vote will be taken and Walker's union-busting bill will pass 19-1.

Make no mistake. This is only the beginning of Walkers's plans to eliminate the public sector in Wisconsin as we know it.