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Lots of Marine misconduct in the news lately.
Lots of Marine misconduct in the news lately.
Top 2 stories on my news wire when I checked in this afternoon. Guess these guys aren't angels after all?
Pregnant Marine's Grave Found in N.C.
JACKSONVILLE ? Authorities issued an arrest warrant Saturday for a Marine corporal wanted in the death of a pregnant colleague, whose burnt remains were excavated from a fire pit in his backyard.
Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said investigators also recovered the remains of Lance Cpl. Maria Frances Lauterbach's unborn child.
"The fetus was developed enough that the little hand was about the size of my thumb," Brown said. "The little fingers were rolled up and this is consistent with what we were looking for, a pregnant lady who is the victim, Maria Lauterbach, and her unborn child."
A nationwide search is under way for Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean, who authorities said fled Jacksonville early Friday morning after leaving his wife a note in which he admitted burying Lauterbach's body.
Lauterbach, 20, disappeared in December, just days after meeting with military prosecutors to talk about her allegations that Laurean had raped her.
Her remains were found in a fire pit in the backyard of Laurean's home, buried up to a foot in ashes and dirt, said Dr. Charles Garrett, the county medical examiner.
Authorities have described a violent confrontation inside his home that left blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall. It appeared that someone had tried to wash and paint over the blood, Brown said.
Garrett and Brown said the remains will be sent to the state medical examiner's office in Chapel Hill for a formal identification using dental records.
"As well as I could see, the body was much charred," Brown said. "The fetus was in the abdominal area of that adult. ... That is tragic, and it's disgusting."
Laurean's note said Lauterbach had "come to his residence and cut her (own) throat," Brown said. He confirmed Saturday that authorities received the note from Laurean's wife, Christina, around 8 a.m. Friday, about four hours after they suspect he fled.
Laurean wrote in the note that he had nothing to do with Lauterbach's suicide, but that he had buried her body, the sheriff said.
Authorities have dismissed the idea that Lauterbach killed herself, pointing to the blood stains and the obvious signs of a cleanup inside Laurean's one-story, brown brick ranch home. Brown challenged Laurean, who has not been charged with a crime, to come forward and defend his claims of innocence.
Brown declined to say whether authorities thought Christina Laurean had a hand in Lauterbach's disappearance.
She is "heartbroken," said her mother, Debbie Sue Shifflet.
"I feel sorry for the other family," Shifflet said. "It's horrible what they're going through. My heart goes out to them."
Brown said there had been no sightings of Laurean, 21, of the Las Vegas area. He had refused to meet with investigators and left without telling his lawyers where he was going, the sheriff said.
Lauterbach met with military prosecutors last month to discuss pursuing rape charges against Laurean, said Kevin Marks, supervisory agent with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service at Camp Lejeune. He said military prosecutors believed they had enough evidence to argue that the case should go to trial.
In court papers filed this week, authorities said the anticipated birth of the baby "might provide evidentiary credence to charges she lodged with military authorities that she was sexually assaulted." Lauterbach reported the rape in April and was due to give birth in mid-February, authorities said.
Outside the family's home in Vandalia, Ohio, on Friday night, Lauterbach's uncle, Pete Steiner, said the rapist was the father.
Authorities said they had not been concerned that Laurean would flee because they had information he and Lauterbach carried on a "friendly relationship" even after she reported the assault to military authorities. There is no indication Lauterbach asked the military to protect her after she leveled the rape allegations, investigators said.
Steiner, however, said his niece didn't have any kind of relationship with her attacker, and that Lauterbach had been forced to rent a room off base because of harassment at Camp Lejeune.
"She was raped," Steiner said. "The Marines, unfortunately, did not protect her, and now she's dead."
Originally from Dayton, Ohio, Lauterbach was reported missing Dec. 19 by her mother, who last spoke with her daughter on Dec. 14, authorities said. Her cell phone was found Dec. 20 near the main gate at Camp Lejeune, and she missed a Dec. 26 prenatal care appointment.
Lauterbach, who joined the Marines in 2006, and Laurean were personnel clerks in the 2nd Marine Logistics Group of the II Marine Expeditionary Force, based at Camp Lejeune. Neither had been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Drill instructor convicted in abuse case
SAN DIEGO - A military jury on Friday convicted a senior drill instructor of dereliction of duty in the abuse of recruits at a Marine Corps training center.
However, the jury found Sgt. Robert Hankins not guilty of more serious charges of maltreating recruits, destroying personal property and other offenses.
A sentencing hearing was under way at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego. Hankins faces up to a year's confinement, a reduction in rank and a bad conduct discharge.
Hankins is the senior of three drill instructors court-martialed in what prosecutors claim was rampant abuse of recruits at Marine Corps Recruit Depot between December 2006 and February 2007.
During the trial, a former drill instructor, Pvt. Jerrod Glass, testified that Hankins encouraged him to punish recruits for alleged infractions by destroying their hygiene kits.
Several former recruits testified he was a mentor who encouraged them to talk to him about their concerns.
Glass, 25, was convicted of eight counts of cruelty and maltreatment, destruction of personal property, assault and violating orders on how to properly treat recruits.
He was demoted, sentenced to six months in the brig, and was ordered to forfeit all pay and be dishonorably discharged upon completing his sentence.
Another drill instructor, Sgt. Brian M. Wendel, was sentenced last month to a reduction in rank and a reprimand in the case.
Lots of Marine misconduct in the news lately.
Top 2 stories on my news wire when I checked in this afternoon. Guess these guys aren't angels after all?
Pregnant Marine's Grave Found in N.C.
JACKSONVILLE ? Authorities issued an arrest warrant Saturday for a Marine corporal wanted in the death of a pregnant colleague, whose burnt remains were excavated from a fire pit in his backyard.
Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said investigators also recovered the remains of Lance Cpl. Maria Frances Lauterbach's unborn child.
"The fetus was developed enough that the little hand was about the size of my thumb," Brown said. "The little fingers were rolled up and this is consistent with what we were looking for, a pregnant lady who is the victim, Maria Lauterbach, and her unborn child."
A nationwide search is under way for Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean, who authorities said fled Jacksonville early Friday morning after leaving his wife a note in which he admitted burying Lauterbach's body.
Lauterbach, 20, disappeared in December, just days after meeting with military prosecutors to talk about her allegations that Laurean had raped her.
Her remains were found in a fire pit in the backyard of Laurean's home, buried up to a foot in ashes and dirt, said Dr. Charles Garrett, the county medical examiner.
Authorities have described a violent confrontation inside his home that left blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall. It appeared that someone had tried to wash and paint over the blood, Brown said.
Garrett and Brown said the remains will be sent to the state medical examiner's office in Chapel Hill for a formal identification using dental records.
"As well as I could see, the body was much charred," Brown said. "The fetus was in the abdominal area of that adult. ... That is tragic, and it's disgusting."
Laurean's note said Lauterbach had "come to his residence and cut her (own) throat," Brown said. He confirmed Saturday that authorities received the note from Laurean's wife, Christina, around 8 a.m. Friday, about four hours after they suspect he fled.
Laurean wrote in the note that he had nothing to do with Lauterbach's suicide, but that he had buried her body, the sheriff said.
Authorities have dismissed the idea that Lauterbach killed herself, pointing to the blood stains and the obvious signs of a cleanup inside Laurean's one-story, brown brick ranch home. Brown challenged Laurean, who has not been charged with a crime, to come forward and defend his claims of innocence.
Brown declined to say whether authorities thought Christina Laurean had a hand in Lauterbach's disappearance.
She is "heartbroken," said her mother, Debbie Sue Shifflet.
"I feel sorry for the other family," Shifflet said. "It's horrible what they're going through. My heart goes out to them."
Brown said there had been no sightings of Laurean, 21, of the Las Vegas area. He had refused to meet with investigators and left without telling his lawyers where he was going, the sheriff said.
Lauterbach met with military prosecutors last month to discuss pursuing rape charges against Laurean, said Kevin Marks, supervisory agent with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service at Camp Lejeune. He said military prosecutors believed they had enough evidence to argue that the case should go to trial.
In court papers filed this week, authorities said the anticipated birth of the baby "might provide evidentiary credence to charges she lodged with military authorities that she was sexually assaulted." Lauterbach reported the rape in April and was due to give birth in mid-February, authorities said.
Outside the family's home in Vandalia, Ohio, on Friday night, Lauterbach's uncle, Pete Steiner, said the rapist was the father.
Authorities said they had not been concerned that Laurean would flee because they had information he and Lauterbach carried on a "friendly relationship" even after she reported the assault to military authorities. There is no indication Lauterbach asked the military to protect her after she leveled the rape allegations, investigators said.
Steiner, however, said his niece didn't have any kind of relationship with her attacker, and that Lauterbach had been forced to rent a room off base because of harassment at Camp Lejeune.
"She was raped," Steiner said. "The Marines, unfortunately, did not protect her, and now she's dead."
Originally from Dayton, Ohio, Lauterbach was reported missing Dec. 19 by her mother, who last spoke with her daughter on Dec. 14, authorities said. Her cell phone was found Dec. 20 near the main gate at Camp Lejeune, and she missed a Dec. 26 prenatal care appointment.
Lauterbach, who joined the Marines in 2006, and Laurean were personnel clerks in the 2nd Marine Logistics Group of the II Marine Expeditionary Force, based at Camp Lejeune. Neither had been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Drill instructor convicted in abuse case
SAN DIEGO - A military jury on Friday convicted a senior drill instructor of dereliction of duty in the abuse of recruits at a Marine Corps training center.
However, the jury found Sgt. Robert Hankins not guilty of more serious charges of maltreating recruits, destroying personal property and other offenses.
A sentencing hearing was under way at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego. Hankins faces up to a year's confinement, a reduction in rank and a bad conduct discharge.
Hankins is the senior of three drill instructors court-martialed in what prosecutors claim was rampant abuse of recruits at Marine Corps Recruit Depot between December 2006 and February 2007.
During the trial, a former drill instructor, Pvt. Jerrod Glass, testified that Hankins encouraged him to punish recruits for alleged infractions by destroying their hygiene kits.
Several former recruits testified he was a mentor who encouraged them to talk to him about their concerns.
Glass, 25, was convicted of eight counts of cruelty and maltreatment, destruction of personal property, assault and violating orders on how to properly treat recruits.
He was demoted, sentenced to six months in the brig, and was ordered to forfeit all pay and be dishonorably discharged upon completing his sentence.
Another drill instructor, Sgt. Brian M. Wendel, was sentenced last month to a reduction in rank and a reprimand in the case.
didnt i read of some wife of a marine higher up who has revealed from her husband's diary that sodomy of recruits has been going on for ages in the marine corps and that kissinger used to take young marines into his tent :shrug:
sounds like a lotta sick bastards in that branch
sounds like a lotta sick bastards in that branch
now your attacking the USMC
geez you guys need to get a life other than pounding your puds and your keyboards.
geez you guys need to get a life other than pounding your puds and your keyboards.
agent zero,
you just saw that today? that story of the pregnant marine has been ongoing for a number of days now.
way to keep up.
Also, with the DI and the courts-martial, you'd think that an organization as super secretive and zionist driven as the usmc, an incident this minor would be covered right up and no one would ever hear about it eh?
you just saw that today? that story of the pregnant marine has been ongoing for a number of days now.
way to keep up.
Also, with the DI and the courts-martial, you'd think that an organization as super secretive and zionist driven as the usmc, an incident this minor would be covered right up and no one would ever hear about it eh?
Was that the worst of it ? :shrug: Wow the services have really slackened up. I'd hate to tell ya what kind of ass kicking we'd get as a boot 30 yrs ago for screwing up...and that was the army.
are 25 ex-military officers lying--i guess they have stepped forward
are 25 ex-military officers lying--i guess they have stepped forward
January 14, 2008 at 11:56:43
Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11
by Alan Miller
Official Account of 9/11: ?Impossible?, ?A Bunch of Hogwash?, ?Total B.S.?, ?Ludicrous?, ?A Well-Organized Cover-up?, ?A White-Washed Farce?
January 14, 2008 ? Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government?s story. The officers? statements appear below, listed alphabetically.
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD ?A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It?s impossible,? said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). [1] With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
?There?s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,? continued Col. Bowman. ?Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don?t want us to know what happened and who?s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it?s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.?
Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, ?I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. ? Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ?Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing?. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.?
During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm
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are 25 ex-military officers lying--i guess they have stepped forward
January 14, 2008 at 11:56:43
Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11
by Alan Miller
Official Account of 9/11: ?Impossible?, ?A Bunch of Hogwash?, ?Total B.S.?, ?Ludicrous?, ?A Well-Organized Cover-up?, ?A White-Washed Farce?
January 14, 2008 ? Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government?s story. The officers? statements appear below, listed alphabetically.
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD ?A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It?s impossible,? said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). [1] With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
?There?s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,? continued Col. Bowman. ?Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don?t want us to know what happened and who?s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it?s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.?
Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, ?I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. ? Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: ?Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing?. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.?
During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm
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i guess sheaple are wiser than capt. davis
i guess sheaple are wiser than capt. davis
Capt. Daniel Davis is a former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. After his military service, Capt. Davis served for 15 years as a Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division and then devoted an additional 15 years as founder and CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company.
In a statement to this author, Capt. Davis wrote, ?As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.? :shrug: :mj07: :00hour :0corn
Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam, Capt. Davis also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area.
Capt. Davis continued, ?Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!
?Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is difficult for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled ?terrorists?. Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a ?Conspiracy Theory? does not change the truth. It seems, ?Something is rotten in the State?.?
i guess sheaple are wiser than capt. davis
Capt. Daniel Davis is a former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. After his military service, Capt. Davis served for 15 years as a Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division and then devoted an additional 15 years as founder and CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company.
In a statement to this author, Capt. Davis wrote, ?As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.? :shrug: :mj07: :00hour :0corn
Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam, Capt. Davis also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area.
Capt. Davis continued, ?Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!
?Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is difficult for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled ?terrorists?. Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a ?Conspiracy Theory? does not change the truth. It seems, ?Something is rotten in the State?.?
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another guy the sheaple know more than
another guy the sheaple know more than
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
by Alan Miller \
September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy ?Top Gun? pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. ?It just didn?t make any sense to me,? he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, ?When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.?
Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy?s ?Top Gun? air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, ?Top Gun? reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a ?Top Gun? adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.
Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.
Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, ?At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757?s and 767?s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.?
Commander Kolstad adds, ?I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!?
He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, ?Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces??
But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad?s criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, ?Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all??
Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. ?How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn?t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn?t add up."
"Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ?explosions? before the buildings collapsed??
Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, ?If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don?t believe the official ?story? and why I want the truth to be told.?
Commander Kolstad is just one of the many military and commercial pilots who have publicly expressed serious concerns about the official account of 9/11. Statements from more than 30 other pilots are available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com .
another guy the sheaple know more than
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
by Alan Miller \
September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy ?Top Gun? pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. ?It just didn?t make any sense to me,? he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, ?When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.?
Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy?s ?Top Gun? air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, ?Top Gun? reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a ?Top Gun? adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.
Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.
Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, ?At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757?s and 767?s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.?
Commander Kolstad adds, ?I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!?
He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, ?Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces??
But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad?s criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, ?Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all??
Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. ?How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn?t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn?t add up."
"Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ?explosions? before the buildings collapsed??
Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, ?If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don?t believe the official ?story? and why I want the truth to be told.?
Commander Kolstad is just one of the many military and commercial pilots who have publicly expressed serious concerns about the official account of 9/11. Statements from more than 30 other pilots are available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com .
another nut, he knows nothing compared to sheaple
another nut, he knows nothing compared to sheaple
Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), is a Navy aviator, who, after retirement, had a second career as a commercial airline pilot for Pan-Am.
In a 2007 interview on the Alex Jones Show, [16] Commander Muga stated, ?The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ... I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature.
?And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ... I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous.
?And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...
?Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible.?
another nut, he knows nothing compared to sheaple
Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), is a Navy aviator, who, after retirement, had a second career as a commercial airline pilot for Pan-Am.
In a 2007 interview on the Alex Jones Show, [16] Commander Muga stated, ?The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ... I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature.
?And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ... I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous.
?And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ...
?Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible.?
How about a hell bent terrorist willing to make any fawking move to hit the Pentagon, twisting and turning, screaming passengers, doing a double barrell roll, full throttle, with all flaps up and landing gear down, hell bent on killing himself and others ?
Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret), - Uh well under those conditions that could happen then.
:SIB
So now they twisted and turned and did double barrel rolls with their landing gear down and their flaps up? :mj07: Please show me THIS video also as I saw some and it didn't show any of that.
You somehow digress and grow dumber every fawking day. How? Soon I expect to see you with a shirt on that reads upside down, reminding yourself to breathe you're so fukcing stooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid.
Keep dreaming up fairy tales goof ball, I will refer to Commander Muga on this one.
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Man are you dumb.....never seen anything like it.
Great post Gregg as usual!:00hour
thanx agent
funny how these guys KNOW MORE than experts ... 25 of them state that 9/11 is BS and explain why they think so .... these are ex military officials and yet the sheaple all whine that NO ONE EVER STEPS FWD.... they do all the time from able danger to lynne stewart to april gallop to sibel edmonds etc etc .... there are tons of people, problem is TIME MAGAZINE and CNN wont touch it ... i wonder why ... to even address the myopic is to waste time reading and researching the truth ... you notice they never answer any of the tough of ones--or should i say the glaring obvious ones ... oh wait some post pictures of stick men :mj07:
funny how these guys KNOW MORE than experts ... 25 of them state that 9/11 is BS and explain why they think so .... these are ex military officials and yet the sheaple all whine that NO ONE EVER STEPS FWD.... they do all the time from able danger to lynne stewart to april gallop to sibel edmonds etc etc .... there are tons of people, problem is TIME MAGAZINE and CNN wont touch it ... i wonder why ... to even address the myopic is to waste time reading and researching the truth ... you notice they never answer any of the tough of ones--or should i say the glaring obvious ones ... oh wait some post pictures of stick men :mj07:
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agent
you are hurting my feelings with all the stupid referances. please stop now.
Some people dont know what they are talking about and question why.
Some people think they know the truth and question what if.
And some people are just stupid like
you greggourd.
you are hurting my feelings with all the stupid referances. please stop now.
Some people dont know what they are talking about and question why.
Some people think they know the truth and question what if.
And some people are just stupid like
you greggourd.
agent
you are hurting my feelings with all the stupid referances. please stop now.
Some people dont know what they are talking about and question why.
Some people think they know the truth and question what if.
And some people are just stupid like
you greggourd.
It took you all fukcin night and this is your comeback?
I guess when you're beat, you're beat!
you guys always crack me up with absolutely no counters to the truth other than name calling... where are your facts disputing anything we post ... its ok, all us doubters know whats up and your small-minded narrow views we just scoff at so im still not sure why it bothers you that we think differently bc we dont care what you think either:00hour
How the military poisons its own troops
How the military poisons its own troops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM34OyKt5iE&feature=related
How the military poisons its own troops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM34OyKt5iE&feature=related
