a quick poll--need some input
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hey Needafixton
your more full of shit that a christmas turkey.
get off ptgourds ass yu clown.
think for yourself
dont listen to this blarney.
gw- I think he is a coward.
now ptgourd has jumped on the anthrax one.
nice going pt maybe you can make a few points.
Now that I have been asked to officially give my opinions, I have gone through up to page two. I will read every word and watch every film.
I may be able to bleed another 13 pages out of this just by myself.
ptgourd could easily stop me by admitting this stuff is crap and apologizing to the political forum for wasting our time and jacks bandwidth.
Geez Louise.
PS - I find it funnier than hell that ptgourd wont respond to me. :142smilie :142smilie
nice going pt maybe you can make a few points.
Now that I have been asked to officially give my opinions, I have gone through up to page two. I will read every word and watch every film.
I may be able to bleed another 13 pages out of this just by myself.
ptgourd could easily stop me by admitting this stuff is crap and apologizing to the political forum for wasting our time and jacks bandwidth.
Geez Louise.
PS - I find it funnier than hell that ptgourd wont respond to me. :142smilie :142smilie
And I think you're full of dirt out of your backyard.
You can be stupid without being disagreeable, KOD.
Try it!
You can be stupid without being disagreeable, KOD.
Try it!
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yeh they heard about it and vacated the towers just before the planes hit.
:SIB
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that was pretty weak Nieder
I got called worse in the third grade at recess.
please tell me you arnt falling for all this crap.
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fats
I see you called him a traitor and a coward before I even read it.
looks like we agree on this guy.
and he still wont talk to me ....:142smilie :142smilie
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OK read to page three now.
holy shit that was funny ......
nice one UGA
Go dogs
From what I've read there were 120 or so Jews killed in the buildings. However, I think there was only one Israeli.
There's also the matter of the Odigo warnings, which I posted earlier in this thread. I guess you find it convenient to ignore an Israeli paper's reporting that people received warnings via its message service before the attack.
I'll post it again:
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has\
What do you say to this, gardenweasel?
How could Israelis warn other Israelis about an attack "our" government says was carried off by Muslims?
The problem is, KOD, that virtually every war we've been in had a triggering incident that turned out to be a lie. "9/11" is just that.
On closer inspection it always turns out that the government concocted lies to create the pretext for a war the people didn't want any part of.
- Lusitania
- Pearl Harbor
- Tonkin Gulf
and now
"9/11"
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Kissinger Quits As Chairman of 9/11 Panel
by Ron Fournier
WASHINGTON ?? Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger stepped down Friday as chairman of a panel investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, citing controversy over potential conflicts of interest with his private-sector clients.
"It is clear that, although specific potential conflicts can be resolved in this manner, the controversy would quickly move to the consulting firm I have built and own," Kissinger wrote in a letter to President Bush, who appointed him. "I have, therefore, concluded that I cannot accept the responsibility you proposed."
The decision was another blow for the fledging panel and the families of Sept. 11 victims. The panel's original vice chairman, George Mitchell, resigned from the commission Wednesday, partly because of pressures to quit his law firm.
Kissinger's resignation came one day after he tried to assure victims that his business interests would not conflict with his duties as chairman. The White House and congressional Democrats had clashed on whether he had to disclose his business clients, with Bush's advisers saying the law did not require such disclosures.
Bush issued a written statement saying he accepted Kissinger's resignation with regret. "His chairmanship would have provided the insights and analysis the government needs to understand the methods of our enemies and the nature of the threats we face," the statement said.
He promised to pick a new chairman to help "uncover every detail and learn every lesson of Sept. 11, even as we act on what we have learned so far to better protect and defend America."
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Find one article that mentions bin laden as a client of Kissingers. And how he was representing him.
Geez Louise , you make statements that are so full of shit.
ptgourd on the run. heading for the hills.
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you fawking pussy editing now at this late date.
Yeh put KOD on ignore.
He is making too much sense.
I cant explain things.
wa wa wa wa wa.
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They may have been warned but I doubt the warning said the twin towers were going to be attacked.
show me where it says that one dingleberry
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.
Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message
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just as I thought . It was not a direct warning
dumb ass.
uhh maybe there will be a attack on NY .
better get out now.....
Yeh ok thats a warning by the moussad.
so where did the message come from ? If you cant answer that then this is more conspiracy crap bullshit.
You sound more and more like that coward ptgourd.
where the hell is he anyways ?
oh he is hiding behind his ignore list worrying that KOD is saying harsh things about him.
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.
Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message
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just as I thought . It was not a direct warning
dumb ass.
uhh maybe there will be a attack on NY .
better get out now.....
Yeh ok thats a warning by the moussad.
so where did the message come from ? If you cant answer that then this is more conspiracy crap bullshit.
You sound more and more like that coward ptgourd.
where the hell is he anyways ?
oh he is hiding behind his ignore list worrying that KOD is saying harsh things about him.
God, you are dumb. You could win a dumb-off with marine without breaking a sweat.
Read the flippin' paragraph quoted, you mope.
Read the flippin' paragraph quoted, you mope.
Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.
Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.
The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.
The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
niederton,
you mean well but you are new and trust me aruging with people who use exclusive ad hominem attacks and dont have even a sliver of open mind to investigate things are not the people we should be concerned about addressing ... i stated my goals for this thread long ago, yet many people are so theatened with our searching for the truth--and not swallowing lies from our gov. that starts false flags whenever they need to bully someone and hoodwink our brain dead nation--they will shout and use the same bully tactics that our administration utilizes...
thanks for your good intentions...
gregg :00hour
The Unsolved Case Of Anthrax
By Tom Daschle
Sunday, October 15, 2006; Page B07
Oct. 15, 2001, is a day I'll never forget. On that day one of my staff members opened an anthrax-laced letter addressed to me, and my office became a part of the deadliest bioterrorism attack in U.S. history. Anthrax was also sent through the mail to a number of other people and organizations -- the National Enquirer, the New York Post, broadcaster Tom Brokaw and Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont. These attacks killed five people, injured 17 others, disrupted operations all over Capitol Hill and alarmed an entire nation.
Twenty-eight people, including 20 on my staff, tested positive for anthrax exposure. Though relieved that they were spared the horror of the disease, I am reminded every day that the families and friends of five others were not so lucky. Robert Stevens in Florida, Kathy Nguyen in New York, Ottilie Lundgren in Connecticut, and Thomas Morris Jr. and Joseph Curseen in Washington were all victims of the attack.
Five years later, the alarm I and many others experienced on that dark day has been replaced by a deep discouragement and dismay.
The investigation's trail has gone cold. Physical evidence that might have been gathered in the first days and weeks after the attacks is long gone. Meanwhile, if a recent article in The Post is any guide, questions remain in the scientific community about the composition of the anthrax and the level of technological expertise required to manufacture it -- even though there is no question about its extreme lethality.
While the FBI has made gains in its scientific capabilities and understanding of anthrax, its slowness to move and its lack of direction in the early stages of the investigation led to missed opportunities. In this age when we face a new kind of enemy, we need to be able to adapt our counterterrorism and law enforcement strategies to meet the threat.
We ought to use this fifth anniversary of the attack to rededicate ourselves to solving the crime and ensuring that we are better prepared to confront similar attacks.
First, the FBI and the Justice Department must treat this investigation with urgency. Solving the crime would send an important message to the perpetrator(s), to those who are contemplating similar attacks and to the American people.
Second, the Sept. 11 commission called for the creation of an FBI national security workforce and for a recalibration of the FBI mission -- from sole concentration on its criminal justice mission and toward increased focus on national security. Late last year the commission gave the FBI a C on its progress. A recent examination of the bureau found that new agents get insufficient counterterrorism training and that the role of analysts is underappreciated. These reforms, like the investigation of the attack itself, need to be implemented with urgency.
Third, progress on the investigation and needed reforms are hindered by a lack of congressional oversight. Part of that is the FBI's fault: Even the targets of this attack have been denied updates on the investigation since mid-2004, the last time I was briefed on it. But Congress cannot and should not be given a free pass on the issue. There has been dramatically little oversight of FBI reorganization in the two years since the Sept. 11 commission's initial report was released and the year since the commission released its review of progress toward implementing its sensible recommendations.
Finally, there has been precious little reform of our public health infrastructure to ensure that we are prepared for future terrorist attacks and health emergencies. Every American deserves to know that he or she will receive the best care this country has to offer if and when the next disaster strikes.
Regrettably, we learned after Hurricane Katrina that emergency health services are both scarce and fragile in this country. Moreover, our funding for public health infrastructure has lagged, exacerbating the crisis in emergency capacity. And efforts to stockpile necessary drugs have been usurped by inefficient subsidies to drug companies and by bureaucratic indecision.
It's been five years since the anthrax attacks shook our country and took the lives of five Americans. We cannot permit another five to pass before we close this chapter and prepare for the next one.
you mean well but you are new and trust me aruging with people who use exclusive ad hominem attacks and dont have even a sliver of open mind to investigate things are not the people we should be concerned about addressing ... i stated my goals for this thread long ago, yet many people are so theatened with our searching for the truth--and not swallowing lies from our gov. that starts false flags whenever they need to bully someone and hoodwink our brain dead nation--they will shout and use the same bully tactics that our administration utilizes...
thanks for your good intentions...
gregg :00hour
The Unsolved Case Of Anthrax
By Tom Daschle
Sunday, October 15, 2006; Page B07
Oct. 15, 2001, is a day I'll never forget. On that day one of my staff members opened an anthrax-laced letter addressed to me, and my office became a part of the deadliest bioterrorism attack in U.S. history. Anthrax was also sent through the mail to a number of other people and organizations -- the National Enquirer, the New York Post, broadcaster Tom Brokaw and Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont. These attacks killed five people, injured 17 others, disrupted operations all over Capitol Hill and alarmed an entire nation.
Twenty-eight people, including 20 on my staff, tested positive for anthrax exposure. Though relieved that they were spared the horror of the disease, I am reminded every day that the families and friends of five others were not so lucky. Robert Stevens in Florida, Kathy Nguyen in New York, Ottilie Lundgren in Connecticut, and Thomas Morris Jr. and Joseph Curseen in Washington were all victims of the attack.
Five years later, the alarm I and many others experienced on that dark day has been replaced by a deep discouragement and dismay.
The investigation's trail has gone cold. Physical evidence that might have been gathered in the first days and weeks after the attacks is long gone. Meanwhile, if a recent article in The Post is any guide, questions remain in the scientific community about the composition of the anthrax and the level of technological expertise required to manufacture it -- even though there is no question about its extreme lethality.
While the FBI has made gains in its scientific capabilities and understanding of anthrax, its slowness to move and its lack of direction in the early stages of the investigation led to missed opportunities. In this age when we face a new kind of enemy, we need to be able to adapt our counterterrorism and law enforcement strategies to meet the threat.
We ought to use this fifth anniversary of the attack to rededicate ourselves to solving the crime and ensuring that we are better prepared to confront similar attacks.
First, the FBI and the Justice Department must treat this investigation with urgency. Solving the crime would send an important message to the perpetrator(s), to those who are contemplating similar attacks and to the American people.
Second, the Sept. 11 commission called for the creation of an FBI national security workforce and for a recalibration of the FBI mission -- from sole concentration on its criminal justice mission and toward increased focus on national security. Late last year the commission gave the FBI a C on its progress. A recent examination of the bureau found that new agents get insufficient counterterrorism training and that the role of analysts is underappreciated. These reforms, like the investigation of the attack itself, need to be implemented with urgency.
Third, progress on the investigation and needed reforms are hindered by a lack of congressional oversight. Part of that is the FBI's fault: Even the targets of this attack have been denied updates on the investigation since mid-2004, the last time I was briefed on it. But Congress cannot and should not be given a free pass on the issue. There has been dramatically little oversight of FBI reorganization in the two years since the Sept. 11 commission's initial report was released and the year since the commission released its review of progress toward implementing its sensible recommendations.
Finally, there has been precious little reform of our public health infrastructure to ensure that we are prepared for future terrorist attacks and health emergencies. Every American deserves to know that he or she will receive the best care this country has to offer if and when the next disaster strikes.
Regrettably, we learned after Hurricane Katrina that emergency health services are both scarce and fragile in this country. Moreover, our funding for public health infrastructure has lagged, exacerbating the crisis in emergency capacity. And efforts to stockpile necessary drugs have been usurped by inefficient subsidies to drug companies and by bureaucratic indecision.
It's been five years since the anthrax attacks shook our country and took the lives of five Americans. We cannot permit another five to pass before we close this chapter and prepare for the next one.
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neener
the article that I read twice, does not say anything about a direct warning of WTC bldgs being hit by planes.
if you have taken up the sword for ptgourd , I am worried you may not be able to carry the weight.
where the hell did that ptgourd go anyways?
He may be hiding under his computer desk reading this as I type.
