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I dont think that I insulted you anymore than you did others that disagreed with you. Note- marine is my son.

your lack of respect for me is evident and I am sorry I disagree with you on this matter. I must inform you that I am a big conspiracy buff, do not trust GW, and am open minded to logical thinking.

I do not think what I have posted is garbage any more than what you have 14 pages of.

I think I will continue to pursue the truth about this , wherever that leads me.

glad you finally stopped running to the hills.

I guess you think that this thread has some kind of historical value and should not be tarnished.:SIB

I see it for what it is and ask why, you see it for what it is and say this is truth.
 

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ben sliney first day as head of norad- 9/11

ben sliney first day as head of norad- 9/11

check this bungling:142smilie

8:30 a.m.-8:40 a.m. September 11, 2001: FAA Command Center Informed of Hijacking; NORAD Still Not Notified The FAA?s Command Center in Herndon, Virginia, begins its usual daily senior staff meeting. National Operations Manager Ben Sliney interrupts the meeting to report a possible hijacking in progress, as the Center had been told about the Flight 11 hijacking two minutes earlier.

At 8:40am, a supervisor interrupts the meeting to report that a flight attendant on the hijacked aircraft may have been stabbed. The meeting breaks up before the first WTC crash at 8:46 a.m. Apparently, no one in the meeting contacts NORAD. Despite the ?intuitive nature of this group of people,? none of them will initially consider the first WTC crash to be connected to the hijacking they have been informed of. According to Linda Schuessler, the deputy director of system operations at the Command Center, ?something that seemed so bizarre as flying a hijacked plane full of people into a skyscraper didn?t seem possible.? [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 12/17/2001; Freni, 2003, pp. 63]

(9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Rookie FAA Manager Bans All Take Offs Nationwide, Including Most Military Flights? Mineta Asserts He Issues Order Minutes Later

FAA Administrator Jane Garvey. [Source: FAA]Time magazine later reports that Jane Garvey, head of the FAA, ?almost certainly after getting an okay from the White House, initiate a national ground stop, which forbids takeoffs and requires planes in the air to get down as soon as is reasonable. The order, which has never been implemented since flying was invented in 1903, applie to virtually every single kind of machine that can takeoff?civilian, military, or law enforcement.? Military and law enforcement flights are allowed to resume at 10:31 a.m. (see 10:31 a.m. September 11, 2001) A limited number of military flights?the FAA will not reveal details?are allowed to fly during this ban. [Time, 9/14/2001] Garvey later calls it ?a national ground stop? that prevented any aircraft from taking off.? [US Congress, 9/21/2001] Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta later says he was the one to give the order: ?As soon as I was aware of the nature and scale of the attack, I called from the White House to order the air traffic system to land all aircraft, immediately and without exception.? [US Congress. Senate. Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, 9/20/2001] According to Mineta, ?At approximately 9:45? I gave the FAA the final order for all civil aircraft to land at the nearest airport as soon as possible.? [9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003] At the time, 4,452 planes are flying in the continental US. A later account states that Ben Sliney, the FAA?s National Operations Manager, makes the decision without consulting his superiors, like Jane Garvey, first. It would be remarkable if Sliney was the one to make the decision, because 9/11 is Sliney?s first day on the job as National Operations Manager, ?the chess master of the air traffic system.? [USA Today, 8/13/2002]

When he accepted the job a couple of months earlier, he had asked, ?What is the limit of my authority?? The man who had promoted him replied, ?Unlimited.? [USA Today, 8/13/2002]

9:34 a.m. September 11, 2001: FAA?s Headquarters Notified There Might Be a Bomb Onboard Flight 93; NORAD Not Notified According to the 9/11 Commission, word of Flight 93?s hijacking reaches FAA headquarters. By this time, headquarters has established an open line of communication with the FAA Command Center at Herndon, Virginia. It had instructed the center to poll all flight control centers about suspect aircraft. So, at this time, the Command Center passes on Cleveland?s message: ?United 93 may have a bomb on board.? The FAA headquarters apparently does not forward this information to the military, despite having the responsibility for doing so. Ben Sliney, the FAA?s national operations manager at its Herndon Command Center, will later recount, ?I do know that all the information was being relayed to headquarters and, at least as far as we were concerned, it should have been. We thought it had been given to the military at each juncture.? The Command Center continually updates FAA headquarters on Flight 93 until it crashes. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; CBC, 9/12/2006]

(9:45 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Senior FAA Manager, on His First Day on the Job, Orders All Planes Out of the Sky Nationwide
FAA National Operations Manager Ben Sliney. [Source: Publicity photo]Ben Sliney, FAA?s National Operations Manager, orders the entire nationwide air traffic system shut down. All flights at US airports are stopped. Around 3,950 flights are still in the air. Sliney makes the decision without consulting FAA head Jane Garvey, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, or other bosses, but they quickly approve his actions. It?s Sliney?s first day on the job. [CNN, 9/12/2001; New York Times, 9/12/2001; Washington Post, 9/12/2001; MSNBC, 9/22/2001; Associated Press, 8/12/2002; USA Today, 8/13/2002; USA Today, 8/13/2002; USA Today, 8/13/2002; Associated Press, 8/19/2002; Newsday, 9/10/2002]

Seventy-five percent of the planes land within one hour of the order. [USA Today, 8/12/2002] The 9/11 Commission will later remark that this ?was an unprecedented order? that the ?air traffic control system handled? with great skill.? [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 29] The Washington Post has reported that Mineta told Monte Belger at the FAA: ?Monte, bring all the planes down,? even adding, ?[Expletive] pilot discretion.? [Washington Post, 1/27/2002] However, it is later reported by a different Post reporter that Mineta did not even know of the order until 15 minutes later. This reporter ?says FAA officials had begged him to maintain the fiction.? [Slate, 4/2/2002]


9:49 a.m. September 11, 2001: FAA Headquarters Continues to Delay Decision on Contacting NORAD About Flight 93 According to the 9/11 Commission, the FAA Command Center has just twice warned FAA headquarters that United 93 is now ?29 minutes out of Washington, DC.? Someone at headquarters says to someone at the Command Center, ?they?re pulling Jeff [last name unknown] away to go talk about United 93.? Command Center replies, ?Uh, do we want to think about, uh, scrambling aircraft [NORAD fighters]?? FAA headquarters replies, ?Uh, God, I don?t know.? Command Center says, ?Uh, that?s a decision somebody?s gonna have to make probably, in the next ten minutes.? FAA headquarters answers, ?Uh, ya know, everybody just left the room.? [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] This is 13 minutes since Cleveland flight control had asked the Command Center in vain to contact NORAD about Flight 93 (see (9:36 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Apparently there is only one person at FAA headquarters who is authorized to request military assistance. Ben Sliney, the FAA?s national operations manager at its Herndon Command Center, is told that no one can find them. He later recounts, ?I said something like that?s incredible. There?s only one person. There must be someone designated or someone who will assume the responsibility of issuing an order, you know. We were becoming frustrated in our attempts to get some information. What was the military response?? [Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 9/10/2006] This contrasts with the FAA?s earlier response to Flight 11, where Boston flight controllers had contacted NORAD?s Northeast Air Defense Sector themselves (see (8:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001), and had even directly called military bases (see 8:34 a.m. September 11, 2001) (see (8:34 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
 

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ben sliney has never been questioned in public, and was not contacted to appear in front of the kean commission ... how amazing is that ...:scared :scared

if thats not further and huge evidentiary proof for silence and overt coverup, i dont know what else needs to be said
 

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max cleland and the farcical 911 whitewash commission

max cleland and the farcical 911 whitewash commission

Yesterday, a group of Democratic senators released a letter sent to the White House, asking President Bush to compel Rice to testify at the hearing. Rice has met with the panel in private, but aides have said she believes it would set a bad precedent for her to testify publicly.

Meanwhile, a pair of public interest groups, The 9-11 Family Steering Committee and 9-11 Citizens Watch, have called for the resignation of the director of the independent 9-11 commission, Philip Zelikow.

The calls for resignation come after former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke revealed that Zelikow participated in Bush administration briefings on al Qaeda prior to Sept. 11.

Former Georgia senator Max Cleland, who resigned from the commission, became the chief critic of the White House stonewalling over releasing documents and lack of cooperation.

In October last year, Cleland said the Bush administration was purposely stalling the investigation because of the 2004 election. Cleland said, "As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted."

In November, after the White House set conditions for the examination of documents Cleland said, "If this decision stands, I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised."
 

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ben sliney has never been questioned in public, and was not contacted to appear in front of the kean commission ... how amazing is that ...:scared :scared

if thats not further and huge evidentiary proof for silence and overt coverup, i dont know what else needs to be said
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This proves nothing. So they bring Ben Slimy up in front of the commission. What is that supposed to prove ?

The fact is that the guy and the United States were caught off guard by hijackers willing to fly planes into buildings. It seems the terrorists thought through their pland completely .

What you going to do, fire Ben Sliney and take away his goverment pension, because there were no procedures for this attack ? :shrug:

I doubt anyone was going to quickly give a order to scramble planes that would have to fire on and take down american citizens. That would have almost been worse than the attack itself. To give a order to kill our own people.

Its not a coverup, they are just embarressed about it. There is a big differance.
 

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Sept. 11 is Sliney's first day on the job as national operations manager, the chess master of the air traffic system. The New Yorker, a lawyer who once sued the FAA on behalf of air traffic controllers, now walks the floor of the center ? a room that resembles NASA's Mission Control.

Loud and forceful, Sliney fits the mold of others there. After managers at the center were criticized for not taking enough action to prevent record flight delays in 1999, the specialists were urged to speak freely during crises. That way, those in charge would have the information they needed to make sound decisions. On this day, that policy will be put to the test, and the center is deafening, like the New York Stock Exchange when everyone's trying to sell.

"We have some planes..."

Sliney can't shake the words. Are there more hijackers out there?

8:30 a.m.: 3,786 planes

"Wow, look at that!"

In the FAA's largest air traffic facility in New York state ? a warehouse-like structure on Long Island, an hour east of Manhattan ? manager Mike McCormick rushes to the banks of radar screens where controllers are trying to track Flight 11.

The former Marine presses his cordless phone to one ear as he talks to officials at other facilities in the New York area. But the other ear is doing most of the listening ? to the radio reports of pilots who are watching the jet's progress.
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It was Ben Slineys first day on the fawking job.

And you are somehow involving him in deception and conspiracy.

Put yourself in that situation. I doubt you could have done any better.

You may have just put them all on your ignore list.
 

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so scott you are in charge of a murder invetsigation, you dont bring in the key man in the one of biggest holes in 9/11 lies ... youd be fired the first ten mins on job ... your logic is incredibly humorous ... read a book, listen to that link i just sent, listen to tarpley or the others, please get informed ... it gets tedious pointing out things a 2nd grader wouldnt ask
 

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so scott you are in charge of a murder invetsigation, you dont bring in the key man in the one of biggest holes in 9/11 lies ... youd be fired the first ten mins on job ... your logic is incredibly humorous ... read a book, listen to that link i just sent, listen to tarpley or the others, please get informed ... it gets tedious pointing out things a 2nd grader wouldnt ask

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explain how this Ben Sliney is the biggests hole of lies ?

I dont get it. It was his first day on the job. What are you faulting him for ?

I know you dont want to talk to me but insults will get you no where.

I am sorry you get upset when logical questions you cannot answer make you think that maybe some of this is full of horseshit.

just sayin
 

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you also failed to tie in Kissenger with the representation of Bin Laden.

you make the statement that Kissinger stepped down because he was representing Bin Laden, then when I ask you to show proof of that in any written form, and I get nada.

Its going to promote you past third grade at this point.

PS - How can I ask any difficult questions of anyone when you cant even answer simple direct ones of statements that you have made swaying the truth.

Geez Louise.
 
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kissinger would not reveal his list of people he represents, when one of the NJ wives aksed him if he represented BL he about fell of his chair, she is interviewed revealing this ... he quit the next day ... how many times do you have to see coincidence b4 you smell rat ... keep researching and you will see it hundreds of times where the gov. runs ... scott, why wont they release any film .. why did the fbi say flight 77 evaporated then later said they had put all the plane together and have it safely stored but no one can see it ... scott, please read a lot, you cant be this naive ...
 
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missinger would not reveal his list of people he represents, when one of the NJ wives aksed him if he represented BL he about fell of his chair, she is interviewed revealing this ... he quit the next day ...
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uh pt . you said that kissinger represented him

you said nothing about some housewive in mourning questioning him.

sorry but this is what gets me about what other stuff you are saying.

I would prefer to ask the questions and you provide the answers counselor.
 

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STUDY THIS

STUDY THIS

http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies3.htm

faked triage and more from pentagon ...


from the overpass 77' feet high and 820' from pentagon yet still managed to strike a 16' hole at ground level and vanish inside three rings w/o breaking any windows or leaving tail or wings or pratt and whitney engines anywhere ... all flown by hani hajour who couldnt fly a cessna and performed a 270 complicated banked turn that many seasoned pilots said they doubted they could do ...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/MrSammo1/A0024b_Pentagon_near_the_fly_over_p.jpg
 
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?Crazy people who still think that the government brought down the twin towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I?m the one that?s na?ve. How big a lunatic do you have to be to watch two giant airliners packed with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV, igniting a massive inferno that burned for two hours and then think, ?Well if you believe that was the cause . . . .? Stop asking me to raise this ridiculous topic on the show and ask your doctor if Paxil is right for you.? - Bill Mauer

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all flown by hani hajour who couldnt fly a cessna and performed a 270 complicated banked turn that many seasoned pilots said they doubted they could do ...

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Did you ever stop to think about this as you have said it about 5 times now and I am only on page 5.

Just maybe Hani Hajour kept the pilot in the cockpit with a weapon to his head. Maybe Hani took over only at the last minute.

No one was there to tell us about it. Why does your theory hold any more water than any other ?

Pull you head out of your ass and think about it.
 

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and this is exactly why i dont want to waste my time with you ... im not here to be your nurse knowledge maid, you havent asked me anything that isnt already on this thread, and as far as insults, please check back how many times you called me a pussy etc ...

read for a month and then get back to me ... im going to post more info for people who actually want to learn as much as i do and not make assinine comments like you ... like i said, call me if you are sincere, and stop clogging this thread with your nonsense ... im done .. cant believe i spent this much time with you--you dont want to believe that the gov. is involved, good for you, scotty ...

you insisted that the videos i linked are all pussy and all the info i have posted is full of shit, yet theres no way you couldve looked at 1/10th of them ... dont you see you are overwhelmed ... anyone with a discerning mind, not one who swallows transparent lies, sees that ...

why does it offend you so much that someone could start a thread you dont not only agree with but that one that shows irrefutable proof that the gov. is covering up like twiggy would under a joe louis barage
 

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The plane was hijacked, and Hanjour was given the controls to pilot the plane into the Pentagon at 9:37 A.M. Hanjour obtained a commercial pilot's certificate in 1999 and according to the chief instructor, "Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot." and "There's no doubt in my mind that once that (hijacked jet) got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said.
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yeh like SixFive said
 

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i havent seen it yet but i heard maher was made to look like a buffoon by hecklers last night for the Truth :00hour

try looking at the short video i posted where you can see charges blow the roof off ... also get thorns 911 on trial and consider the evidence from a POV that isnt a coverup


quoting 6'5 who knows even less then you do ... theres a 1000 reasons hani didnt fly that plane and you could learn them instead of quoting other lazy people ... get clued in scott, read for a month
 
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read for a month and then get back to me ... im going to post more info for people who actually want to learn as much as i do and not make assinine comments like you ... like i said, call me if you are sincere, and stop clogging this thread with your nonsense

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there you go again, running for the hills.

It is so easy to stump you I am actually worried that you can be taken seriously at all.

All you want to do is post what you think is the truth and not look at it from differant angles.

I dont think I can clog a thread that is 15 pages long.

No one is reading it but us now anyways.:shrug:
 
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