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oh my god,
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gimmie a f-ing break!!!!!!!!!!!


It kinds sucks when people jump in your thread and hi-jack it and post unnecesarry pictures eh? Maybe you should ask agent about his coffee can spam.

This entire thread has no business being on this site because you and your "believers" have turned it into an opportunity to covertly bash and insult everyone and anyone who does not buy into the "Bush did it" theory and a secondary opportunity to bash entire ethnic races!

don't even think of putting yourself up on a pedastel of righteousness and justice in this thread.

Because some of us have the nuts to stand up to your spewing and take a stand and voice our own opinion that you calling us lemmings and sheep are wrong does not make us 'haters'. We're exercising the same rights you are.

oh, and to keep on topic, .... i still think the WTC was brought down due SOLELY to a terrorist attack without prompting from our own officials.
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hey guys havent posted in ages, been doing hoop camps for kids all summer ... but was curious for your feedback on these 2 questions, might be slightly politically but wasnt sure if conspiracy is synonymous ...

anyhow,

A. do you think it was a plane that hit the pentagon and if so do you know where i can find eye witness reports supporting that


B. do you think the jets fuel couldve possibly melted the towers that fast ...


anyhow, have a lil bet on the pct. of these answers so would love to have as many of you reply as possible

all my best
gregg

As for the "idea" that the non-believers not come in this thread, as it isn't fair to the believers... i'd just like to point that this is the original post... a request for feedback on this topic... to either side.

Agent, perhaps you can talk pt1gard into going back and editing it to say something more appropriate... like:

This thread is only for people that are involved in the conspiracy theory and not for people who use science and math in their logical thought process.
 

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since you are only one who actually ever has asked me a question, even tho i dont agree with anything you mention, and i have told you if youd like to discuss this offline, on the phone or via emails, IMs, write jack for my info if youd truly like to talk a couple hours i will glady debate this with you and we can trade questions civilly ... and we can keep track on who can answer what to the other's satisfaction or we can agree we dont know the answer to something .... honestly, if youd like to go deep into this and i can see how much you actually know, id love the chance via a phone call ...

i hope you call


take care
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marine,

since you are only one who actually ever has asked me a question, even tho i dont agree with anything you mention, and i have told you if youd like to discuss this offline, on the phone or via emails, IMs, write jack for my info if youd truly like to talk a couple hours i will glady debate this with you and we can trade questions civilly ... and we can keep track on who can answer what to the other's satisfaction or we can agree we dont know the answer to something .... honestly, if youd like to go deep into this and i can see how much you actually know, id love the chance via a phone call ...

i hope you call


take care
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What fantasy land are you living in? When oh WHEN have you asked me to email or call you offline?
Is your world that big of a fantasy? Do you think that you really did that?
And secondly, you have elevated yourself to the point that I must prove to you my intelligence to converse with you?
What is there to go deep into? Your "scientific" arguements are based on t=8.5 seconds. If anything, velocity and acceleration equations for this arguement should be run with LIMITS of t {8.5, 18}.. but they aren't... which is just another example of the manipulation of data used to justify theories, manipulating results to coincide with theory.
In case you haven't figured it out, I'm going to pass on that phone call and just talk to the wall here instead.
 

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if i didnt offer it to you, i did to the general naysayers, so im sorry if that was the egrigious case i apologize... i would love to debate you over the phone, tape it and then play it to all ... so the offer goes to anyone of you who would like to pick up the gauntlet for your sheeple side vs. the truth:00hour

i am curious if its true about the marine backdooring initiations you had to go through, sure seems legit? :shrug:
 

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Please oh please oh please oh please oh please accept the debate!

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Never know, you might 'win'.:shrug:
 

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if i didnt offer it to you, i did to the general naysayers, so im sorry if that was the egrigious case i apologize... i would love to debate you over the phone, tape it and then play it to all ... so the offer goes to anyone of you who would like to pick up the gauntlet for your sheeple side vs. the truth:00hour

i am curious if its true about the marine backdooring initiations you had to go through, sure seems legit? :shrug:

See this? and you have the gall to accuse other of name calling and immaturity and whine about how people are trying to ruin this thread of yours?
now you are going to record the call too... wow, I can't even imagine how manipulated the sound bytes would be on that one!
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Kay Griggs, Former Marine Colonel's Wife Talks Again

About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government

For 11 long years, Kay Griggs heard all the messy details from her military husband, usually while he was drinking before going into one of his drunken stupors. First going public in 1998 in an eight hour video interview with a truth-seeking Michigan pastor and FM radio broadcaster, she now is back after 9/11 to warn Americans to beware of the evil lurking within the highest levels of government, bound and determined to destroy America.

July 25, 2005
By Greg Szymanski
http://sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2570

Katharine ?Kay? Griggs knows what it?s like to have a gun pointed in her face. She knows what it?s like to have her face slapped, her bones broken and her nose bloodied by her former bully of a husband, an active Marine Colonel and a man who she claims is ?above the law and literally gets away with murder.?

Virginia court documents and photos of her battered arms and legs tell the sad and brutal physical story of her failed marriage, a tumultuous 11 year roller coaster ride ending in 1999.

But the real story for public consumption isn?t the private divorce court details. It is the secret military information about drug running, weapon sales, sexual perversion and assassination squads she learned firsthand from her husband, U.S. Marine Corps Col. George Raymond Griggs, now remarried and living in Mirror Lake, NH.

This isn?t the first time Griggs is going public with her story about government mob-like hit squads and the sexually perverted secret ?cap and gown and skull and bone society? her husband belonged to along with other high-ranking Marine officers and pubic officials.

She first went public in 1996 after receiving death threats, being rescued by Sarah McClendon, former senior member of the White House press corps, who believed her story and took Griggs under her wing, giving her a place to stay and important advice about how to stay alive when dealing with military operatives.

?I became a whistle blower and received death threats,? said Griggs this week in an extended telephone conversation from her Tidewater, VA. home. ?I finally wound up living for safety reasons with Sarah, the dean of the White House Press Corps, who had been with every president since FDR and was in Army intelligence and also an attorney's daughter from Texas.?

Advised by McClendon to go public without being able to get the mainstream media to listen, she traveled to Adrian, MI on the advice of a friend to do a long extended taped interview with Pastor Rick Strawcutter, a preacher and owner of a 500 watt pirate FM station at 99.3 on the dial in Lenawee County.

Strawcutter, who believed in free speech radio and empowering the public with the truth, produced two extended interviews finally released in 2000, one being a two hour version called ?Sleeping With The Enemy? and the other an unedited eight hour version available at www.kaygriggstalks.com.

Since then Griggs said she went back to her Virginia home, tried to piece her life together and essentially talked to private groups or anybody who would take the time to listen.

Now this week Griggs decided to tell her story again, saying ?I will keep repeating it to anyone? and adding after 9/11, the war in Iraq, the London bombings and the fear of terrorism, the ?American people are at a point were they are ready and willing to hear the truth.?...

Although they may be shocked, Griggs said the ?truth will set you free,? even if it means facing up to the highest form of corruption, including sexual perversion and government sponsored mob-like hits orchestrated by high-ranking military and government officials.

?My former husband George, who is a trained assassin, calls the people he is involved with the members of The Firm or The Brotherhood. If you are in the click, you are above the law and literally can get away with murder. For years, mostly when he was drinking, he told me how he and others in this elite military group would kill people,? said Griggs, as she mentioned name after high-powered name and story after-detailed story about sexual pervasion, murder, military hit squads, brainwashing and mind control, all activities sanctioned, participated in and condoned by a group of military and political elite.

?There were many other things and people he told me about which were startling, things I?ll tell you later. But George is like a robot, glazed eyes and all. While he drinks, he sort of comes alive. It is hard to explain unless you actually see him. He told me he was the No. 1 shooter for a long time for a group of powerful people at the top. If a guy is too honest, for example, they get rid of him.?

When asked how large an inside group it was and how she survived after going public with such damning information about so many high powered names, she added:

?I just keep myself and my story in the public eye. I am a descent, honest person who believes in telling the truth. I have a deep, abiding faith and trust in God. I also come from a strong-minded, strong-willed family and I am not afraid of generals and admirals.

?As far as the sheer numbers of people involved in this cap and gown, skull and bones secret society, it?s hard to say. But it is based on old friendships, college and prep school relationships, covering up secrets and sexual perversion.

?My husband told me about all the sexually perverted rituals, like anal and oral sex in coffins at drunken parties and running naked in the woods at Bohemian Grove. Then there was the last time I saw George was in 2001 and he was telling me to keep quiet, but I think he knows I will never stop telling the truth.?

During numerous drinking binges over many years, one of the main things that sticks out in Griggs? mind was how easily her husband rationalized killing small number of innocent people and how he was able to somehow justify the killings if it accomplished a strategic goal for the elite group involved.

?Who are these people?? Griggs repeated after being asked the same direct question. ?In general, they are first generation German sons, mostly who run things in the military through tight friendships made in Europe and at war colleges. Psyops is a controlling group and Paul Wolfowitz is a major player, as are the many Zionists on this side of the Atlantic.

?Truth is light. And these guys are anxious to collect the global power now in the few hands of their Freemasonic ( French Macons ) brotherhood's elite hands. It is a very, very small group and a rather homogenized group of global top down existentialist Zionists and socialists. In short Nazi?s who came to the U.S. when Hitler, their boy, turned on them in 1933.

Griggs said other recognizable names and major players she learned from her husband?s arrogant ramblings besides Wolfowitz and other nondescript military and civilian names, involved in what she called a Zionist global takeover, included Donald Rumsfeld, George H. Bush, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger and Andy Fine, to name a few.

?After what I learned from George about ?Rummy,? as he called him and idolized him and the others, is that they all operate from this secret little, sick society and are all basically cowards and bullies. And I don?t believe I should ever keep quiet about who they are because the only way we are going to change there behavior is to shed light on what they are doing and show how ludicrous , sick and inept their behavior really is.

?My husband George just idolized ?Rummy? and thinks he is just wonderful when basically he is nothing more than an in the closet-Nazi. Also, George liked to brag how he and Wolfowitz were down in Indonesia in the 1970s, down there training young assassins.

?After what I heard all those years and now putting it into prospective after 9/11, I think they are trying to destroy America. Their whole game is all about war, selling weapons and creating a militaristic society. I know first hand from listening to my husband, they will do anything ? I mean anything including murder ? to get what they want.?

Although Griggs said her husband never mentioned anything specific about 9/11 during their marriage, she claims he hinted several times that ?war-gaming and airplane crashes? were necessary elements to control and manipulate the American population.

Putting many of her husband?s comments together with other acquaintances made through him, she had this to say about 9/11:

?Before 9/11, there were some things which let me know that it was involved with war gaming going on at ACT Commands center in Suffolk. War games and diversions and manipulations of American public opinion he said are "necessary.? George explained some examples such as airplane "crashes" and the bombing by the Israeli Lebanese Bekka valley recruits who blew up the Marine Corps barracks. I believe my husband knew ahead of time 9/11 was going to occur.

?I know that there was a war game going on via Tampa, I think it was called Bright Star, which was being run on 9/11 by a weird and insecure USMC General who was in charge while the Army head was conveniently away in the Near East.

?I am sure 9-11 was a joint and combined military operation, using boys who were recruited via A.Q. Khan's Israeli network in Pakistan and South Africa through Zionists in Hamburg. I believe that certain MI6 British Zionists with the Ian Goodwin-Peter Goodwin-Basil Cardinal Hume Yorkshire network were also involved in funding and recruiting these guys. It was a large and ongoing operation to set up and involved lots of CIA Zionists and lots of funny money.?

The Early Years

Griggs grew up in the elite Virginia Southern class, the child of a Reserve Military family of Scottish and French Huguenot descent. Raised with strict Christian ideals, moral character, deep faith and impeccable ethics, she carried with her the headstrong outspoken nature of her father and the truth-seeking characteristics of her mother.

However, a victim of old Southern male chauvinism and backward traditions, she was married young in an arranged fashion to John Garland Pollard III, the wealthy grandson of a Virginia Governor, who lived off his inheritance in a typical aristocratic Southern-style plantation.

?Looking back it was just horrible and suffocating,? said Griggs, who after getting a divorce in 1983 went on to teach after getting a degree in history with a specialty in Virginia history and the Scottish Reformation.

After resettling in a Virginia Beach home and working as an Asst. Director of the Chamber of Commerce, she was about to meet a dashing Marine Colonel who would forever change the course and direction of her life.

Second Marriage To Col. Griggs After renting the main portion of her house to Col. Griggs, the couple dated for two months and were quickly married, a speedy decision the young bride would quickly learn to regret.

The story of the couple?s courtship is of little importance, but what happened afterwards regarding the colonel?s drunken ramblings takes center stage.

?He started drinking, did a lot of heavy drinking and at first I thought I could change him,? said Griggs, who listened closely over the years about her husband?s role as a military assassin and his role as a military trainer who brought new, young assassins into the fold. ?He started talking openly about murder, corruption, assassinations and lies. It was just incredible the names that were involved and the people who were being killed.

?He gave me very detailed and graphic descriptions about how Waco was carried out, as well as how many other hits went down, including Malcolm Kerr, the head of the American University in Beirut and Ron Brown, who was trying to take away the State Department?s monopoly on drug money and arms deals.

?My husband would get into these crazed stupors where he would be running around the house naked and there were times I would find him lying in the grass that way.

?I learned about how he was sexually molested by homosexual teachers at the elite Hun School, where a lot of the others in this small elite group also attended, including the members the Saudi Royal family. He told me how sex is used to control, intimidate and groom boys into this type of military service from a young age.

?He mentioned how many of The Brotherhood, as he liked to call them, are members of the ?Cap and Gown? Princeton group or the ?Skull and Bones? Yale crowd and how they performed sexually perverted induction ceremonies with anal and oral sex performed inside coffins.?

During the final two years of the marriage, Griggs said her husband basically disappeared. When she finally decided to blow the whistle on her husband?s activities and others surrounding him, she met privately with attorney and former CIA Director William Colby, seeking advice.

?I really thought I would get some help, but Colby was later found dead,? said Griggs about Colby whose body was found eight weeks after he disappeared on April, 27, 1996, while canoeing near his Rock Point, Maryland, vacation home.

?Then I started getting death threats, had my house burglarized, my car messed with and every time I would try to get the FBI or police to act, strangely nothing would be done. They would do things like steal my underwear, leave black dots on all my blouses and leave twelve screw drivers on my kitchen counter. They would do strange things like this, which if you think about it, is really hard to explain to the police without them thinking your are crazy.

?I later found out I was flagged by Marine General Al Gray, my husband?s boss who put the wheels in motion on much of the criminal activity. He flagged me as a trouble maker knowing I was a free thinker who was not about to keep quiet like all the other military wives who knew too much. Finally, I sought help from Sarah McClendon, who basically saved my life.?

After weathering the storm of harassment in Washington D.C., she was encouraged by friends to publicize her story nationally through the alternative media since major publications wouldn?t touch it with a ten foot pole. In 1998, she then met Pastor Strawcutter who believed in her and who basically told the same story Griggs is telling today but in much more detail.

Pastor Strawcutter?s 1998 Taped Interview

Besides running a ministry in Adrian, MI., Strawcutter?s main passion is truth-telling, his philosophy turning out to be a perfect match for Griggs when she finally contacted him one morning in 1998 as he broadcasted live during drive-time on his pirate FM radio station.

?I remember one morning getting this call during a commercial break and then we put Kay on live for about 45 minutes. I couldn?t believe what I was hearing,? said Strawcutter this week by telephone from his Michigan church. ?After the show, I arranged for Kay to come to Michigan with her documentation and photos of the story.?

When Griggs arrived with her husband?s diary and photos providing credible documentation for some of what she claimed, Strawcutter taped her story for over eight hours.

After the taping session, he recalls out of all the controversial stories he worked on, the Griggs story was one of the most troubling and difficult to deal due to the sensitive nature of the allegations and the number of high-ranking names involved.

Finally, after sitting on the story for a year, Strawcutter decided to release it in two forms, the first being a 2 hour edited video version of the interview which he distributed under the title of ?Sleeping With The Enemy? and the other being simply the longer unedited eight hour version.

And like Griggs recounted this week from her Virginia home, the Strawcutter tapes are even more detailed about how members of The Brotherhood operate in a world of treachery, deceit, lies, murder, drug running, sex slavery and illegal weapon sales, all in the name of forming a new world order.

?People need to know the truth about 9/11, Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing and, of course, what Kay Griggs is saying,? said Strawcutter, who for a long time on his FM station had been testing the waters of truth by broadcasting controversial stories, many coming from the likes of Michael Collins Piper and other American Free Press writers, an alternative paper that also delves into subjects taboo in the mainstream media.

?I basically believed she was telling the truth and decided to go with the story as she told it.?

Asked if he was ever harassed for bringing the Griggs tapes public, he added:

?No, not really. I never worry about things like that. But I do know after winning a landmark federal case to stay on the air in the 1990s, the feds came down real hard one me about three months after 9/11 with another legal challenge to my station which had become wildly successful, becoming the second top rated show in the county.?

Shortly, thereafter, Strawcutter was forced to take his brand of truth-telling radio of the air waves in the wake of legal roadblocks and challenges designed by the government to bankrupt his efforts.

Katharine ?Kay? Griggs Today

The head strong, truth telling woman who first provided America with her shocking story in 1996, is really no different today although she readily admits the government is still trying to ruin her financially and still monitors her closely.

Although still under the government microscope, her energy and curiosity remain strong as ever.

?With all that?s happening in the world, the time is right now for truth,? said Griggs. ?I think America can handle the truth now and I basically want people to know that my husband and the people involved with him are really nothing but cowards and bullies. But they are, at the same time, dangerous, evil people that must be stopped. I am not a vindictive person and I also am not seeking publicity. I simply want people to know the truth about how these people are trying to destroy this country.?

And still trying to ?connect the dots? in an attempt to expose The Brotherhood, she added:

?I'm in the midst of research on the headmistress of my Episcopal girls' school, St. Margaret?s, who spent years working with MI6 at Cheltenham!! This is Victor Rothschild?s group with 6 representing the six-sided star and MI5 being more Masonic but still not sure about all of this yet.?

Single and living in the same home she shared with her former military husband, Griggs still holds firm to her strong Christian beliefs, saying she will talk to anybody who is interested in listening since she firmly believes ?truth is light and only the truth will set you free.?

How To Listen To The Kay Griggs Tapes

There are three video versions of her story in distribution. The first is Pastor Strawcutter?s original two hour version called ?Sleeping With The Enemy? available at his web site at www.kaygriggsvideo.com.

The second is the raw, unedited eight hour version, Strawcutter saying rights being obtained by a third party and available at www.kaygriggstalks.com. And the third is a two-part video, taken from Strawcutter?s original interviews and edited by Eric Hufschmid located at www.hugequestions.com.
 

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Verifiable Media Facts on 911 Coverup

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Sep 10, 2001: President Bush begins taking the anthrax anti-dote Cipro.



pt1gard,
Me and the boys here at work were going over the timeline of events and of course that one really stood out. We're wondering what the source of the Bush/cipro timeline is.
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the video

the video

Kay Griggs, wife of colonel George Griggs, USMC (retired USMC Commandant): 29th Commandant of the Marine Corps, found her husband's diary, ... all ? which contains details of homosexual blackmail in the top ranks of the US Marine Corps and names leading politicians and military leaders. Kay Griggs's information about the US government also comes from observations and people she met. She exposes initiation rituals, the raping of young men and blackmail and murders to keep people quiet. Much of this, according to Griggs, is related to secret society activity and she names figures like Henry Kissinger and a string of other top government individuals.

give this a lil view, marine, tell me what is the truth ... its only 20 mins, there is a 8 hour version you might like more :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=85&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
 

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TT,

ive seen it in print and videos several times; asked some of my sources too, they said its a known fact ... if you google around you should be able to find it ... the entire white house etc went on it soon after too
 

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i know, i know... a desperate housewife evaded an attempt on her life by her husband and a group of highly trained assasins... how have been able to keep the world under control and knock of dozens of people in their way... but couldn't get rid of her somehow...

the entire military is gay, obviously. and zionist.
its even more secretive than the da vinci code.
 

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Kay Griggs, wife of colonel George Griggs, USMC (retired USMC Commandant)

Come on ptgard, show at least a LITTLE BIT of fact checking before you go cut and pasting this stuff. Col. George Griggs was absolutely never ever eeeeeeeeeeeever a Commandant of the Marine Corps.

do you even bother reading what you paste, or do you just type "9-11 conspiracy" into google and just go down the line?
 

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Here, I took the liberty to provide a list of USMC Commandants for you. I know you already know everything, so this is just a refresher for you.
These 33 United States Marine Corps leaders are listed below:

You'll note #29.

1 Samuel Nicholas 1775-1781
2 William W. Burrows 1798-1804
3 Franklin Wharton 1804-1818
4 Anthony Gale 1819-1820
5 Archibald Henderson 1820-1859
6 John Harris 1859-1864
7 Jacob Zeilin 1864-1876
8 Charles G. McCawley 1876-1891
9 Charles Heywood 1891-1903
10 George F. Elliott 1903-1910
11 William P. Biddle 1911-1914
12 George Barnett 1914-1920
13 John A. Lejeune 1920-1929
14 Wendell C. Neville 1929-1930
15 Ben H. Fuller 1930-1934
16 John H. Russell, Jr. 1934-1936
17 Thomas Holcomb 1936-1943
18 Alexander A. Vandegrift 1944-1947
19 Clifton B. Cates 1948-1951
20 Lemuel C. Shepherd, Jr. 1952-1955
21 Randolph M. Pate 1956-1959
22 David M. Shoup 1960-1963
23 Wallace M. Greene, Jr. 1964-1967
24 Leonard F. Chapman, Jr. 1968-1971
25 Robert E. Cushman, Jr. 1972-1975
26 Louis H. Wilson, Jr. 1975-1979
27 Robert H. Barrow 1979-1983
28 Paul X. "PX" Kelley 1983-1987
29 Alfred M. Gray, Jr. 1987-1991
30 Carl E. Mundy, Jr. 1991-1995
31 Charles C. Krulak 1995-1999
32 James L. Jones, Jr. 1999--2003
33 Michael W. Hagee 2003--2006
34 James T. Conway 2006--
 

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so what about the content, why hasnt she been sued? seems shes legit to me, graduated great college masters in history, seems totally believable and down to earth???
 

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pt1gard,

I found this article from 2002, that one states Sept 11 instead of Sept 10. The taking of the anthrax antidote on Sept 11 with all else going on that day looks bad enough BUT if it was Sept 10 that really looks bad.



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Judicial Watch, which also has sued for documents about Vice President Cheney's energy task force, represents U.S. postal workers at the Brentwood post office in the District. Two workers from Brentwood died of inhalation anthrax before officials closed the site, which had handled anthrax-laden letters headed to Capitol Hill.

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