a quick poll--need some input
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There were no Arabs aboard flight 77 as claimed by Bush. Without Arabs, you have no hijackers. Without a highjack, why would the three American pilots all suicide unless Bush had threatened their families? The only other explanation is the planes were flown by wire. In other words, either way, 9/11 was an inside job. The key to Bush?s conspiracy theory, the Arab highjacking, is a total fabrication. His whole lie comes unravelled just from the passenger and autopsy lists alone.
Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole?s advisor and lead attorney in the 9/11 victims case says he has both documentary evidence and sworn testimony that Cheny and Bush ordered the 9/11 attack.
All of Bush?s cabinet met with Mahmoud, the bankroller of 9/11, in the week prior to 9/11.
No planes scrambled to intercept the hijackers. This is standard procedure. Normally a plane would be in the air within four minutes. Just prior to 9/11 Cheney inserted himself in the highjack command loop. He is the one who ordered them to stand down.
There were all manner of war games in progress on 9/11 some simulating a 9/11 style attack. This deflected most of the airforce out west. It further confused air traffic controllers who had to deal with insertions (fake planes for the war games on their radars). No body was really sure if the attacks were real or part of the game. No cave-dwelling terrorists could have arranged so convenient a distraction. The Pentagon publicly admitted this many times, including when Representative Cynthia McKinney grilled Donald Rumsfeld on C-Span 2005-03-24. transcript.
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and then they enlist Cynthia McKinney to grill Donald about 911.
She had Rosey O'Donnell on the line helping her with what questions to ask him.
Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole?s advisor and lead attorney in the 9/11 victims case says he has both documentary evidence and sworn testimony that Cheny and Bush ordered the 9/11 attack.
All of Bush?s cabinet met with Mahmoud, the bankroller of 9/11, in the week prior to 9/11.
No planes scrambled to intercept the hijackers. This is standard procedure. Normally a plane would be in the air within four minutes. Just prior to 9/11 Cheney inserted himself in the highjack command loop. He is the one who ordered them to stand down.
There were all manner of war games in progress on 9/11 some simulating a 9/11 style attack. This deflected most of the airforce out west. It further confused air traffic controllers who had to deal with insertions (fake planes for the war games on their radars). No body was really sure if the attacks were real or part of the game. No cave-dwelling terrorists could have arranged so convenient a distraction. The Pentagon publicly admitted this many times, including when Representative Cynthia McKinney grilled Donald Rumsfeld on C-Span 2005-03-24. transcript.
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and then they enlist Cynthia McKinney to grill Donald about 911.
She had Rosey O'Donnell on the line helping her with what questions to ask him.
if you plan to post another picture of Fried Chicken.. please find a better photo without green peas in it...:00hour
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another believer on tin foil heads side.
I think this picture was taken right before she coldcocked a police officer as she entered a fed
building and he didnt recogize.
not sure why all the people that support ptgourd and agent are nutbuckets
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Listen , I believe in all the 911 conspiracy theorys provided by pt1gard. Only thing is my
brain is the size of a fawking pea. I am stupider
than even Agent
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Pt1gard - Agent , dont you think maybe we have gone a little bit overboard in this thread ?
Agent - Yeh Pt1gard , I feel like they are winning now. My spirit has been broken. I know you are having a hard time putting your debate in words. I think maybe these guys are just too smart for us.
Maybe we should just surrender. /
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Do you smell that marine ? Do you smell that?
Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
You know, one time we were in a debate with the tin foil head 911 conspiracy believers.
When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' Agent or pt1gourd body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole thread .
It smelled like... victory.
KOD
Scott........you need to quit making this so easy......I hope all americans are not as stupid and lazy in their research.....
Evidence that the alleged cell-phone calls never showed up on the (deceased) callers' phone bills:
"A few weeks following 9/11, I was reading The New York Times and found a small one pargraph article stating the publisher was receiving calls from the families of the people on the planes who reportededly made calls home on their cell phones. When they reviewed their loved ones bills they discovered the calls were not reported on the phone bills or credit cards."
This remark was posted 8/18/06 by a "Bronwin Peel," at this link:
http://www.teambio.org/2006/08/where-were-you-when-you-started-to-doubt-the-official-911-story/
The strange case of the 9/11 cell phone calls
Finally, I called a friend who works for Jet Blue in New York City as a flight attendant. I asked her if she had ever used her cell phone aboard a flight. "Sure" she said, "but not in the air". I asked her why not. "Well, first of all, it's against the rules. It interferes with the plane's electronics." So I asked her if she turned her phone off to avoid getting calls during flights. "No, we don't have to do that. The phone loses the signal automatically right after we take off. There's no signal, so it won't ring anyway until we land."
http://gatorpress.com/badsam/page5.html
'Project Achilles' - Final Report and Summary of Findings
by A. K. Dewdney - 19th April 2003
During the early months of the year 2003, the author conducted three experiments to determine whether and how well cellphones could be operated from aircraft. The first flight (Part One) was essentially a probe of the experimental situation, to acquire some primary data and to work out a simple, readily implemented protocol. The results of Part Two (Diamond Katana 4-seater) have already appeared in these pages. The results of Part Three (Cessna 172- appear immediately below.
http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm
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More Holes in the Official Story: The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
by Michel Chossudovsky - 10 August 2004
The Report conveys the impression that cell phone ground-to-air communication from high altitude was of reasonably good quality, and that there was no major impediment or obstruction in wireless transmission.
Some of the conversations were with onboard air phones, which contrary to the cell phones provide for good quality transmission. The report does not draw a clear demarcation between the two types of calls.
More significantly, what this carefully drafted script fails to mention is that, given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet:
"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground ( http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm
Expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry casts serious doubt on "the findings" of the 9/11 Commission. According to Alexa Graf, a spokesman of AT&T, commenting in the immediate wake of the 9/11 attacks:
"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude" ( http://wirelessreview.com/ar/wireless_final_contact/ )
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
For better or worse, airliner cell phones are on the way
Joe Sharkey, New York Times October 18, 2004
For those who must make phone calls in flight and don't want to sell the second car to finance them, help is on the way.....
After years of uncertainty based mostly on fears that in-flight cell phone use might interfere with electronic navigational systems on airplanes, but partly on concerns about the demands wide-ranging airborne cell phone calls would place on multiple land-based systems, the kinks are being slowly worked out. The airplane and the personal cell phone are about to link up.
www.startribune.com/stories/789/5031311.html
More Holes in the Official Story: The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
by Michel Chossudovsky - 10 August 2004
The Report conveys the impression that cell phone ground-to-air communication from high altitude was of reasonably good quality, and that there was no major impediment or obstruction in wireless transmission.
Some of the conversations were with onboard air phones, which contrary to the cell phones provide for good quality transmission. The report does not draw a clear demarcation between the two types of calls.
More significantly, what this carefully drafted script fails to mention is that, given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet:
"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground ( http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm
Expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry casts serious doubt on "the findings" of the 9/11 Commission. According to Alexa Graf, a spokesman of AT&T, commenting in the immediate wake of the 9/11 attacks:
"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude" ( http://wirelessreview.com/ar/wireless_final_contact/ )
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
For better or worse, airliner cell phones are on the way
Joe Sharkey, New York Times October 18, 2004
For those who must make phone calls in flight and don't want to sell the second car to finance them, help is on the way.....
After years of uncertainty based mostly on fears that in-flight cell phone use might interfere with electronic navigational systems on airplanes, but partly on concerns about the demands wide-ranging airborne cell phone calls would place on multiple land-based systems, the kinks are being slowly worked out. The airplane and the personal cell phone are about to link up.
www.startribune.com/stories/789/5031311.html
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Agent - Listen gregg, I think I am going to have to quit this debate thread.
Pt1gard - Quit, quit, wtf are you talking about.
Agent - well its beginning to affect my personal life.
Pt1gard - huh
Agent - Yeh I cry all the time, they are making me doubt myself and my beliefs. My Doctor is considering putting me on heroin.
Pt1gard - Look, here hit the crack pipe and lets talk about this.
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I think its a crock of hooey. Cell phones would work depending on the altitude.
And anyway it has not been proven that the in flight phones were not used. Why not trace the in flight phone call records ?
I dont like posting links and thousands of pages of sources.
we are in a public debate here mav.
If you cant step up to the plate , just go sit on the fawking bench like a little bitch with Agent.
pt1gard is so close to admitting defeat. He is breaking like he was fawking waterboarded.
Soon he will admit to loving his goverment and standing up and saluting the american flag again.
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jabberhead
its the ostrich talking , not me you dipstick.
get with the program or be a little beech the rest of your life.
holy christmas you guys are dumber than
a christamas turkey going to slaughter.
"get with the program or be a little beech the rest of your life"
I am sorry to say that you are a dumb ass redneck. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you and and gomer are idiots.
I am sorry to say that you are a dumb ass redneck. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you and and gomer are idiots.
good job, mav,
i have listened to many interviews with dewdney, hes a very bright man, for sure ... he conducted his own cell phone experiments proving cell phones calls at the alleged heights or anywhere near 20,000' of them were hoaxes...
the moussaoui trial proved the olson calls were faked, it was admitted by the feds in a court of law ... funny how the mainstream media doesnt publish it as usual ... what else needs to be said, they are proving the "conspiracy" is all by the neo-conned gov. ... the lapdogs never ever touch that one bc its irrefutable proof the 9/11 official story is hogwash :00hour
ps why cant they ever release these calls? we saw the zapruder film a billion times ... maybe the same reason the pentagon wont release their cameras? nothing happened in either event ... at one time the phone calls were supposed to be played at princeton by one of flight 93s surviving moms, and Vyzygoth talked to 2of the reporters who were supposed to have heard them, in a huff they admitted they were never played that day, but the lie was spread thru the press .... I asked Vyz about this less than a month ago on the phone, he confirmed it.
i have listened to many interviews with dewdney, hes a very bright man, for sure ... he conducted his own cell phone experiments proving cell phones calls at the alleged heights or anywhere near 20,000' of them were hoaxes...
the moussaoui trial proved the olson calls were faked, it was admitted by the feds in a court of law ... funny how the mainstream media doesnt publish it as usual ... what else needs to be said, they are proving the "conspiracy" is all by the neo-conned gov. ... the lapdogs never ever touch that one bc its irrefutable proof the 9/11 official story is hogwash :00hour
ps why cant they ever release these calls? we saw the zapruder film a billion times ... maybe the same reason the pentagon wont release their cameras? nothing happened in either event ... at one time the phone calls were supposed to be played at princeton by one of flight 93s surviving moms, and Vyzygoth talked to 2of the reporters who were supposed to have heard them, in a huff they admitted they were never played that day, but the lie was spread thru the press .... I asked Vyz about this less than a month ago on the phone, he confirmed it.
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Yeh I am sure its been proven Olsons husband lied about the phone calls. How could he live with himself.
Attorney - Did you or did you not talk to your wife on that fatefull day of 911 ?
Mr Olson... I , I , I , sobs
Attorney - Well spit it out man, was she on a cell phone or the in flight phone ?
Mr Olson - she was..... sobs
Attorney - tell us, tell the court the truth.
what did she say to you ? what were her last words .....
Mr Olson - she said to tell the children she loved them and would always watch over them... sobs sobs sobs.......
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How can you live with yourself with your lies and perpetuating fraud.
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I am not a redneck.
I am a pragmatist.
you , agent, ptgourd are Dogmatic people .
look it up jabberhead. maybe you will learn something afterall.
Didnt you graduate from high school.
Geez these debates are easier and easier.
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