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word is flight 77 flew right over the freeway overpass .... thats the official story that fdc and others parrotted ... well, lets take a look at how jet engines running at 500 mph might disturb a vehicle ... there were no reported traffic accidents as flight 77 flew over head, or at least the reported flight 77 ;)
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more reaching.

word is :142smilie

we thought you said flight 77 did not hit anything.
it was the A3 warrior planes.

a plane flying over a freeway very easily could not disturb any cars if the jet stream was at the proper angle. You make is sound like there was no way it couldnt have.

Geez Louise.

I got to go hurl this early in the morning.
 

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They're at it again!

They're at it again!

Chance of asteroid hit on Mars increases By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer
Fri Dec 28, 6:38 PM ET

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LOS ANGELES - The chance of a football field-sized asteroid plowing into Mars next month has been increased to 4 percent, scientists said Friday after analyzing archival data.

Though still a long shot, some researchers are hoping for a cosmic smash.

"I think it'll be cool," said Don Yeomans, who heads the Near-Earth Object Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Usually when an asteroid is headed toward Earth, I'm not rooting for an impact."

The space rock, known as the nondescript 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November by the NASA-funded Catalina Sky Survey in Arizona. Based on the latest information available, scientists said last week there was a 1-in-75 chance the asteroid could hit Mars on Jan. 30.

The odds were increased to 1-in-25 this week after a Ph.D. student pored through the archives and plotted the asteroid's motions before its official discovery. The new information allowed scientists to improve their calculations of the asteroid's orbit and flight path.

Scientists will continue to monitor the asteroid to better predict the possibility of a Martian impact. Yeomans said he expects the odds to decrease with new observations gathered early next year.

The likelihood of an asteroid hit usually "peaks before plummeting to zero with additional data," he said.

The asteroid poses no threat to Earth and is closing in on the Red Planet at 27,900 mph.

Should a collision occur, it would likely blast a half-mile-wide crater north of where the rover Opportunity has been exploring since 2004.

The impact could release energy similar to the 1908 Tunguska object that exploded over remote central Siberia and wiped out 60 million trees.
 

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thanx mr sammo ... 4:45 into that film shows the pod for all the ones naive to the pod anomaly ... maybe judge might comment on it :00hour ...

The pod is nonexistent and is just a normal part of the plane called the "fairing". Funny, all of the shots of the pods are low resolution junk. A lot of truthers have dismissed this whole pod theory, and there is infighting with the truthers over this going on now. Search for that; it's easy to find. In fact, one of the conspiracy sites, http://www.oilempire.us/pod.html probably has the best pictures around to debunk 'pods'. Pretty comical to refute a basic truther claim using the work of another truther. Let's hear it, Gregg! Anyway, I did give you some more fodder with the oilempire website if you didn't already have it. His basic assertions are that we are in a "peak oil" war and that all of these events on 911 were related to stockpiling/controlling the earthly supply of oil. His claims are mostly bs as well, but he does a great job refuting his truther brethren. here's some pictures...

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I think it'll be cool," said Don Yeomans, who heads the Near-Earth Object Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Usually when an asteroid is headed toward Earth, I'm not rooting for an impact

:0corn :mj07: :jerkit:

I'm sure Dr Yeomans is an extremely intelligent guy. Here's the latest bio......

Bio: At the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Don Yeomans is a Senior Research Scientist, Supervisor for the Solar System Dynamics Group, and Manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office. He was the Radio Science Team Chief for the Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) mission and currently he is the US Project Scientist for the Japanese Hayabusa asteroid sample return mission. His research work is focused upon the physical and dynamical modeling of comets and asteroids. For the Deep Impact mission, he will be responsible for optimizing the ephemeris of comet Tempel 1 and helping to develop the targeting strategy. Don has received 15 NASA Achievement awards including an Exceptional Service Medal and a Space Act Award. Asteroid 2956 was named 2956 YEOMANS to honor his professional achievements.


But are you fawking kidding? "....usually I'm not rooting for an impact....." but this time, words cannot express my excitement. Lets hope it shifts Mars' orbit so I can put that new calculator I got for XMas to work!!!

:mj22: ............hopefully. Happy '08:SIB
 

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The Martians aren't coming

British UFO-spotting clubs may have to close because of a lack of sightings.

Have the little green men really stopped visiting, or do we earthlings just have bigger things to worry about?

Stephen Moss The Guardian, Thursday August 11 2005

It may only be a small, translucent green gleam on the horizon, but there are signs of a crisis in UFO-spotting. Chris Parr, coordinator of the Cumbrian branch of the British UFO Hunters, sent a shiver through the hearts of ufologists with his announcement this week that his group may be forced to wind up. There don't seem to be any UFOs in Cumbria any more.

Or maybe there just aren't any spotters. Parr's statement seemed to leave both possibilities open. "In Cumbria we have gone from 60 UFO sightings in 2003 to 40 in 2004 and none at all this year. It means that the number of people keeping their eyes on the skies is greatly diminished. We are a dying breed in this part of the country. I put it down to the end of The X Files, a lack of military exercises in the area that would produce UFO sightings, and a lack of strange phenomena." A lack of strange phenomena or a shortage of strange people? Take your pick.
 

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there ya go IO, fall in line with 6'5 and others posting on topic things and actually researching 9/11 and gov. sponsored false flags ... if you really werent trying to be cute, you wouldve started your own thread on the meteor or i.e. barry sanders type items ... thanks for being so mature :)

i expect it out of kosar and his ilk, your lack of judgement must make you proud :00hour
 

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Lets take a count

rational sane people

me
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sixfive
marine
IO
Judge
Jabberwocky
gardenweasal


tin foil heads

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agent
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Its almost over but the crying.
 

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Facing Our Fascist State

By Don Paul

David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital?. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it?. Rockefeller sits at the hub of a vast network of financiers, industrialists, and politicians whose reach encircles the globe?. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and just another day's work.

? Bill Moyers in Bill Moyers Journal, "The World of David Rockefeller," first broadcast in April 1980

The West thinks in terms of bringing advance and opportunity to such a place. In actuality, we bring a cultural bankruptcy which will last for many years. The Asmat, like every other corner of the world, is being sucked into a world economy and a world culture which insists on economic plenty as a primary ideal.

? Michael Rockefeller, age 22, third son of then-governor Nelson Rockefeller, writing in a letter to his family from his studies among the Kurelu and Papaguan peoples of New Guinea, just before his sudden death in 1961


The Buildings and Their Victims
I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building.

? Louie Caachioli, New York Fire Department, about the WTC's South Tower, People Weekly 9/24/01

It also may end up being a good investment. In the end, Mr. Silverstein may wind up controlling 11 million square feet of attractive, lower-rise modern space instead of 11 million square feet of 30-year-old space in New York's tallest and most conspicuous buildings.

? Real Estate Journal 1l/5/01


1. 2. 7 - All Fall Down

Here the going becomes most disturbing to me.

Here the horrors that facts suggest become most difficult for normal, compassionate people to imagine, I think.

In examining the World Trade Center Buildings that fell on September 11 - Buildings 1 and 2, the WTC's Twin Towers; Building 7, the 47 stories of offices completed by Silverstein Properties in 1986 - and in examining how they fell, we must at least register as individuals the thousands of people who died on the WTC site that day. We must enter into their experience if we're to gather what happened. We must look at who died and who did not.

I wrote earlier that the WTC North and South Towers COULD NOT have fallen due to the causes (primary among these causes: fire so hot it deformed steel) that Corporate Government and Media stories have presented for the Towers' "'pancake'" collapse.

You likely remember the depiction-cum-explanation that Networks and newspapers repeated soon after ""'9/11.'"

It went like this. As the 767s struck their targets - AA 11 driving into the North Tower's 90th floor and UA 175 hitting the South Tower toward one corner around the 80th floor - each airliner exploded. The ensuing flames of jet fuel created a white-hot inferno inside each l10-story building. Fire blasted up and down elevator shafts.

Fire's increasing, unprecedented heat then turned to "licorice" the structural steel beams and columns that stood as core and outer and lateral supports of the Towers.

Thus weakened, the steel supports buckled, carrying concrete down with them. One floor of each Tower fell into the next below. Then both fell through the next floor below.

Then the three floors And so all of each Tower's floors collapsed in a "pancake effect" of terrible, increasing impact. Each Tower's 100,000 tons of concrete, steel, plastic, wiring, and marble dropped like an unpleating facade or straight-down Slinky, their weight pulverizing into their foundations.

The British Broadcasting Company story of September 13 is typical of this immediate depiction/explanation.

It's titled "How the World Trade Center Fell."

The BBC quotes "structural engineer" Chris Wise: '"It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other."'

Another BBC-quoted expert then echoes Chris Wise. "The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agrees that nothing could have saved them from the inferno. 'The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it,' he said.

'But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons (91,000 litres) of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire.'"

So there you have it. Two experts say two days after "'9/11'" that the Towers' beams and columns did more than buckle - their structural steel '"melted."'

How hot must steel be heated in order to melt?

Steel is 99% iron. According to chemicalelements.com, temperatures of at least 2,795.0 degrees Fahrenheit are needed to "melt" iron. Even hotter temperatures would be needed to "melt" the more fire-resistant structural steel of the WTC Towers.

How hot, then, must steel be made in order for it to soften and warp toward producing the "'pancake collapse'" that Networks and newspapers have described? Temperatures of 1,022 degrees F. are needed to begin to deform structural steel. As to the steel in the WTC Towers, a report from the University of Sydney's Department of Civil Engineering in Australia says: "Fireproofed steel is rated to resist 1,500 to 1,600? F."

The basic question then becomes: How hot can fire from jet fuel make structural steel?

Corus Construction is a maker of car-parks in Europe. In order to be sure its structures could withstand collapse from multiple gas tanks exploding into flames inside a car-park, Corus tested steel against fires from kerosene. (Jet fuel and kerosene are interchangeably alike in their capacities for fueling and burning.)

Corus exposed steel to fire from kerosene over periods as long as one hour in "Full scale fire tests" in the United States, United Kingdom, Japan, and Australia. The highest temperatures these tests registered were 644 degrees Fahrenheit for beams (Australia) and 680 degrees F. for columns (United Kingdom).

The tests show us more exactly why the Towers COULD NOT have collapsed due to jet-fuel's fire.

Several other facts counter Corporate media's widespread depiction/explanation of the "'pancake collapse.'"

*The South Tower was hit second and hit obliquely by the Boeing 767 that was United Airlines 175. Much of that airliner's half-full load of fuel ignited outside the building,

The South Tower consequently suffered far less fire within its structures.

And yet the South Tower fell in almost half the time after impact (53 minutes: 9:05 EDT to 9:58 EDT) as the North (101 minutes: 8:46 EDT to 10:29 EDT).

If fire's deforming steel was the cause of the two buildings' collapse, the North Tower should have fallen first and in less time.

*Each Tower should have tilted sideways if its fall were undirected. In particular the South Tower - hit around its 80th floor, about 10 stories lower than the North Tower - should have toppled toward the corner where it was hit.

If they'd toppled sideways the Towers - each almost ?-mile tall - would have ruined much surrounding real estate. The Towers' collapse within their foundations - per a perfect demolition - saved billions of dollars of property from devastation.

*Networks' coverage of both burning Towers that morning shows the smoke of fires turning from white to gray to darker shades as minutes pass.

Such a change in the smoke of a fire indicates that the fire is cooling, producing more carbon, because it's exhausting oxygen.

So: We see that the Towers' structural steel was cooling, contracting less heat, at the time when each collapsed.
 

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Networks' coverage of both burning Towers that morning shows the smoke of fires turning from white to gray to darker shades as minutes pass.

Such a change in the smoke of a fire indicates that the fire is cooling, producing more carbon, because it's exhausting oxygen.

So: We see that the Towers' structural steel was cooling, contracting less heat, at the time when each collapsed.
Without question, this is the silliest conclusion that I have seen in this entire thread.
 

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ok thats your opinion on that ... now lets get to the flight 175 pod and nose cone flash question you ducked :)


post 1377 is your waterloo, and you know it :00hour
 
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Pot 1377 is a joke, just like every other post from you here.

National majority you say? get real.
when you take the poll on a website labeled www.dipsh*tsfortruth.com of course you are going to get a bigger percentage with the theory.
Find something more productive to do with yourself to contribute to society.



http://911review.com/errors/phantom/st_plane.html
There is no credible evidence that what crashed into the South Tower on 9/11/01 was anything other than Flight 175. The jet was seen by hundreds of people and recorded by scores of cameras as it flew over the Hudson River, approaching the World Trade Center from the southwest, and careened into the South Tower, erupting into a spectacular fireball. But ideas that something entirely different occurred have been a staple of some 9/11 skeptics since at least the middle of 2003, and have been promoted to much greater visibility in 2004. These ideas are so numerous and shifting that a full accounting of them would be next to impossible. We examine only the more prominent and recurrent ideas here.

Two of the more polished campaigns to promote the above ideas in 2004 are the letsroll911.org website and the In Plane Site video. Both promote a very similar set of assertions about the South Tower plane.

The Pod Menagerie
Of the many ideas based on seeming peculiarities in the photographic evidence of the South Tower crash, the idea that the plane had a bulge and/or attachments to its fuselage and/or wings foreign to a 767 airliner has enjoyed the greatest publicity and popularity. We name this page for this idea, that some kind of pod or pods were attached to the plane.

The Pregnant Plane
The pregnant plane idea holds that belly the South Tower plane had a peculiar bulge, and therefore was not Flight 175. The originators of this idea apparently relied on their audience being so gullible that they would not bother to look at the underside of modern commercial jetliner, since the entire idea ignores a feature common to all large modern jetliners: the wing fairings that surround the structure that unifies the wings and fuselage and houses the landing gear. This idea was apparently seeded with The mysterious reflections of 9/11, an article published in Spanish in LA VANGUARDIA on June 6, 2003. Here the authors suggest both the pregnant plane and the later-popularized cylinder-mounted plane ideas:

They consist of two long shapes located underneath the fuselage, one towards the bow and the other towards the stern of the plane. There is a third, seemingly pyramidal in shape, on the underbelly, almost in the center of the plane.

The article claims that "aeronautical engineers at official Spanish" used "contour-detection digital analysis", and then discloses that they relied on an ignorant characterization of the geometry of airliners such as 767s:

given that the fuselage of commercial airplanes is cylindrical and flat, according to the cited technical report.



The Cylinder-Mounted Plane
The cylinder-mounted plane idea is based on an imaginative misinterpretation of a specular reflection of the sun by the shiny dark underside of the South Tower plane's fuselage. This idea is promoted with great specificity in 911review.org, which has precisely characterized the object as:

a 20m. long cylinder about 30 cm. in diameter.

Looking at the underbellies of 767-like jetliners, such as the 777 to the right, in a variety of different lighting conditions, reveals a simple explanation for the broken streak seen in the featured video frame of the South Tower plane: The plane was reflecting the sunlight off its fuselage in a specular reflection interrupted by the shape of the wing fairings.

We use the pod-plane moniker as a designation for both the pregnant plane and cylinder-mounted plane ideas, as well as similar ones, all of which are frequently associated with the missile-firing idea.

The Missile-Firing Plane
The idea that the plane (or hologram!) that flew into the South Tower fired a missile just before impact is a common element of all of the "pod-plane" ideas. The pod, be it a bulge or cylinder, is the supposed source of the supposed missile, fired just before impact.

A bright spot that appears on various images seemingly at the point of impact is cited as evidence of the missile strike. However, there are other explanations for the bright spots, such as specular reflections of pieces of the fracturing plane, or electrostatic effects of the collision.

The Hologram and/or Video Plane
The hologram plane idea holds that the approach of the aircraft was faked through the use of an aerial hologram. The video plane idea holds that there was no plane but that images of a plane were edited into the videos that allegedly captured the event, and then broadcast on 9/11/01. The video and hologram ideas can be used together -- when pressed on the far-fetched idea of a hologram that can be projected in the air and seen in broad daylight from many different perspectives, the theorist can shift to a position of "pure video", and the insistence that no one actually saw the approach of a plane preceding the South Tower fireball.



The Windowless Plane
The windowless plane idea holds that, since the plane's windows aren't visible in the grainy silhouettes of the plane in the videos, it must not have windows, and therefore must be a cargo or tanker version of a 767.

This idea arises, as do nearly all the ideas here, from a failure to appreciate the fact that details disappear as resolution decreases. The windows on the taxiing UU 767 to the right are barely visible even at several times the resolution of the South Tower videos.

Reviews
Apparently, the first document to debunk the various pod-plane and related ideas was that of Mark Hungerford, in 911wideopen.com.

Later, on September 9, 2004, Eric Salter published an article that illustrates exactly how the lighting and shapes of the aircraft can account for all of the imagined appearances of the alleged pods and missiles.

e x c e r p t
title: Analysis of Flight 175 'Pod' and related claims
authors: Eric Salter, with contributions by Brian Salter

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The 767 wing fairing vs. the "pod"
The fuselage bulges out where the wings join it. This is called the wing fairing. The landing gear assembly folds into this area when it is retracted, which is seems to be a problem if the alleged pod is a missile launcher:
As is clear in comparing the photos above, under the right lighting conditions the wing fairing can look more pronounced. Notice how the reflected sunlight (specular highlight) on the right side of the plane in the center photograph changes from the fuselage to the fairing. This will be important later.

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Conclusion
As it stands, the presence of a pod cannot be absolutely proven or disproven given the low quality of the visual record. The only evidence presented so far for it's existence is that in several low quality images it looks like there is a pod there. The pod advocates, who overwhelmingly bear the burden of proof, have not systematically proven that it could not have been an optical illusion. There is more than sufficient reason to conclude that the alleged pod is most likely the result of the play of light on the body of the 767 around its normal wing fairing, especially because this hypothesis holds up the best with the better quality images: the CNN footage, the Taylor photo and the new black and white photo of the underside of flight 175. So the question is, even if one still graciously allows for the remote theoretical possibility of a "pod" given the limitations of the visual record, should this be something that the 9/11 community embraces and presents to the public? Absolutely not, in my opinion, given the evidence we've seen so far. I'm not ideologically opposed to radical arguments like this, but if they're to be promoted they should be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. The pod advocates haven't come anywhere close to that.
 

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ok thats your opinion on that ... now lets get to the flight 175 pod and nose cone flash question you ducked :)


post 1377 is your waterloo, and you know it :00hour

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Looks like we are going to have to call
marine , Napolean ......

nice work there.

they are defeated.
 

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zogby 19 months ago

zogby 19 months ago

NEW ZOGBY POLL REVEALS OVER 70 MILLION VOTING AGE AMERICANS DISTRUST OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY AND SUPPORT NEW INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE US GOVERNMENT ROLE IN THE ATTACKS.*


(Utica, NY) - Although the Bush administration continues to exploit September 11 to justify domestic spying, unprecedented spending and a permanent state of war, a new Zogby poll reveals that less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.

The poll is the first scientific survey of Americans' belief in a 9/11 cover up or the need to investigate possible US government complicity, and was commissioned to inform deliberations at the June 2-4 "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago. Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2006. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

According to Janice Matthews, executive director of 911truth.org, "To those who have followed the mounting evidence for US government involvement in 9/11, these results are both heartening and frankly quite amazing, given the mainstream media's ongoing refusal to cover the most critical questions of that day. Our August 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers showed nearly half believe certain US officials 'consciously' allowed the attacks to happen and 66% want a fresh investigation, but these were people closest to the tragedy and most familiar with facts refuting the official account. This revelation that so many millions nationwide now also recognize a 9/11 cover up and the need for a new inquiry should be a wake up call for all 2006 political candidates hoping to turn this country around. We think it also indicates Americans are awakening to the larger pattern of deceit that led us into Constitutional twilight and endless war, and that our independent media may have finally come of age."

Poll co-author, W. David Kubiak concurs, saying: "Despite years of relentless media promotion, whitewash and 9/11 Commission propaganda, the official 9/11 story still can't even muster 50% popular support. Since this myth has been the administration's primary source of political and war-making power, this level of distrust has revolutionary implications for everyone working for peace, justice and civil liberties. If we ever hope to reclaim this country, end aggression and restore international respect, we all must finally scrutinize that day when things started to go so terribly wrong. The media and movement leaders ignore this call at their peril, because tens of millions are clearly telling us here they are ready for 9/11 truth."

SCOPE: The poll covered five related areas: 1) Iraq - do Americans think the Bush administration exploited 9/11 to attack Iraq? (44% do, 44% don't); 2) Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their official story? (only 48% said no); 3) The collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media---were respondents aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% knew about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated); 4) new investigation of official complicity - do respondents think we need one? (only 48% said no); and 5) mass media - how do people rate its performance, including its coverage of alternative 9/11 theories, unanswered questions and inquiry issues? (43% rate it positively, 55% negatively).

(The poll sponsors see knowledge of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 as a bellwether issue, because if people do not know this elementary fact, they have probably not been exposed to any independent 9/11 research at all. Since only 52% of respondents had ever heard of this collapse and 45% support a reinvestigation, it may be reasonably inferred that a public fully informed of all the unreported 9/11 facts might support a new investigation by a margin of 80% or more.)


SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and answer the hundreds of still unresolved questions concerning 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11 Commission. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as their "road map," these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability, specifically raising the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). The Commission ultimately ignored 80% of these issues, however, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive questions remain unaddressed to this day.



How would you rate the US media's performance regarding 9/11, including their coverage of victim families' unanswered questions, theories that challenged the official account, and how the attacks were investigated?


Good
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Fair
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Positive
43%

Poor
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Negative
55 :00hour

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as more and more people learn the facts about 9/11 each day this poll will only climb in truth seekers ala the JFK lies .... europe laughs at our ignorance on the subject :)
 
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ps why isnt anyone tackling the post 1377 questions? you are in retreat again judgy? simple answer is all i want, it will prove you wrong no matter how you answer but thats the beauty of not studying the subject and not having the truth on your side :)
 

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ps why isnt anyone tackling the post 1377 questions? you are in retreat again judgy? simple answer is all i want, it will prove you wrong no matter how you answer but thats the beauty of not studying the subject and not having the truth on your side :)

pudding for brains,

People 'not trusting' the original investigation does not equate to the majority of america believing it was an inside job.

how you draw that conclusion is well... stupifying.
But, given your past "connecting of the dots" it falls right in line with your agenda.

Post 1377.

Did I not just put up something that addresses the "pod" under the plane? and I even got it from a "truther" website.

You'd make a good seamstress with your spinning ability.
 

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please address the supposed live cnn footage with pod, nose cone flash, and lack of 19 rector building? anyone?:00hour


if anyone can w/o resulting to ad hominem id love to see it .... :142smilie


and please as you all decry me, in your on words... if you didnt see a pod in the cnn coverage just step up and say so ... if you didnt see a flash of nose cone, please say so ... if you see the 37 story 19 rector bldg. at the treeline, please state that :)
 
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ps why isnt anyone tackling the post 1377 questions? you are in retreat again judgy?
Post #1377? Are you freaking kidding me? Please understand that I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through 95% of the crap that has been posted in this thread. Additionally, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from talking down to me like you do with practically everyone who disagrees with you. I have remained civil and polite throughout any discussions that we have had on this subject and I expect you to do the same.

However, I do have something that I would like to see your comments on.

For all of those that insist that the WTC towers were brought down by implosions, please watch the video in the link below. Pay special attention to the sounds of numerous explosions that occur well before the building begins to move at all and then to the clearly visible fireball that comes out of the lowest floors of the building. In order for a building to be safely brought down in this manner, the lower floors must collapse first. The blast at the base is then followed by numerous explosions that progress upward through the structure which are clearly visible.

Nothing in this video even remotely resembles the collapses of the WTC towers.

Building Implosion Video
 

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Here are three more videos of the implosion of another building. Again, note the series of explosions heard long before the building begins to collapse.

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3

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Electric current begins the detonation of 13,375 ft. of cord, linked to 1624 detonators and 372 pounds of dynamite.



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10 Seconds
Primary explosive charges begin to detonate. As the southeast part of the building fails, it creates a natural pull on the rest of the structure.


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12 Seconds
The detonation sequence ripples toward the building's far corner, where columns simply crack--acting as a hinge to pull the last walls inward.


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16 Seconds
The rush of air escaping from the structure as it pancakes, floor by floor, creates a dust cloud that boils up from the base of the building.



By the way, this is what the preperation for the implosion looked like:

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