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The ACLU may be the only organization that will save this country. I don't expect the porch light to be on with most of you but, name another organization the follows the constitution of the US more closely than that group. I know this is beyond the grasp of most of you but no other organization in this country protects individual freedoms and the laws upon which this country was founded better than the ACLU. Hell, given the last 8 years of the Cheney Administration, you would think this concept would dawn on a few of you.

-Eddie

Nothing like condecending attitude from attorney who has to attend meetings because he can't figure a 50/50 proposition :kiss:

Now if you hate boyscouts--
-want no religion in schools unless your muslim then foot basins and prayer rooms are in order-
-or a bonfide member of code pinkies
-or think child porn is protected under constitutiion (defenders of Nabla)
send your donations in and tell em eddie sent ya. :)
 
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Eddie Haskell

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Ferd:

I'm glad that you acknowledge at least some of the good the ACLU does. It takes on controversial issues many of which there will be honest disagreement.

For example the 2nd amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The late great Charlton Heston and his progeny in the NRA basically read the latter part of the amendment without taking into account the first part. They always, ad nauseum, talk about the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Solid arguements can be made that this interpretation is taken out of context. The founders drafted this amendment in the context of the security of the nation. It is talking about the right of the people to keep and bear arms in that context not necessarily the free sale of guns without restriction.

As many of you have used the argument that the founders would be turning over in their respective graves if they saw how the 1st amendment (freedom of speech, assembly and religion) has been interpreted in today's society, I offer you the same argument regarding the 2nd amendment.

In 2005, there were nearly 31,000 deaths by gun in the US. This number does not include the tens of thousands of other crimes (rape, robbery, felonious assault, etc.) where guns are used. Do you think the founders intended this result when they drafted this amendment.

I suggest not. Accordingly, laws subject to interpretation must account for the times we live in. All I am suggesting to my gun right advocates is that I believe restrictions (strong) which include background checks, age, psychiatric approval, financial status, types of firearm, etc must be obtained before a gun is sold.

Way to many of these things around. Just had a 5 year old accidently shoot and kill himself here in Cincinnati last week. We must do more to insure that irresponsible and dangerous people are not able to buy guns.

I know, I know, I know.....guns don't kill people, people kill people. However, not all people kill people. This kids father should never have been allowed to own a gun. Penalties for illegal gun possesion must be stongly and strickly enforced.

Now that you are all brighter, I have to go back to work.

Eddie

(Now Eddie looks through the piles of files scattered all around the floor of his office mumbling to himself "Where is that class action file I've been working on Jones v. Smith & Wesson".)
 
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Prime example of asshole liberal lawyer attitude

The ACLU may be the only organization that will save this country. I don't expect the porch light to be on with most of you but, name another organization the follows the constitution of the US more closely than that group. I know this is beyond the grasp of most of you but no other organization in this country protects individual freedoms and the laws upon which this country was founded better than the ACLU. Hell, given the last 8 years of the Cheney Administration, you would think this concept would dawn on a few of you.

Eddie

Well presented and has merit. I know it goes against your persona here but we need more of these types of posts.

Ferd:

I'm glad that you acknowledge at least some of the good the ACLU does. It takes on controversial issues many of which there will be honest disagreement.

For example the 2nd amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The late great Charlton Heston and his progeny in the NRA basically read the latter part of the amendment without taking into account the first part. They always, ad nauseum, talk about the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Solid arguements can be made that this interpretation is taken out of context. The founders drafted this amendment in the context of the security of the nation. It is talking about the right of the people to keep and bear arms in that context not necessarily the free sale of guns without restriction.

As many of you have used the argument that the founders would be turning over in their respective graves if they saw how the 1st amendment (freedom of speech, assembly and religion) has been interpreted in today's society, I offer you the same argument regarding the 2nd amendment.

In 2005, there were nearly 31,000 deaths by gun in the US. This number does not include the tens of thousands of other crimes (rape, robbery, felonious assault, etc.) where guns are used. Do you think the founders intended this result when they drafted this amendment.

I suggest not. Accordingly, laws subject to interpretation must account for the times we live in. All I am suggesting to my gun right advocates is that I believe restrictions (strong) which include background checks, age, psychiatric approval, financial status, types of firearm, etc must be obtained before a gun is sold.

Way to many of these things around. Just had a 5 year old accidently shoot and kill himself here in Cincinnati last week. We must do more to insure that irresponsible and dangerous people are not able to buy guns.

I know, I know, I know.....guns don't kill people, people kill people. However, not all people kill people. This kids father should never have been allowed to own a gun. Penalties for illegal gun possesion must be stongly and strickly enforced.

Now that you are all brighter, I have to go back to work.

Eddie

(Now Eddie looks through the piles of files scattered all around the floor of his office mumbling to himself "Where is that class action file I've been working on Jones v. Smith & Wesson".) :mj07:

I agree the aclu has done some good things, but at the end of the day their views determine how they interpret the constitution and that view is different than half the other people in America. Dont want to turn this into a 2nd amendment hi-jack but if you value human life that much and would like to bring statistics and death into ithe argument then I will be happy to get you the numbers for deaths involving alchohol, auto's, motorcycles, etc.
 
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I think both the first two amendments have been well bastardized from their original intent. Sucks, but that's what we live in.

My understanding (shaky ground at best) of the 2nd Amendment's intent was more surrounding the militia formation so that citizens may protect themselves from the government and unwarranted seizures.

One thing that I am always thankful for is that I am not a lawyer. Too many rabbit holes to meander down. My simpleton brain would be in a constant state of severe pain.

I just wish there was more common sense from both sides involved.

Pertaining to this thread, covering that cross up is fucking insane. Anyone who supports the reasoning for this is probably someone I would not have a good personal relationship with because our personal makeup is too different.

On that same note with a local example. People here in Nashville who support the "guns in bars" movement are people who I would not enjoy repeated socializing with. Our viewpoints are just not the same.
 

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My bulldogish internet friend:

The difference between deaths by alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles and death by guns is that alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles are basic requirements in this society whereas guns are not. We must drink and drive in this country.

Eddie
 

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My bulldogish internet friend:

The difference between deaths by alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles and death by guns is that alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles are basic requirements in this society whereas guns are not. We must drink and drive in this country.

Eddie

True.

I think all have their place. But pairing any of the two is dangerous: automobiles, guns, alcohol.

We certainly don't need laws encouraging dumbasses to mix any of them.
 

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Best stuff on aclu comes from their own website

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<!--EmailHead End--><!--EmailDesc Start//WASHINGTON – In response to news reports that the FBI has initiated an investigation into whether the community group ACORN has committed voter fraud in its voter registration drive, the American Civil Liberties Union urges the government to stop engaging in partisan probes that could cast a chilling effect on voter participation. The Department of Justice should focus instead on the true threat to the elections this November – the widespread possibility that millions of voters could be disfranchised through voter suppression schemes such as unlawful purging and racially motivated voter intimidation.//EmailDesc End--><!-- end breadcrumbs --><!--PrintThis Start--><!-- placeholder table replace with content --><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD><!--EmailTitle Start-->FBI ACORN Investigation Could Have Chilling Effect On Election<!--EmailTitle End--> (10/17/2008)

ACLU Says DOJ Should Protect Voting Rights, Not Suppress Them
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CONTACT: (202) 675-2312; media@dcaclu.org
WASHINGTON ? In response to news reports that the FBI has initiated an investigation into whether the community group ACORN has committed voter fraud in its voter registration drive, the American Civil Liberties Union urges the government to stop engaging in partisan probes that could cast a chilling effect on voter participation. The Department of Justice should focus instead on the true threat to the elections this November ? the widespread possibility that millions of voters could be disfranchised through voter suppression schemes such as unlawful purging and racially motivated voter intimidation.
?The ACLU and other civil rights groups have repeatedly warned Justice Department officials that high-profile, partisan voter fraud investigations before Election Day have a chilling effect on voter turnout,? said Deborah J. Vagins, ACLU Legislative Counsel. ?Despite this feedback, the Department of Justice and the FBI continue with these highly publicized and partisan efforts prior to this historic election rather than stopping unlawful behavior in states all over the country where eligible voters are being improperly purged from the rolls.?
During a September 8, 2008, meeting with the ACLU and other civil rights groups, Attorney General Michael Mukasey called the smooth running of this election his highest priority. The ACLU urged him to live up to this commitment. Instead, it appears that the government is pouring resources into actions that encourage voter suppression.
ACORN?s voter registration drive has helped over 1.3 million low-income people, minorities and young voters register to vote. While there have been imperfections in the program, reports indicate that ACORN itself ?flagged? suspicious forms for election officials? review, but biased election officials improperly publicized them as instances of voter fraud.
Furthermore, fraud perpetuated against ACORN by workers submitting erroneous registration forms at the end of the day does not translate into voter fraud at the polls. Recent research shows that individual instances of in-person voter fraud are extremely rare and pose no significant threat to the integrity of elections.
?Election officials should concentrate their limited resources on expanding access to the ballot and banning true threats to federal elections,? added Vagins. ?Mickey Mouse is not coming to an election booth near you. However, the over one million new and young voters registered by ACORN may think twice before casting a ballot. And if voters do show up only to find they have been improperly purged from the rolls, the tragedy will be that DOJ did not enforce the laws that could have prevented that.?
The ACLU has been on the front lines to protect voting rights through its litigation challenging voter suppression throughout the country and through its legislative and advocacy efforts. For more information, see www.votingrights.org.
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My bulldogish internet friend:

The difference between deaths by alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles and death by guns is that alcohol, automobiles and motorcycles are basic requirements in this society whereas guns are not. We must drink and drive in this country.

Eddie

So alcohol is a basic requirement in the U.S. Good counter:rolleyes:
 
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