Ahnod Declines To Stop Williams Execution

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Personally, very happy to see this. I advocate overturning some death-row sentences upon review of specific cases that can be revisited thanks to DNA testing which proves innocence after the fact, but this guy should NOT get off because he "made amends." I'd imagine there are a lot of murderers that would write some books and say the right things if it would mean springing them afterwards.

This scumbag has caused immeasurable pain and destruction due to his actions. And I'm sure there will be a violent reaction from those with nothing better to do with their lives, which is also very wrong.

In my opinion, the celebrities and politicians that advocated this were terribly in the wrong. What about the rights of the four people he murdered? Their families? The countless people who's lives were destroyed thanks to the gang he created over the years? The drugs? Does a few books make amends to them?

Good decision, Arnold.

SAN FRANCISCO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger refused Monday to spare the life of Stanley Tookie Williams, the founder of the murderous Crips gang who awaited execution after midnight in a case that stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of redemption on death row.

Schwarzenegger was not swayed by pleas from Hollywood stars and petitions from more than 50,000 people who said that Williams had made amends during more than two decades in prison by writing a memoir and a series of children's books about the dangers of gangs.

With a reprieve from the federal courts considered unlikely, Williams, 51, was set to die by injection at San Quentin State Prison early Tuesday for murdering four people in two 1979 holdups.
 

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Agree. Definitely the right decision. Man am I sick of all these protesters whining about how this 4 time murderer should be spared. Hopefully after all the riots overnight calm down, we will be spared any more 'Tookie' coverage.

If I see Mike Farrell being interviewed one more time, i'm going to smash the TV screen.
 

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Holy Shit Kosar and I agree on something. I bet since Jesse Jackson was on Williams side he will turn this racial. the whole if this had been a white person his life would be spared, and if the black citizens of California want to be treated equally with the whites they will need to vote in a black governor. Just like he said if white people where in trouble when Katrina hit New Orleans the president would of rushed in and done all he could. Then finish up with this is just like in the days of slavery white folk haveing all the say over black folks.

So Jesse let me axe you a question where do you come up with all this BS from anyway.
 

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Didn't see any choice--when you have 9th district court turn it down on appeals you know your case is weak. He's been on death row 20 years + if they can't come up with reason for pardon in that time why expect gov to in a week.--and model prisoner--don't think so, almost 4 of those years were spent in solitary for crimes committed inside. I expect Jessie/Ncaap to ralley troops and torch a few neighborhoods in next couple of days.
 

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kosar said:
If I see Mike Farrell being interviewed one more time, i'm going to smash the TV screen.

What is he saying because I didn't hear much about this case until a couple of days ago?
 

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What is he saying because I didn't hear much about this case until a couple of days ago?

This guy has been on one station or another with a new interview for the last two weeks. He keeps saying that it's very likely that 'Tookie' is innocent and that to execute him may be executing an innocent man. There is soooo much fuvking evidence against him. NOBODY, not even the ultra-left groups try to make that case that he's innocent.

Farrell hardly, if at all, mentions the very modestly valid argument of 'Tookie' denouncing gang life(but not the Crips specifically of course) and writing kids books. His thing is that 'Tookie' very well might be innocent.

More broadly, his argument is that the death penalty is wrong. Fine, but this gem 'Tookie' was heard by credible witnesses several times mocking the sounds that one of his victims made as he was dying.

RIP asshole.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
I expect Jessie/Ncaap to ralley troops and torch a few neighborhoods in next couple of days.


I don't know if it will be Jesse leading the charge, but we can definitely expect riots tonight/early tomorrow morning.

Only in America can there be riots for rightfully executing a 4 time murderer who founded one of the 2 most murderous street gangs in history.
 

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Riots????

Riots????

In reality what are the odds of riots???? I heard Arnold was being threatened that this might happen. Probably just pissed him off. I think anyone with anyone with any since can see this is different than the rodney king incident, which was not an excuse, but I can see the other side on that.
 
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I dunno, Steve, but they reported that there have already been multiple specific threats. Hopefully it doesn't happen.
 

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Many in Kalifornia believed that Arnold would grant clemency. He has made a strong turn to the left since taking office. Now everybody is pissed off at him. Thank God he didn't - Oops, we aren't supposed to mention God in Kalifornia.

I think the rioting notion is mostly threats from the nut cases supporting Williams despite all the evidence. I have not heard that much worry about it in LA and hope it doesn't happen.
 

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LUX said:
What is he saying because I didn't hear much about this case until a couple of days ago?

Farrell was just on with Rita Cosby live from San Quentin. Said he and Desmond Tutu, for Christs sake, sent Arnold a letter that pleaded that if 'Tookie' is executed 'the world will have lost a peacemaker.'

I now have one less TV.
 

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funny how this guy is being pushed for a Nobel Peach Prize

actually, with most of their selections over the last few decades, its not really a reach
 

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funny how this guy is being pushed for a Nobel Peach Prize

actually, with most of their selections over the last few decades, its not really a reach

I guess he's been nominated for 5 Nobel Peace prizes, but I also recently saw that any professor from anywhere can nominate anybody for any reason.

Some 'expert' said all 5 came from various staunch anti-death penalty people. That's probably right.
 

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he and yassar arafat have been nominated for the peace prize. i wonder what the true hero's who have received the peace prize think about that.
 

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kosar said:
This guy has been on one station or another with a new interview for the last two weeks. He keeps saying that it's very likely that 'Tookie' is innocent and that to execute him may be executing an innocent man. There is soooo much fuvking evidence against him. NOBODY, not even the ultra-left groups try to make that case that he's innocent.

Farrell hardly, if at all, mentions the very modestly valid argument of 'Tookie' denouncing gang life(but not the Crips specifically of course) and writing kids books. His thing is that 'Tookie' very well might be innocent.

More broadly, his argument is that the death penalty is wrong. Fine, but this gem 'Tookie' was heard by credible witnesses several times mocking the sounds that one of his victims made as he was dying.

RIP asshole.

Thanks Kosar, I haven't watched much TV lately, which is probably a good thing if this was the kind of crap that was on. IMO, He needed to pay for his crimes, thats all there is to it, regardless of what he did behind bars. I don't think the people he killed got the extra time he did. Well, it's over now and justice was served. I'm curious to see what's going to happen in South LA.
 

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First he was only caught on 4 murders, bet he had way more he was in on and 2nd he was responable for lot of deaths just because he was one of the main leaders of the gang when they started, and the best 3rd which know one has talked about I know this as fact from brother-in law who works for fbi and has eor 23 years took off 2 years and went back last spring, williams had 2 major dr's disaplinery reports against him 1 in march of 1999 and the 2nd in dec of 1999 both for assult which put both people in infermory 1 guy for over 3 months and was on a vent for 1.5 months, so that was 2 volient acts in last 5.5 to 6 years and had 5 minor write ups last one was april of 2001 for verbal abuse of a leo who came in to talk to him.

So this guy was changed right to many people who 1 could give 2 shits about inner city kids just trying to get names in the fish wrap russel crow he go back to your own country you such a good role modle bet he spends lot of time helping kids in south central along with the rest of the big names, and the others have no life, air america, cnn listing and watching people who can't think for themself it is all the way slanted to their party for the most part same as you have wack job republicans who are all the way to their party on everything. To much lsd from the mid 50's and 60's.

Air **** you america was having kill christmas save tookie all day yesterday.

hell even had a late file sent to aronald at 10:52 pm last night and that is why the media was held out the 17 who were choose to veiw till 11:58 , any other time they would get in 30 mins before the start time yookie was not brought out till 4 after 12 because of this then had a 17 min delat in trying to get a iv to thread in his left arm. so he had 1 more appeal that many do not even know about, I was watching it all live on tv. and got story from 2 reporters who were in there and both said the same thing. Then the 3 ladies who yelled CA just killed a innocent man as they got up to walk out could of been held right there cuffed and taken into county to be charged that was a major Vialation of the law not just in CA but all death states when your in the room, very strick gudlines, but they let them walk out and they were removed from the prison grounds.
 

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alot of talk about legacies..


the legacy everyone talks about is the legacy of his children`s books...and his conversion to oppose gang violence....and his nobel nomination....i believe that joseph stalin was nominated......murder obviously isn`t an exclusion...



his real legacy(if he murdered those people) is that he changed two familiy`s lives forever....those people aren`t coming back...and they didn`t have to be murdered...the robberies weren`t shoot-outs...they were executions plain and simple...and were actually hate crimes,if you believe the witnesses....

his real legacy is as co-founder of the crips....responsible for untold grief,murder and mayhem in the black community and beyond for decades....a legacy of keeping elderly blacks in inner city communities to afraid to set foot outside their front doors...

god knows how much murder and mayhem he`s responsible for....by proxy...

he got his clemency.....if he`s truly guilty....he got 25 years of clemency...he got numerous appeals...from some of the most liberal courts in the country....

justice delayed is justice denied....

that said...given our judicial system,i wouldn`t bet MY life on his guilt or innocence...
 

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fletcher said:
Air **** you america was having kill christmas save tookie all day yesterday.

Can you be more specific on how "Air America" was promoting "Save Tookie" yesterday? I didn't listen to much Air America yesterday, but I did listen to one show late in the day for about an hour while driving and heard no mention of the situation.

Not saying it didn't happen, just curious which hosts were promoting his clemency on air?
 

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they were on cnn 3 different people talking about it all day was ran 3 times , cn has had on people from there the last 4 days over this and yesterday they had 3 main people, so they had to be talking about it on the am guys show from 6-9 he was the most voicing off all about how christmas is useless and some one saying merry christmas is like me telling them happy birth day on my or his birth day, that was only reason i have watched cnn from thur till yesterday because new they were going to have them as guest. Like i said they are old writters for snl or half ass comics who did to much lsd and are way to bleeding heart for me, they love to have fats on michale moore, only one i could listen to would berandy rohades least she has her own mind not a clone, but can't even get it in vegas market so i read and grab it off feed from another way, i have seen there little hbo show it was ok but just not my kind of talk show i try and use my own brain just like michael saveage is to far on his side for me, i love talk radio but i want real talk and as close to even as you can be but not many shows about like that either side for most parts are like i said their way or your wrong. I can handle rush some but not much either. would rather listen to stern over any of them and that is said. i do like anderson coopers show on cnn i must admit, and can handle bits and pieces of all shows and form my own veiw but if you listen to it first how old are you just wondering are you either born in or grow up in the late mid to late 60's early 70's with the lsd flying and not a cut down or are you a young 22-30 listner seemd that is who they want from the bits i get every so often i would listen everyday if i could for a hour like i do rush, saveage and shawn hannity, have a great show local hiddie harris from 6 till 9 out here very big following. like i said if i had a way to listen to show everyday i would listen to one person, never franken **** he is a dork like moore and use to like gannee garoffo spelling is all messed up no spell check today. but that is how i heard it going on since last thurs and mon they got into it on cnn about the christmas is all wrong and people offend others with christmas in the US.

Hey i respect everyones reglion and won't really talk about that, because I don't even go to church anymore I pray and talk to god and others and read my bible every day have my on special realitonship you don't have to be a bible thumper to have a relationship with god or jesus , but relgion has nothing to do with going to church to me anymore. I am was cathlioc and have major issues with them. and changed to different churches when was 18 baptish not southern eaither but after i started to hit the road never found many i like saw many rich people at one of if not the biggest church in the us in ft.lauderdale went there for about 3 months and these so called elders of high statue were there on sundays and out at strip clubs and 3 big time members were caught in the cathy willets case, she was the nepho who's husband was a bso deputy when i worked for bso in between coaching jobs and he would film his wife having sex with all theses bigtime power people in this church in lauderdale and even attorneys, and eople on ft.lauderdale city councel and tamarac as well as corl spring officles and all were big time church and community leaders, i do go to a non denomanational church here and in pittsburgh, and go to mass when i am home on christmas and palm sundy ash wen good friday and that is about it for cathloic part of me, i have major issues with them.

If someone does not like christmas tough shit, i respeck them and say happy what ever they believe but don't give me this christmas shit from a dump like air america or any one far as you can go bleeding till your out of blood say way with people on the other side who are all big corp crooks I have my middle ground and think for myself but for christmas I have the right to do what i want same as jewish people, musliums, blacks in queansa (sp) I don't knock them. So why should i be knocked and if you choose not to have any faith that is your right but find that very hard who every you are. I hate only a few things and mean hate, 1 skin heads or raciest and 2nd people who have fun making fun of physical challenged people or mentealy challenged that is realyy number 1 in my book and i will bitch slap anyone who does that I have worked special olympics since i was 16 and only have missed 2 year a few years back when i had all the operations on my leg in 16 months. and 3rd people who tell me what and how i should think be it fed far left far right, I have a mind and i can use it.

so covered a few things other then just air america which i think is a joke they are so far to their side they have no blood left they look like a cold piece of chicken all pale and pinkish white that you see on ice in the super market. and that is IMO you have yours and that is fine but don't tell me you can't have christmas stuff up in public places and when people destroy other people christmas stuff like i wrote about then your a sick person and these 3 couples caught early today would fit right in with air amreica.

hey it is ok to have black history month and all black schools, not picking on anyone that is black just making a point, but you can't have all white history month in school it is against fed law and can't have white colleges or schools which i think is stupid anyway but if you have black history month then you should be able to have christmas stuff say the pledge to the flag i did all they way up till hs and i grew up in grade school in pittsburgh, jsut don't like extrem groups of any side. look down under they talk about the us a lot, well seems they have tons of skin heads and so does england, so it is just not the US but we will take the blane because of groups like air america which i bet won't make it 2 more years.

so what was your growing up age the lsd mid 60's ealry 70's or the 21-30 age now if either just would like to know if you fit their profile to whothey want and not a knock just wondering, and if you tell me where i can catch it i will give it a shot for 1 month with open mind if i can hear it everyday and tell you what i think of it.

i am lost with out spell check to lazy to reread and fix mistakes by looking up proper spelling nor have the time.

take care will look for your reply later have to run out and like i said nothing personal against you this is how i am, hell i don't trust feds i am more state rights first type person, fed do what they want and could care less about you or me even if we are both as far to our side as could be which i am more in the middle only reason i have a party is if indepenent can't vote in local things that do effect my life not some fed bull shit, like yuca mt. yes we want everyones nuclar waste just ship it right through vegas and henderson where we paid a very sizable price for where we live and could get 160 more then what we paid but if feds get their way we won't even get true value of our house in whittney ranch.
 
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