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Al Gore
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Pompous ASS, pass the GREY POUPON.
TIA JMHO FWIW
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On one side we have the world community of scientists and climatologists and their collective body of research.
On the other side we have opinions offered by Sarah Palin, Dogs and Skulnik.
Any questions?
opcorn2
And, right on cue, Skulnutz retreats behind slogans and name calling, since he never understands the issue.
My question was not whether conservatives think global warming is a farce - you've all made that quite clear, some that have a clue, some that don't. I'm not even saying that specific global warming is the important issue - where I leave the warming constituency, I guess. My point is, I think we have to be realistic on the admitted (by all sides) affects man has had on our planet - which by most accounts are not good. You even agree with that, I think.
The POINT is, why shouldn't man - or at least Americans, who have done - BY FAR - the most destruction to our planet take steps to correct those problems? We only have one planet to live on (that we know of now) and we should be better stewards of our planet. If there was a smokestack pouring out smoke out behind your house you sure as Hell would care. If there was a factory close to you pouring waste into the river that part of your water comes from you sure as Hell would care. My point is, as Americans, we should try to minimize our impact on the environment and our citizens with pollution, chemicals, emissions, etc. No, we can't control nature's effects on itself - that's not a sensible point, IMO. We can, though, work on what we CAN control. And since our country is the worst offender, or at least it has been since the industrial age here kicked in, we should have more responsibility.
There is irrefutable evidence by many scientists that show credible information about problems man has caused on this planet. To say ALL of that evidence is irrelevant or farcical just is not realistic or fair, IMO. Are there segments and scientists that want to profit from the new concern? Sure - just like in any sector of science. But to disregard the entire group and all of its evidence is in a word (IMO), stupid.
To answer your question, I have no real opinion, as I have not studied the ramifications of each. I guess, since things seem to work pretty well in our country the way they have for years from a temperature standpoint I'd pick the least variance number, but that's a simplistic view not based on any science - I'm no scientist. Or, to put it more simply, I'd rather have the cooling in the summer and warming in the winter, I guess.
I have seen some pretty credible stories (in my novice view) that show that general warming causes many problems, including increased snowfall in the winters. This year's small sample would seem to back that up, but it's silly to draw from such a small sample - despite what a few around here always do when it gets cold somewhere.
Get off your HIGH HORSE, you just think you know, you have an OPINION like everyone else.
TIA
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And, right on cue, Skulnutz retreats behind slogans and name calling, since he never understands the issue.
moon1
Sulfur emissions 'mask' global warmingPublished: July 6, 2011 at 3:12 PM
BEIJING, July 6 (UPI) -- The cooling effect of sulfur emissions resulting from China's massive rise in coal-fired power stations has served to mask the impact of global warming during the last 10 years, a new study indicates.
While the last decade was the hottest on record, global average surface temperatures have held steady, a detail cited by climate-change skeptics as a reason for denying the existence of man-made global warming.
But the new analysis, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, says this leveling of temperatures can be explained by sulfate particles released into the atmosphere from coal-burning power stations, which has the effect of reflecting sunlight and heat away from the Earth.
The impact of the sulfur emissions, along with the sun entering a less intense part of its 11-year cycle and the peaking of the El Nino climate warming phenomenon, the researchers say, has kept global average surface temperatures artificially low.
Coal consumption in China more than doubled from 2003-07, accounting for 77 percent of the increase in coal use worldwide, the study reports. During that period, it says, global sulfur emissions increased 26 percent.
"The rapid growth of the Chinese economy over the past decade and the amount of coal they used to fuel it has tended to cool the climate, which offset to some extent the warming effect of carbon dioxide emissions," Robert Kaufmann of Boston University, who led the study, was quoted as saying by Britain's The Independent newspaper.
But a change in the sun's 11-year cycle, along with initiatives to refine China's coal boilers that would lower sulfur emissions, could cause global average surface temperatures to rise significantly.
Piers Forster, professor of climate change from the United Kingdom's Leeds University, who led the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change chapter that analyzed factors affecting global temperatures, said the new study was "interesting and worthwhile."
"The masking of CO2-induced global warming by short-term sulfur emissions is well known. It's believed that the flattening off of global mean temperatures in the 1950s was due to European and U.S. coal burning, and just such a mechanism could be operating today from Chinese coal," he told BBC News.
Forster warned that any masking of the impact of global warming would be short lived, and the increased CO2 from coal-fired plants would remain in the atmosphere for many decades and "dominate" the long-term warming warning over the next decades.
BEIJING, July 6 (UPI) -- The cooling effect of sulfur emissions resulting from China's massive rise in coal-fired power stations has served to mask the impact of global warming during the last 10 years, a new study indicates.
While the last decade was the hottest on record, global average surface temperatures have held steady, a detail cited by climate-change skeptics as a reason for denying the existence of man-made global warming.
But the new analysis, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, says this leveling of temperatures can be explained by sulfate particles released into the atmosphere from coal-burning power stations, which has the effect of reflecting sunlight and heat away from the Earth.
The impact of the sulfur emissions, along with the sun entering a less intense part of its 11-year cycle and the peaking of the El Nino climate warming phenomenon, the researchers say, has kept global average surface temperatures artificially low.
Coal consumption in China more than doubled from 2003-07, accounting for 77 percent of the increase in coal use worldwide, the study reports. During that period, it says, global sulfur emissions increased 26 percent.
"The rapid growth of the Chinese economy over the past decade and the amount of coal they used to fuel it has tended to cool the climate, which offset to some extent the warming effect of carbon dioxide emissions," Robert Kaufmann of Boston University, who led the study, was quoted as saying by Britain's The Independent newspaper.
But a change in the sun's 11-year cycle, along with initiatives to refine China's coal boilers that would lower sulfur emissions, could cause global average surface temperatures to rise significantly.
Piers Forster, professor of climate change from the United Kingdom's Leeds University, who led the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change chapter that analyzed factors affecting global temperatures, said the new study was "interesting and worthwhile."
"The masking of CO2-induced global warming by short-term sulfur emissions is well known. It's believed that the flattening off of global mean temperatures in the 1950s was due to European and U.S. coal burning, and just such a mechanism could be operating today from Chinese coal," he told BBC News.
Forster warned that any masking of the impact of global warming would be short lived, and the increased CO2 from coal-fired plants would remain in the atmosphere for many decades and "dominate" the long-term warming warning over the next decades.
Al Gore needs the money, Keep the Global Warming SCAM alive, it's called CLIMATE CHANGE, maybe ACORN can change their name and keep doing their fraudulent activities.
JMHO
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JMHO
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It's nice having the weather out of the news over the past couple of years.
Remember way back in 2003 when no one knew what a Tsunami was
Remember way back in 2003 when no one knew what a Tsunami was
