Al Qaeda Strongest since 9/11
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but the Dow was up about 300 and nasdq about 50 today and I have to do a little hedging as I'll prob be away from computer tomorrow--you keep searching those liberal blogs--and keep those pessimistic vibes flowin
So, what's the weather like in outer space? I honestly don't know why I read your posts.
Smurph --wasn't gloating just saying I got better things to do than look at some comic book generic chart with no footnotes or sources where data was construed--fact is he's too embarrassed to even put up site where he got info--as I've asked twice--
On the recruiting issue--I would not argue the point they are recruiting hard -- especially in light of all those lost--if I had my druthers they get all prospects recruited in one day and send em all to iraq where we could work on them some more.
Just read where bulk of house voted (all Dems)to get out by spring--wonder if they failed to se Al-Zarchawi 90 minute tape last week where he reiterated what UBL said in his last tape--thay they were on recruiting goal for Iraq which they said was # 1 priority---
Don't you ever wonder how AQ's #1 goal is to win in Iraq--and Dems #1 goal is to let them??
I will say I was not to happy with Iraqi gov progress report and agree with several moderates from both parties --would like to see our troops take a more supportive role and less patroling--but believe I remarked on that a couple of years ago.
GW--on your --dtb..bottom line.......the left is INVESTED in our defeat in iraq......how else will they win in 2008?....
While the left always like to say they are for the troops ect--they always have a tell tale sign that exposes them---anytime you have miltary situation where you sign treaty or with draw troops -Vietnam and currently Iraq--the relish using the the erroneous term -defeat-lost ect
--and the kicker is they are always the ones advocating/responsible for retreat.
Liberal Logic at its finest.
On the recruiting issue--I would not argue the point they are recruiting hard -- especially in light of all those lost--if I had my druthers they get all prospects recruited in one day and send em all to iraq where we could work on them some more.
Just read where bulk of house voted (all Dems)to get out by spring--wonder if they failed to se Al-Zarchawi 90 minute tape last week where he reiterated what UBL said in his last tape--thay they were on recruiting goal for Iraq which they said was # 1 priority---
Don't you ever wonder how AQ's #1 goal is to win in Iraq--and Dems #1 goal is to let them??
I will say I was not to happy with Iraqi gov progress report and agree with several moderates from both parties --would like to see our troops take a more supportive role and less patroling--but believe I remarked on that a couple of years ago.
GW--on your --dtb..bottom line.......the left is INVESTED in our defeat in iraq......how else will they win in 2008?....
While the left always like to say they are for the troops ect--they always have a tell tale sign that exposes them---anytime you have miltary situation where you sign treaty or with draw troops -Vietnam and currently Iraq--the relish using the the erroneous term -defeat-lost ect
--and the kicker is they are always the ones advocating/responsible for retreat.
Liberal Logic at its finest.
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If nobody else answers this question, I'll be more than happy to step in. Let me know.
The weak case simply gets weaker. We go into Iraq, weakening our ability to fight the war on terror. Virtually, the only people that win from this are multi-national corporations that have ties to the administration, and those wealthy enough to invest in war and energy-related stocks. There are others - contractors, free agent former soldiers, those kind of individuals, that have benefitted financially.
The US invades Iraq, the country is in complete disarray with NO SIGNS of realistic, measured improvement or meeting goals of self-independence. We lose thousands of soldiers, billions (nearly trillions now) in real money value, and now supposedly can't leave because what is going on now will be much worse than before we invaded, and we will be considered losers.
Nice job, Adminny. :dizzy:
Wayne, if you could stop your frenzied Al-Jazeera bookmarking for a moment, jabberwocky told you where he got the chart and where it was subsequently referenced. So, you can stop with that line of "incrimination." Seems you can ignore/disregard/demean published reports just as well as your dismissive President these days.
Kosar and Smurph have on-point, excellent responses in this thread. They, of course, comfortably live in the real world and don't have to spend every thread trying to rationalize the failed political maneuverings of this a administration, though, so it is easier to explain reasonable thought.
This elective war remains the benchmark of this administration. It fully explains the secretive, sinister, financial reward-seeking nature of the people involved in it and the people who ensured that they got into power and remained in power.
They continue to attempt to evade any responsibility and abiding by many of the laws and framework of this country. The time has come to hold them fully accountable, and take them down. Yes, I am fully done giving these people the remotest benefit of the doubt.
The US invades Iraq, the country is in complete disarray with NO SIGNS of realistic, measured improvement or meeting goals of self-independence. We lose thousands of soldiers, billions (nearly trillions now) in real money value, and now supposedly can't leave because what is going on now will be much worse than before we invaded, and we will be considered losers.
Nice job, Adminny. :dizzy:
Wayne, if you could stop your frenzied Al-Jazeera bookmarking for a moment, jabberwocky told you where he got the chart and where it was subsequently referenced. So, you can stop with that line of "incrimination." Seems you can ignore/disregard/demean published reports just as well as your dismissive President these days.
Kosar and Smurph have on-point, excellent responses in this thread. They, of course, comfortably live in the real world and don't have to spend every thread trying to rationalize the failed political maneuverings of this a administration, though, so it is easier to explain reasonable thought.
This elective war remains the benchmark of this administration. It fully explains the secretive, sinister, financial reward-seeking nature of the people involved in it and the people who ensured that they got into power and remained in power.
They continue to attempt to evade any responsibility and abiding by many of the laws and framework of this country. The time has come to hold them fully accountable, and take them down. Yes, I am fully done giving these people the remotest benefit of the doubt.
If you, Smurphy, Kosar, Sponge, GW, and DTB are going to be at the Super Bowl party this year I am in...oh yeah, and HH.
Not sure i could stand in the same room with Smurph. He takes a red tag way way to personal for my taste. Either that or he is a closet ball breaker. As the B kid would say "The no good rat bastard"
Originally Posted by kosar
Do you REALLY think there will be a US friendly democracy that comes out of this. How stupid can you possibly be?
Watch from beginning to end--then you tell me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyrStaIoh-w
Do you REALLY think there will be a US friendly democracy that comes out of this. How stupid can you possibly be?
Watch from beginning to end--then you tell me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyrStaIoh-w
I like red cards. Drive down 95, pick up Weasel, and make your way to Vegas in time for February.
Could you imagine a cross country road trip featuring Sponge and Weasel? I'd watch that movie.
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Sponge and Weasel will NEVER attend any function. They are paranoid recluses.
However, I know Smurph very well, have met him 4 or 5 times, and I consider him a very good friend. I have been in contact with DTB for 6 or 7 years and it was my pleasure to finally meet him earlier this year. On top of that, he's the captain of our golf team, or whatever, tomorrow. God help us, with me in there.
HH, Roll Tide, Dunclock, Agent, YYZ, Jack and myself just had a nice dinner at a steakhouse here and tomorrow will be a blast.
We would be okay. We get along fine in the Boxing threads. Had a few laugh tonight and picked up some money to boot. Leave all this political shit behind. Sometimes Weasel does do a lot of flip flopping with picks. That is about as political as it gets. I would have to run this by Weasel because there is news on the wire about Al Quida regrouping. Vegas will get blasted first. Tell my uncle that all the time.
pretty stupid,judging by this post.....
of course they aren`t going to "take over" iraq......iran will probably at some point gain dominance if we quit.........
and that`s acceptable to you?....can you train your brain to think past "blame bush"?...
remember al anbar province is sunni....as is al qaeda.....it was an al qaeda haven prior to the troop surge........
well,they`ve been pushed out of al anbar..and the sunni`s don`t want them back...and some other sunni provinces are following suit.
al an bar was a focal point of violence...now,attacks are waaaayyy down....
that`s what the surge is doing...only,you won`t read about it in the nyt`s.....just like you won`t read about the huge bounceback in the stockmarket today....
what are you afraid of?...giving thie surge one last chance?........you guys are hypocrites....
both houses of congress voted for 23 writs authorizing the war with iraq....a post-9/11 confirmation of the official policy of "regime change in iraq "that "president clinton" originated....
supporters of the war included 70 percent of the american public in april 2003, the majority of n.a.t.o. members....a coalition with more participants than the united nations alliance had in the korean war....not to mention politicians and pundits such as joe biden, wesley clark, hillary clinton and harry reid....
...the dems voted for petraues...the begged for more troops...they begged for rumsfeld`s head........hell,kosar...you said yourself,"give the surge a chance"....
wtf happened?...you`re afraid it`s actually having an effect?....that`s what happened...
you don`t believe al zawahiri`s own words about iraq being the linchpin?..like the "troofers" don`t believe bin laden copping to 9/11?.......that`s called cognitive disonance......your problem,not mine...
and wocky posting graphs indicating more terrorist attacks since we invaded iraq?....
what?..in thailand?....indonesia?...africa?..algeria?......wtf does that have to do with saddam?...or america?...
this just proves my continuing point.....it isn`t just our problem..iraq didn`t cause it....and running from iraq won`t solve or end it....it will only throw fuel onto the jihadi fire....nothing succeeds like success.....
but you guys don`t get that...
you think we`ve lost?...
the vast majority of 160,000 troops in harm’s way don’t think so....despite democratic senators publicly comparing them with nazis, stalinists, pol pot’s khmer rouge, and saddam hussein’s jailers...
where the media has focused obsessively on abu ghraib, guant?namo, and serial leaks of classified information, with little interest in the horrific nature of the islamists in iraq or the courageous efforts of many iraqis to stop them........
this is what encourages the jihadis.....the 5th column here at home...
reprisals, ethnic cleansing, genocide,iran controlling the region.....oh,that`s right....you guys are o.k. with that so long as they can be blamed on bush.
..what an embarrassment of a generation...
Not me. I think we won ....a long time ago. Don't know what the objective is at this point. But whatever it is - it's not something that can be measured through military victories.
Staying to win what. I thought we won about all we could. Were done with what we went there for. We can't pick a winner in civil war that goes on for 100's of years.
Who's side do we join? So I don't see it as cut and run. I see it we won. Now get the hell out and stop using our find soldiers as target practice.
Who's side do we join? So I don't see it as cut and run. I see it we won. Now get the hell out and stop using our find soldiers as target practice.
And every single one of the people/groups you mentioned probably didn't think that our sitting administration would do the things they did to make the case for gaining support from them. I'm not sure where the 70% number comes from (I doubt Wayne will make YOU footnote anything, right?) but presuming that's true (because it doesn't really matter, anyway, because of the above truth), how many of them would have been for it had they had any idea of the truth regarding the situation in Iraq? Don't tell me you're using some kind of POLL to back up your unfootnoted claim...that would be arguable and begging to be dismissed, wouldn't it?
I'll have more on your essay - which although well presented as always - is full of holes. I thought I'd slam the softball you tossed out here before taking more time later...
