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[ssd]

Pythagorean theorem: 24 words
Lord?s prayer: 66 words
Archimedes? Principle: 67 words
Ten Commandments: 179 words
Gettysburg address: 286 words
US Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words
US Constitution with all 27 Amendments: 7,818 words
EU regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words

Food Safety and Modernization Act.

There are 15 large orchards in Ohio that would pick and process their own apples. Because of the new regulations for the FSMA - in order to comply, a $250,ooo new machine has to be purchased to process apples. 9 of the 15 are not going to buy the new machine.

What do you think is going to happen to the price of apples?

And this is just one, very small sector of the ag business that will be affected by the new regulations.

So, how do ya like them apples?

 

[Trench]

EU regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words

Food Safety and Modernization Act.

There are 15 large orchards in Ohio that would pick and process their own apples. Because of the new regulations for the FSMA - in order to comply, a $250,ooo new machine has to be purchased to process apples. 9 of the 15 are not going to buy the new machine.

What do you think is going to happen to the price of apples?

So, how do ya like them apples?

Babe Ruth used to wear cabbage under his baseball cap to keep cool. Maybe the EU's finally clamping down on this kind of cabbage abuse. :SIB

SSD... why would the FSMA force apple growers to purchase a $250,000 machine to "process" apples, whatever that's supposed to mean?

 

[Duff Miver]

Babe Ruth used to wear cabbage under his baseball cap to keep cool. Maybe the EU's finally clamping down on this kind of cabbage abuse. :SIB

SSD... why would the FSMA force apple growers to purchase a $250,000 machine to "process" apples, whatever that's supposed to mean?

Good luck getting that whiner ssd to back up his falsehoods. He's just another lying azzboob.

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/cabbage.asp

 

[Trench]

Good luck getting that whiner ssd to back up his falsehoods. He's just another lying azzboob.

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/cabbage.asp

Oh no... it's a chain letter? :142smilie

So it started out as a "US Govt. memo" and now it's morphed into an "EU regulation" that somehow equates to and reveals the regulatory tyranny of the FSMA?

So giving the FDA more regulatory powers to enhance the safety of food produced in America and imported from overseas and to prevent food-borne illness is somehow a bad thing? :shrug:

 

[Skulnik]

Snoopes is ran by LIBERALS, screw them.

:0074

 

[Trench]

Snoopes is ran by LIBERALS, screw them.

:0074

The only thing standing between you and tainted food, drugs or personal hygeine products imported from China or elsewhere is the FDA.

Remember that the next time you whine about regulations, bonehead.

 

[ssd]

Don't listen to that angry old Duff, he's just another asshat.


I did not snope the message I received from a friend in the UK - he told me that note was making the rounds again thru the EU as a response to the e. coli outbreak there.


You can try to marginalize my statements here all you want, Duff. I am in this industry and I know what I am talking in regards to it.

Trench:
The FSMA requirements go into effect in 2012 for fruit packing. To get to the new standards, this machine was required. The requirements for vegetable packing go into effect in 5 years and a similar upgrade will be required for them.

The lady that i deal with is 85 years old and it is a generational farm and family business.

Her statement to me and her kids and grand kids that were standing there:

"If this continues, it won't be long before the govt shows up and tells you what you can grow."

I wonder how people managed to grow their own food - meat, dairy, produce, etc - 100 years ago and the population did not die off from all the food-borne diseases.



Here's a link:
http://www.truthistreason.net/fda-says-you-have-no-fundamental-right-to-grow-or-eat-healthy-food-its-a-privilege

 

[Trench]

I wonder how people managed to grow their own food - meat, dairy, produce, etc - 100 years ago and the population did not die off from all the food-borne diseases.

SSD, you can't seriously be suggesting that food-borne illness and death was not a MUCH bigger problem 100 years ago than it is today, can you?

I'm not implying that all regulation is good but you haven't provided any proof of an FSMA requirement of a $250,000 apple processing machine.

I don't believe for a second that if I'm a local organic fruit and vegetable farmer, the FDA's going to force me to purchase a $250,000 apple processing machine. To do what? I'm selling my apples whole.

 

[Skulnik]

SSD, you can't seriously be suggesting that food-borne illness and death was not a MUCH bigger problem 100 years ago than it is today, can you?

I'm not implying that all regulation is good but you haven't provided any proof of an FSMA requirement of a $250,000 apple processing machine.

I don't believe for a second that if I'm a local organic fruit and vegetable farmer, the FDA's going to force me to purchase a $250,000 apple processing machine. To do what? I'm selling my apples whole.

The WORD Organic should get you a WAIVER, it's POLITICALLY CORRECT.

JMO

 

[ssd]

Trench:
If food safety was such a big issue 100 years ago, it is amazing that the human race has been able to survive at all.

You mean people survived without hand sanitizers?

I am not versed on the whole scope of this law. I know that there is a provision in the law for small and ultra small farmers falling out of the requirements of the regulations. If you are certified organic, I would imagine that you have to be more than complying with anything in the law.

I have less than 100 trees (of various fruit) on my property. The orchard I deal with is relatively large and has been working with the Ohio Farm Bureau on the regs of this law and what it means to their operation.

They bought the machine to comply with the new standards.

They have never had a food borne illness problem from their facility.

 

[Duff Miver]

you haven't provided any proof of an FSMA requirement of a $250,000 apple processing machine.

and he never will....just like azzboob

 

[ssd]

Sure, Muff. I'll go ask Mrs. XXXXXX for a receipt for her purchase.

I saw the brand new damned machine with my own eyes and I can tell you this.....

this is not a woman who would have just gone out and bought a $250k machine because she had an itch she wanted scratched.


you're such an *ss

 

[Trench]

Trench:
If food safety was such a big issue 100 years ago, it is amazing that the human race has been able to survive at all.

SSD, if you're suggesting that we haven't made incredible strides in food safety over the past 100 years, wouldn't that seem antithetical to the normal progress of society from one century to the next? :shrug:

 

[Skulnik]

SSD, if you're suggesting that we haven't made incredible strides in food safety over the past 100 years, wouldn't that seem antithetical to the normal progress of society from one century to the next? :shrug:

Why are you TWISTING his words?

TIA.

 

[ssd]

I'm being farsical in a direct attempt to show how crazy this over reach by the govt is.

 

[Trench]

Why are you TWISTING his words?

TIA.

This conversation's over your head, Skul.

Just keep concentrating on staying between the lines, Skul, and if you do a good job, you can hang it on the fridge. :0074

 

[Trench]

Trench:
If food safety was such a big issue 100 years ago, it is amazing that the human race has been able to survive at all.

You mean people survived without hand sanitizers?

One more point on this subject, SSD.

100 years ago, only 1 in 4 homes had running water and it was only cold water. There were no water heaters then. Only 1 in 8 homes had a flush toilet and only 1 in 20 homes had any kind of a washing machine. Most people washed their clothes by hand in the sink or in a metal tub and there were no clothes driers.

In fact, the house my mom grew up in had no running water. They had an outside pump and an outhouse and they had to carry water inside one bucket at a time and heat it on a wood-burning stove, then dump the heated water in a metal tub on the sun-porch for taking baths. The farmhouse my dad grew up in had no electricity until the late 40's and in fact, the farmhouse I grew up in still had the outhouse standing behind it, as did both my grandparents homes.

 

[ssd]

i know all about it.

Property I am on has been in my family since the late 1890's.

I still have the old wells on the property.

Did they have a one-holer or two?

:mj07:

 

[Duff Miver]

Sure, Muff. I'll go ask Mrs. XXXXXX for a receipt for her purchase.

Just give the correct name of the regulation, or a link, or the CFR number.

No name, no link, no CFR?

No such regulation exists?

In that case you're either a fool or a liar.

Your choice.

 

[Trench]

Just give the correct name of the regulation, or a link, or the CFR number.

No name, no link, no CFR?

No such regulation exists?

In that case you're either a fool or a liar.

Your choice.

Skulnik says there's an "organic" loophole, Duff.

So if I'm Seneca Foods, all I have to do is say the magic word... "ORGANIC"... and bing!, the FDA says "OK, sorry to bother you". But if I'm Bob's Orchard and I don't say the magic word, it's gonna cost me $250K.

Now that just aint right... :142smilie