2 years of vetoes is better than 8 years of shlt. Hopefully the next prez will be moderate and we can get some good government again. But IF the Dems get control of congress, I don't want them spending the next 2 years trying to nail the Bush administration. I think that would be a waste of time and money - just like when Starr and co. spent hundreds of millions to bust Clinton on a morality issue, distracting him from doing his job. It was a great dis-service to the country.
An honest Non-partisan view of Iraq. Believe it or not.
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Samayan,
I have a question for you:
Why should 80 billion dollars of our hard earned tax dollars go to holding this fractured country together. It never was a country until after World War I when Britain created it on a Map. You have 3 constituencies that hate each other and now would like the US to get the hell out. This is not my problem and it's not worth thousands of dead American soldiers. So stop insulting anyone with an opinion with your "cut and run" crap. Most of us wouldn't have advocated this strategic blunder in the first place. It was Bush trying to avenge an assasination attempt against his father. Not a wise way to make decisions of this magnitude. This is the biggest strategic blunder by the US in the last 40 years.
I have a question for you:
Why should 80 billion dollars of our hard earned tax dollars go to holding this fractured country together. It never was a country until after World War I when Britain created it on a Map. You have 3 constituencies that hate each other and now would like the US to get the hell out. This is not my problem and it's not worth thousands of dead American soldiers. So stop insulting anyone with an opinion with your "cut and run" crap. Most of us wouldn't have advocated this strategic blunder in the first place. It was Bush trying to avenge an assasination attempt against his father. Not a wise way to make decisions of this magnitude. This is the biggest strategic blunder by the US in the last 40 years.
Roger
First of all, lets recall that beleive it or not, most of the country was in support of the war at its onset. Look at the voting records in congress on the issue, and overall public opinion polls. By the sounds of it, you werent, and that is fine-but to claim that bush was "trying to avenge an assasination attempt on his father" is an unsupported, unfounded claim that weakens the credibility of your otherwise logical response.
Now, i supported the war under the assumption that it would be waged well. that was obviousally an unfair assumption because we have dropped theball on waging the war because washington is letting politics get in the way of reality. so i am not one of those people who is blinded into thinking this is going well.
I said "no bush bashing and no cut and run" to try to avoid partisian bullchit (ie those who would bash bush and also those on the other side who would call them cut and runners-neither one being my own ideas) coming into the thread, no matter how futile the effort may be. Not to "insult anyone with an opinion" and i apologize if it came across that way.
I think we need to spend money and lives because I see no other viable option. Iraq can not be left a mess. I honestly beleive it would then become a terrorist hot bed like Afganastan was and then we are back behind square one.
I am not opposed to having the country operate under Federalism, therefore granting those 3 regions equality under the law and a splitting of oil revenues. And ultimatley i think that is what will happen.
I think we should double our troop levels and squash the rebellion with overwelming force. Less people would die in the long run and it would help provide stability for iraqies to begin to start really implementing their government and poliece force. i also think this will happen, but it is an election year, so we all know that will never fly.
basically, having a functioning democracy inthe middle east (the real reason we went into iraq) is a noble plan, invading iraq to achieve these ends is debatable, the waging of the war has been a failure thus far, but with proper leadership and real courage, in washington, in iraq and with americans, we can, i believe, turn this suituation around before its too late-in which case we would have really have wasted all those lives and money and left iraq worse off than before we invaded.
First of all, lets recall that beleive it or not, most of the country was in support of the war at its onset. Look at the voting records in congress on the issue, and overall public opinion polls. By the sounds of it, you werent, and that is fine-but to claim that bush was "trying to avenge an assasination attempt on his father" is an unsupported, unfounded claim that weakens the credibility of your otherwise logical response.
Now, i supported the war under the assumption that it would be waged well. that was obviousally an unfair assumption because we have dropped theball on waging the war because washington is letting politics get in the way of reality. so i am not one of those people who is blinded into thinking this is going well.
I said "no bush bashing and no cut and run" to try to avoid partisian bullchit (ie those who would bash bush and also those on the other side who would call them cut and runners-neither one being my own ideas) coming into the thread, no matter how futile the effort may be. Not to "insult anyone with an opinion" and i apologize if it came across that way.
I think we need to spend money and lives because I see no other viable option. Iraq can not be left a mess. I honestly beleive it would then become a terrorist hot bed like Afganastan was and then we are back behind square one.
I am not opposed to having the country operate under Federalism, therefore granting those 3 regions equality under the law and a splitting of oil revenues. And ultimatley i think that is what will happen.
I think we should double our troop levels and squash the rebellion with overwelming force. Less people would die in the long run and it would help provide stability for iraqies to begin to start really implementing their government and poliece force. i also think this will happen, but it is an election year, so we all know that will never fly.
basically, having a functioning democracy inthe middle east (the real reason we went into iraq) is a noble plan, invading iraq to achieve these ends is debatable, the waging of the war has been a failure thus far, but with proper leadership and real courage, in washington, in iraq and with americans, we can, i believe, turn this suituation around before its too late-in which case we would have really have wasted all those lives and money and left iraq worse off than before we invaded.
I didnt say it was for the iraqi people. though that was part of it.
having a functioning democracy in the middle east is a long term goal to attempt and change the middle east.
like communist eastern europe, and nazi germany--islamic facisim is a force that has to be defeated.
a good way to clean up the chaos that is the middle east is through functioning democracies.
I dont recall saying that we did it for the iraqui people anywhere in my post, because i agree--there are people worse off in many places of the world.
but the reality is that the middle east promotes instablity and terrorism through tyranny-a democracy that works could help quell that reality.
having a functioning democracy in the middle east is a long term goal to attempt and change the middle east.
like communist eastern europe, and nazi germany--islamic facisim is a force that has to be defeated.
a good way to clean up the chaos that is the middle east is through functioning democracies.
I dont recall saying that we did it for the iraqui people anywhere in my post, because i agree--there are people worse off in many places of the world.
but the reality is that the middle east promotes instablity and terrorism through tyranny-a democracy that works could help quell that reality.
bud the democracy deal i was talking about. We didn't go to iraq for that which you seem to believe. How about we leave these people alone? we are the whole cause of this breeding ground for terrorism and if we could just get the hell out of their business we all would have peace. Its not them that bother us, its us that bother them. You buy that bull our gov't feeds you about democracy and i will believe what i have know about this collection of crooks way back when Presscott Bush was around.
Sorry not the whole problem you can give the crooks in Isreal part of the blame. We the occupiers need to get a life and get out of others business.
