Yeah these guys with foresight are rotten sums of bitches. these guys should all be shot then the stupid can remain very stupid.
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Yeah these guys with foresight are rotten sums of bitches. these guys should all be shot then the stupid can remain very stupid.
Does anyone know the average cost of heating/cooling similar sized buildings? Until you know such things, the size of his personal bill is neither here nor there. At what point exactly was the tipping point for this story? $5,000? $10,000? $20,000? The fact that the owners of large estates spend small fortunes on energy is missing the point of the documentary. It is about making better choices to help the environment. If you want to latch onto a real story, why not follow him around and report on his practices (ie, does he recycle?). To follow your logic is to say that a guy that lives in a 800sq ft house is much more energy conscious than a person that lives in a 3,000sq ft house because he pays less in utuility bills. That argument is absurd, and so is the one presented against Gore in this thread.
good point gmroz, I would also agree that Gore has done much more help than harm by releasing and backing this movie to help everyone get even more aware abou global warming
I just thought it was interesting that he uses 20times the avg. While his house may be big, i doubt it is 20 times as big as a 1600 sqft median house. I just dont know what he could be using it all on.
And does anyone have any idea what they meant when they said the oscars were "going green". I saw a clip on a joke show, but they didnt explain what they meant.
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Typical bashing by the Right...
Most likely this outburst by the Right stems from the worries that Gore may run in 2008 so might as well try to start and discredit him now. Lets just forget the facts... typical.
The person who brought this to light and was subsequently picked up by the Drudge report was 27 year old Jason Drew Johnson and the Tenn center for policy research. :mj07:
This guy and his cronnies are the same ones that get money from big oil, and downplay global warming... hmmm could you say they have an agenda to bash Gore??? :shrug: :142smilie
This sooo typical of the Right. Attack attack attack, skew the facts with out hesitation or reprucussions. Ok so what are the facts?
Fact... Gore has 20 rooms, uses his home for offices and such. Plus he has a ton of security for obvious reasons.
Fact (what was left out)... The Gores BUY ENERGY THROUGH RENEWABLE SOURCES LIKE WIND AND SOLAR.
Fact (also not mentioned)... The Gores are on the GREEN POWER SWITCH PROGRAM!!!
The Green Power switch program costs more for the Gores to use energy!!!!! What the Green Power Switch program does is allow the Gores to pay more money for energy IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE CARBON POLLUTION...
THATS RIGHT HE PAYS MORE IN ORDER TO LOWER CARBON POLLUTION AND HELP THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!
HE ACTUALLY CHOOSES TO PAY ABOUT AN EXTRA $5000 A MONTH TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT BY BEING APART OF THE GREEN POWER SWITCH PROGRAM!!!
These are the facts and cannot be disputed. Typical the Right attacks the guy with this lame ass attempt. That his how they got Bush in office two straight terms... and what a wonderful job he has done. :scared
I mean look what happened. THE ISSUE IS GLOBAL WARMING... but with a few little blogs and some misrepresentation of the truth, all of a sudden the issue is Al Gore and his energy use. Doesnt matter if it is true or not, as long as we CHANGE THE TOPIC. This method has been used time and time again by the people who are ruining this great country or ours. I for one am sick of it!!!!! :nono:
Typical
Typical bashing by the Right...
Most likely this outburst by the Right stems from the worries that Gore may run in 2008 so might as well try to start and discredit him now. Lets just forget the facts... typical.
The person who brought this to light and was subsequently picked up by the Drudge report was 27 year old Jason Drew Johnson and the Tenn center for policy research. :mj07:
This guy and his cronnies are the same ones that get money from big oil, and downplay global warming... hmmm could you say they have an agenda to bash Gore??? :shrug: :142smilie
This sooo typical of the Right. Attack attack attack, skew the facts with out hesitation or reprucussions. Ok so what are the facts?
Fact... Gore has 20 rooms, uses his home for offices and such. Plus he has a ton of security for obvious reasons.
Fact (what was left out)... The Gores BUY ENERGY THROUGH RENEWABLE SOURCES LIKE WIND AND SOLAR.
Fact (also not mentioned)... The Gores are on the GREEN POWER SWITCH PROGRAM!!!
The Green Power switch program costs more for the Gores to use energy!!!!! What the Green Power Switch program does is allow the Gores to pay more money for energy IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE CARBON POLLUTION...
THATS RIGHT HE PAYS MORE IN ORDER TO LOWER CARBON POLLUTION AND HELP THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!
HE ACTUALLY CHOOSES TO PAY ABOUT AN EXTRA $5000 A MONTH TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT BY BEING APART OF THE GREEN POWER SWITCH PROGRAM!!!
These are the facts and cannot be disputed. Typical the Right attacks the guy with this lame ass attempt. That his how they got Bush in office two straight terms... and what a wonderful job he has done. :scared
I mean look what happened. THE ISSUE IS GLOBAL WARMING... but with a few little blogs and some misrepresentation of the truth, all of a sudden the issue is Al Gore and his energy use. Doesnt matter if it is true or not, as long as we CHANGE THE TOPIC. This method has been used time and time again by the people who are ruining this great country or ours. I for one am sick of it!!!!! :nono:
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Didn't ask you for articles Sham--
It is evident we have went through warming and cooling periods since being of time--
What I want is one person with proof what causes global warming and so far neither can from either side.
We can all assume--only reason I lean one way -that no one knows cause--is we have had these warming trends previously when there was little or no man made gases you now claim is the cause--
In 70's they were claiming same reasons were going to cause ice age--which is it--
Where was their doom and gloom on hurricanes hitting U.S. last year??
you might want to look at your dates of record temps for Boston below--
I am for cleaning up environment regardless--I'm just not biting on the doom and gloom hoopla--
Appears to me Boston greatest decade of Global warmimg was in 50's with 4 months and appears to have had no extremes either way since mid 80's:shrug:
Records and Averages for Boston
View: English | Metric
Daily Records and Averages at weather.com Month Avg. High Avg. Low Avg. Precip. Rec. High Rec. Low
January 36.0? F 22.0? F 3.92 in 72.0?
(01/26/1950) -12.0? F
(01/15/1957)
February 39.0? F 24.0? F 3.30 in 70.0?
(02/24/1985) -18.0? F
(02/09/1934)
March 46.0? F 31.0? F 3.85 in 86.0?
(03/29/1945) 1.0? F
(03/05/1948)
April 56.0? F 41.0? F 3.60 in 94.0?
(04/18/1976) 13.0? F
(04/01/1923)
May 67.0? F 50.0? F 3.24 in 96.0?
(05/31/1944) 34.0? F
(05/08/1956)
June 77.0? F 59.0? F 3.22 in 100.0?
(06/26/1952) 41.0? F
(06/01/1945)
July 82.0? F 65.0? F 3.06 in 103.0?
(07/22/1926) 50.0? F
(07/01/1988)
August 80.0? F 64.0? F 3.37 in 102.0?
(08/02/1975) 46.0? F
(08/25/1940)
September 73.0? F 57.0? F 3.47 in 100.0?
(09/02/1953) 37.0? F
(09/28/1947)
October 62.0? F 46.0? F 3.79 in 90.0?
(10/07/1963) 25.0? F
(10/27/1936)
November 52.0? F 38.0? F 3.98 in 83.0?
(11/02/1950) 8.0? F
(11/27/1932)
December 42.0? F 28.0? F 3.73 in 73.0?
(12/29/1984) -17.0? F
(12/29/1933)
It is evident we have went through warming and cooling periods since being of time--
What I want is one person with proof what causes global warming and so far neither can from either side.
We can all assume--only reason I lean one way -that no one knows cause--is we have had these warming trends previously when there was little or no man made gases you now claim is the cause--
In 70's they were claiming same reasons were going to cause ice age--which is it--
Where was their doom and gloom on hurricanes hitting U.S. last year??
you might want to look at your dates of record temps for Boston below--
I am for cleaning up environment regardless--I'm just not biting on the doom and gloom hoopla--
Appears to me Boston greatest decade of Global warmimg was in 50's with 4 months and appears to have had no extremes either way since mid 80's:shrug:
Records and Averages for Boston
View: English | Metric
Daily Records and Averages at weather.com Month Avg. High Avg. Low Avg. Precip. Rec. High Rec. Low
January 36.0? F 22.0? F 3.92 in 72.0?
(01/26/1950) -12.0? F
(01/15/1957)
February 39.0? F 24.0? F 3.30 in 70.0?
(02/24/1985) -18.0? F
(02/09/1934)
March 46.0? F 31.0? F 3.85 in 86.0?
(03/29/1945) 1.0? F
(03/05/1948)
April 56.0? F 41.0? F 3.60 in 94.0?
(04/18/1976) 13.0? F
(04/01/1923)
May 67.0? F 50.0? F 3.24 in 96.0?
(05/31/1944) 34.0? F
(05/08/1956)
June 77.0? F 59.0? F 3.22 in 100.0?
(06/26/1952) 41.0? F
(06/01/1945)
July 82.0? F 65.0? F 3.06 in 103.0?
(07/22/1926) 50.0? F
(07/01/1988)
August 80.0? F 64.0? F 3.37 in 102.0?
(08/02/1975) 46.0? F
(08/25/1940)
September 73.0? F 57.0? F 3.47 in 100.0?
(09/02/1953) 37.0? F
(09/28/1947)
October 62.0? F 46.0? F 3.79 in 90.0?
(10/07/1963) 25.0? F
(10/27/1936)
November 52.0? F 38.0? F 3.98 in 83.0?
(11/02/1950) 8.0? F
(11/27/1932)
December 42.0? F 28.0? F 3.73 in 73.0?
(12/29/1984) -17.0? F
(12/29/1933)
gmroz, what all does al gore do for the environment? I would like to know. I doubt it's anymore than I do, and I'm very serious about that. I'm an environmentalist; I just don't buy into all the doom and gloom.
Hobbs, if you think I'm worried about Gore running in 2008, I am. I'm worried that the Democrats can't find a better choice than that. :142smilie I might vote for a Democrat that is conservative or even moderate.
Also, the program you mentioned (green power switch) and the Gore's using renewable energy sources are the same thing, and, bfd. They could be signed up for that program for as little as 4 dollars a month (that's for 150 kilowatt block hours), and it's offered by the TVA. It's not like it's some special program he invented. It's also tax deductible
http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/
yawn, more typical bashing/skewing by the left, and I for one, am sick of it!!!!!!!:s8:
Hobbs, if you think I'm worried about Gore running in 2008, I am. I'm worried that the Democrats can't find a better choice than that. :142smilie I might vote for a Democrat that is conservative or even moderate.
Also, the program you mentioned (green power switch) and the Gore's using renewable energy sources are the same thing, and, bfd. They could be signed up for that program for as little as 4 dollars a month (that's for 150 kilowatt block hours), and it's offered by the TVA. It's not like it's some special program he invented. It's also tax deductible
http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/yawn, more typical bashing/skewing by the left, and I for one, am sick of it!!!!!!!:s8:
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Typical seems to be the word of the day around here so I guess I will start with it myself. Typical for humans to think we have more control than we do because we are a very narcissistic type of animal and have always been. We thought we were the center of our solar system for thousands of years (cause everything revolves around us right:nono: ), we thought we could build levee's, we thought wild fires were a bad thing, we think we can earthquake proof something, and among other things we think we have the ability to do more to earth to harm it than it has done to itself over the last hundred million years. There are many more examples but the point is obvious. I dont know what the truth is be it inconvenient or not. What I do know is I survived Y2K and to this point have avoided being killed by the bird flu or mad cow, so I am hoping I can dodge this thing they call Global Warming as well:shrug:
I still believe after all of this, that besides God, global warming is one of the biggest fairy tails of all time :scared :scared :scared :com: :142smilie :mj07:
Hobbs please try not to clutter up the forum with facts. Fox news told these guys what to think about Gore and that their stand and nothing you can do will penetrate there blockheads. Next we may be talking about taking away guns or burning the flag. If Bush had a shot at running again a lot of these simpletons would vote for him.
Six,
The entire point is not about GORE. THAT IS THE POINT!! The Right brings up crap like this to get us off topic. My God talk about canidates... I mean Bush won the last two elections...wow?!?! How?? Because of stunts like this. Here we are right now NOT debating about whether or not Global Warming is true or important. And by the way most moderate to conservatives won't debate against it right now, but I digress, the point is Gore is making an effort despite his high level energy use, AND THIS WAS LEFT OUT. IT WAS SKEWED. Dont you see that? Did that Neocon Tenn center let us in that the guy actually does some stuff to curb his side?
NO!! They did what typical right wingers do. And yes you are right probably a lot of strong liberals do. THEY LEFT OUT FACTS!!! They come out attacking character and throw in some defamations without including the entire package. That is the point of my comments and the point of the problem in my opinion of what is wrong with us right now.
It a bunch of BS is what it is. This little article comes out and BS news guys like Hannity come out and jump on it, and all of a sudden we arent discussing Global Warming we are discussing whether or not Gore is a hypocrite (which of course he isnt)...THAT is the point, and the problem.
You have even bought into it. The issue is GLOBAL WARMING... NOT Al Gore, get it?
Yeah $4 per 150kw, that ends being an extra $5000 the guy pays for this program... PER MONTH. Dang just one month, if I was him I would layoff it for this particular month and lay the 5gs on some March Madness :00hour
The entire point is not about GORE. THAT IS THE POINT!! The Right brings up crap like this to get us off topic. My God talk about canidates... I mean Bush won the last two elections...wow?!?! How?? Because of stunts like this. Here we are right now NOT debating about whether or not Global Warming is true or important. And by the way most moderate to conservatives won't debate against it right now, but I digress, the point is Gore is making an effort despite his high level energy use, AND THIS WAS LEFT OUT. IT WAS SKEWED. Dont you see that? Did that Neocon Tenn center let us in that the guy actually does some stuff to curb his side?
NO!! They did what typical right wingers do. And yes you are right probably a lot of strong liberals do. THEY LEFT OUT FACTS!!! They come out attacking character and throw in some defamations without including the entire package. That is the point of my comments and the point of the problem in my opinion of what is wrong with us right now.
It a bunch of BS is what it is. This little article comes out and BS news guys like Hannity come out and jump on it, and all of a sudden we arent discussing Global Warming we are discussing whether or not Gore is a hypocrite (which of course he isnt)...THAT is the point, and the problem.
You have even bought into it. The issue is GLOBAL WARMING... NOT Al Gore, get it?
Yeah $4 per 150kw, that ends being an extra $5000 the guy pays for this program... PER MONTH. Dang just one month, if I was him I would layoff it for this particular month and lay the 5gs on some March Madness :00hour
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Is this a serious question? I suppose dedicating your political clout to legislative reform and environmental awareness is probably right on par with whatever you are doing in Bowling Green, Kentucky. The doom and gloom reference is interesting because you admit that your are an environmentalist. I suppose you think that human effects on the planet are important enough to get involved on a personal level, but only when it is endorsed by the Republican Party.
lol, being an environmentalist doesn't mean you automatically are pabulum fed by the left wing doom and gloomers. wake up.
hobbs, I don't believe in Global Warming. You and Al Gore do. Nothing is said that Al Gore buys 5k worth of blocks per month. Ha ha, I'm sure he does (not).
If the issue is global warming, my stance is it's alarmist crap that will in no way affect me, my kids, or any of my descendants.
Environmentalist does not = liberal or belief in global warming.
If the issue is global warming, my stance is it's alarmist crap that will in no way affect me, my kids, or any of my descendants.
Environmentalist does not = liberal or belief in global warming.
Likewise, arguments against that are purely political in nature shouldn't be swallowed whole based upon one's political penchant. You're advice (wake up) should not be thrown solely in my direction. Yourself, and everyone else on this board could use a wake up call.
trust me, I don't believe everything from the conservative side. I make my own decisions.
um like McCain said, the debate about global warming is over, there is hardly a respectable scientist around still arguing against it. It's akin to finding people still believing Ted Haggert is a well respected leader in the Christian community, not a meth addicted ass pirate.
your skirt`s showing,partner....
goracle and b.j. were in office for 8 long years....and they didn`t do diddly squat on the environment...
all talk....just like gore and his obscene utility bills and private planes....
established fact??....nobody disagrees?....
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html
http://www.michaelcrichton.net/fear/index.html
more politically correct hocum from the left...the intended consequence of this hoax is to stifle development in the indistrialized world, as a way of taking revenge on the euro-imperialists and their descendents....ie.,liberal guilt and self-loathing...,
but give howl credit...he`s on the ball..., it has been discovered that the goracle may be in a money making scheme with his claptrap......he supposedly buys carbon offsets from an entity he has financial interest in, hence he is really buying stock in it....
"Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms."
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/03/al_gores_inconv.html
this whole carbon offsets b.s. is absolutely perfect for the modern western mindset... save the planet, not through your own action, but by making the lower and middle classes and some third worlders make sacrifices you are not willing to make...
several years ago I read a short article in a mainstream science rag that mentioned,very briefly, that the martian polar caps were shrinking noticeably.....
???? !!!!!
next up?...the global warming on MARS is being caused by.....???
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I KNOW - the mars rovers!!!!!
lol....
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now garden, I said a respectable scientist, I should have known you would quote someone like this Marxist Communist, who is described as "MISLEADING, DISTORTED, AND MISREPRESENTING."
http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=39
http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=39
Gore is a hypocrite. Trying to defend his wasteful lifestyle only makes Dems look partisan. Gore is to environmentalism what Ted Haggard is to morality ... they both profit from the message, but don't follow it themselves. It's kinda of pathetic that people remain loyal to guys like this.
That said, It's foolish to ignore the reality that industrialization has had an effect on climate. If you acknowledge that 2 + 2 = 4, then you must also agree with this premise. The question is how much have we altered things and how damaging is the potential? I say it's best to be safe than sorry. We have the ability to make improvements, so all of us - even Gore the hypocrite - should do what we can.
That said, It's foolish to ignore the reality that industrialization has had an effect on climate. If you acknowledge that 2 + 2 = 4, then you must also agree with this premise. The question is how much have we altered things and how damaging is the potential? I say it's best to be safe than sorry. We have the ability to make improvements, so all of us - even Gore the hypocrite - should do what we can.
geez,THESE ARE GLOWING REVIEWS GARDEN!
Articles on Martin Durkin and his programmes by George Monbiot:
Getting your science from charlatans:This man takes liberties with facts
The Revolution Has Been Televised: Channel 4's Against Nature series turns out to have been made by an obscure and cranky sect.
Crimes Against Nature : A new Channel 4 series would be laughable, had it not been given three hours of prime time TV
Articles on Martin Durkin and his programmes by George Monbiot:
Getting your science from charlatans:This man takes liberties with facts
The Revolution Has Been Televised: Channel 4's Against Nature series turns out to have been made by an obscure and cranky sect.
Crimes Against Nature : A new Channel 4 series would be laughable, had it not been given three hours of prime time TV
