Analysts say more U.S. banks will fail

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By Louise Story/ International Herald Tribune

Monday, July 14, 2008

As home prices continue to decline and loan defaults mount, U.S. regulators are bracing for dozens of American banks to fail over the next year.

But after a large mortgage lender in California collapsed late Friday, Wall Street analysts began posing two crucial questions: Just how many banks might falter? And, more urgently, which one could be next?

The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis. The debacle, the greatest collapse of American financial institutions since the Depression, prompted a government bailout that cost taxpayers about $125 billion.

But the troubles are growing so rapidly at some small and midsize banks that as many as 150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months, analysts say. Other lenders are likely to shut branches or seek mergers.

"Everybody is drawing up lists, trying to figure out who the next bank is, No. 1, and No. 2, how many of them are there," said Richard Bove, the banking analyst with Ladenburg Thalmann, who released a list of troubled banks over the weekend. "And No. 3, from the standpoint of Washington, how badly is it going to affect the economy?"

Many investors are on edge after federal regulators seized the California lender, IndyMac Bank, one of the nation's largest savings and loans, last week. With $32 billion in assets, IndyMac, a spinoff of the Countrywide Financial Corporation, was the biggest American lender to fail in more than two decades.

Now, as the Bush administration grapples with the crisis at the nation's two largest mortgage finance companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a rush of earnings reports in the coming days and weeks from some of the nation's largest financial companies are likely to provide more gloomy reminders about the sorry state of the industry.

The future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is vital to the banks, savings and loans and credit unions, which own $1.3 trillion of securities issued or guaranteed by the two mortgage companies. If the mortgage giants ever defaulted on those obligations, banks might be forced to raise billions of dollars in additional capital.

The large institutions set to report results this week, including Citigroup and Merrill Lynch, are in no danger of failing, but some are expected to report more multibillion-dollar write-offs.

But time may be running out for some small and midsize lenders. They vary in size and location, but their common woe is the collapsed real estate market and souring mortgage loans. Most of these banks are far smaller than the industry giants that have drawn so much scrutiny from regulators and investors.

Still, only six lenders have failed so far this year, including IndyMac. In 1994, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation listed 575 banks that it considered to be troubled. As of this spring, the agency was worried about just 90 banks. That number may go up in August, when the government releases an updated list.

"Failed banks are a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator," said William Isaac, who was chairman of the FDIC in the early 1980s and is now the chairman of the Secura Group, a finance consulting firm in Virginia. "So you will see more troubled, more failed banks this year."

And yet IndyMac, one of the nation's largest mortgage lenders, was not on the government's troubled bank list this spring — an indication that other troubled banks may be below the radar.

The FDIC has $53 billion set aside to reimburse consumers for deposits lost at failed banks. IndyMac will eat up $4 billion to $8 billion of that fund, the agency estimates, and that could force it to raise more money from the banks that it insures.

The agency does not disclose which banks it thinks are troubled. But analysts are circulating their own lists, and short sellers — investors who bet against stocks — are piling on. In recent weeks, the share prices of some regional banks, like the BankUnited Financial Corporation, in Florida, and the Downey Financial Corporation, in California, have stumbled hard amid concern about their financial health. A BankUnited spokeswoman said the lender had largely avoided risky subprime loans.

In his "Who Is Next?" report over the weekend, Bove listed the fraction of loans at banks that are nonperforming, meaning, for example, that the assets have been foreclosed on or that payments are 90 days past due. He came up with what he called a danger zone, which was a percentage above 5 percent. Seven banks fell in this category.

An important issue for the regional and community banks will be whether they have managed to sell their riskiest loans to Wall Street firms.

And the government may have fewer failures than in the past because private investment funds might buy some troubled lenders. Regulators are considering rule changes that would allow private equity firms to buy larger shares of banks, and several prominent investors, like Wilbur Ross, have raised funds to leap in.
 

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i thought i heard that folks that invested more than the $100,000.00 fdic limit are going to also be protected by the gov`t....

if that`s the case,i`m a little pissed....everybody that has that much money laying around knows what the fdic limit is....

if they took the chance on leaving themselves open to getting buggered,thats on them,imo...

maybe i misunderstood...but,if i didn`t,i don`t want to be bailing them out with my tax dollars..
 

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i thought i heard that folks that invested more than the $100,000.00 fdic limit are going to also be protected by the gov`t....

if that`s the case,i`m a little pissed....everybody that has that much money laying around knows what the fdic limit is....

if they took the chance on leaving themselves open to getting buggered,thats on them,imo...

maybe i misunderstood...but,if i didn`t,i don`t want to be bailing them out with my tax dollars..

agree with this gw....
 

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GW I have no idea, I just thought i was odd that the FDIC doesn't insure over 100k but then they decided to reimburse 50c per dollar for people who had over 100k. Kind of random huh.
 

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i thought i heard that folks that invested more than the $100,000.00 fdic limit are going to also be protected by the gov`t....

if that`s the case,i`m a little pissed....everybody that has that much money laying around knows what the fdic limit is....

if they took the chance on leaving themselves open to getting buggered,thats on them,imo...

maybe i misunderstood...but,if i didn`t,i don`t want to be bailing them out with my tax dollars..

Any opinion on the 30 billion that Bear Stearns got bailed out with?
 

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GW I have no idea, I just thought i was odd that the FDIC doesn't insure over 100k but then they decided to reimburse 50c per dollar for people who had over 100k. Kind of random huh.

yeah...very strange...i`m a little unhappy about this.......

obviously,"limit" doesn`t mean "limit" anymore....

every schmuck that isn`t involved in the stock mkt.... that found a nice interest rate at a particular bank but,because they were responsible and savvy,didn`t go over the insurable limit,gets to pay for the guy that rolled the dice...

that makes sense....

whew...:nooo:

btw..kosar,i know this is above your pay grade,but it`s also YOUR MONEY the gov`t is giving away.....
 
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btw..kosar,i know this is above your pay grade,but it`s also YOUR MONEY the gov`t is giving away.....

I know, my man, but the outrage about certain government bailouts/handouts doesn't really equal the 'outrage' about others among a certain group.

Know what I mean?

And you can save your condescending bullshit about paygrades, or whatever.
 

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I know, my man, but the outrage about certain government bailouts/handouts doesn't really equal the 'outrage' about others among a certain group.

Know what I mean?

And you can save your condescending bullshit about paygrades, or whatever.

you`re such a speshul snowflake....:kiss:

such anger......always all het up....

look...bear stearns got some loans from the gov`t and was partially bought out by j.p,. morgan to stop the snowball effect it might have on the economy if they folded...

if the gov`t(and the dems in congress are included in this...it`s not just a rethuglican snatch and grab job)) thought that was necessary to keep the shaky economy from going into recession or depression,then,much to my chagrin,that`s how they went about it...

what i`d like to know is why every stupido ,who is fairly well off,btw...and thumbed their nose at the rules gets rewarded for it?........

why not bail out every yo-yo that got in over his head on a credit card or defaulted on a car loan?....

bear stearns?...one of the world`s largest investment banks...integral to wall st and the economy...very important...

joe blow?....with 3 maxed out visas and who couldn`t read his mortgage agreement?....not so much...

you can`t just destroy the whole system and give everybody a pass.......

it`s not fair?...tough shit...that`s life..

bear stearns i can live with...

irresponsible joe blow?.....being pandered to by corrupt politicians to buy votes?....i don`t want their grubby hands in my frickin` wallet...

but,thats me...
 

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as a man that has practiced self control and paid off 18k worth of debt in the last 6 mos - i am very dissapointed w/ all of the bail outs. F'me.
 

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as a man that has practiced self control and paid off 18k worth of debt in the last 6 mos - i am very dissapointed w/ all of the bail outs. F'me.

congratulations...many of us have gotten in a little over our heads at some point in our miserable lives...

you should be proud...that`s a real accomplishment....


i`m done here...let kosar kick sand in somebody else`s face for a change...

g,night...
 

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Out of curiousity does everyone think bailouts are free money-- I believe they loans.

What are odds of freddie-fannie-bear stearns paying back these loans--similiar to Chrysler in the 70's.

Would be nice if the CEO's of these companies had the character of lee iacocca @ Chrysler who reduced his pay to $1 a year until Chrysler was back in the black.


Now there are those who want to bailout the speculators--0 down ARM's borrowers--
wonder what chances are they'd paid off next loan.

Should certainly be penalty for these lenders--and would like worse of the lot go down and get weeded out--as lesson for those in the future.
 

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Smaller banks are being forced out through regulation as well. Not a fun time.

Dogs, Bears and the rest exchanged their CDO's for treasuries. They couldn't have got that deal in the market place, so yes it was a "loan", just like the "speculators" are getting. Neither are likely to be able to pay them back.

I'm actually for both of the plans, not because it's the right thing to do, but because it will cause a softer landing for the jerry-rigged economy. Plus, we're not paying for it, China and the Saudi's are.
 

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Out of curiousity does everyone think bailouts are free money-- I believe they loans.

What are odds of freddie-fannie-bear stearns paying back these loans--similiar to Chrysler in the 70's.

Would be nice if the CEO's of these companies had the character of lee iacocca @ Chrysler who reduced his pay to $1 a year until Chrysler was back in the black.


Now there are those who want to bailout the speculators--0 down ARM's borrowers--
wonder what chances are they'd paid off next loan.

Should certainly be penalty for these lenders--and would like worse of the lot go down and get weeded out--as lesson for those in the future.


Dogs

Wasn't there some kind of bail out for the airlines some time in our recent history?
 

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One of my mortgages is with IndyMac. I was hoping to be able to stop paying them.

I saw a guy on the news this AM that had 238 thousand in a savings account. The FDIC had him covered for 100 K and then .50 on the dollar for the rest.

He lost $ 69,000.00 of his life savings.

wtf

I would be concerned most about stocks that I have with a large bank. Wachovia. Stocks are not covered under FDIC.

If I get wind of any funny stuff with Wachovia , I will sell everything immediately as it is tied into my checking account.

What a bunch of bs when you can't trust banks anymore.
 

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One of my mortgages is with IndyMac. I was hoping to be able to stop paying them.

I saw a guy on the news this AM that had 238 thousand in a savings account. The FDIC had him covered for 100 K and then .50 on the dollar for the rest.

He lost $ 69,000.00 of his life savings.

wtf

I would be concerned most about stocks that I have with a large bank. Wachovia. Stocks are not covered under FDIC.

If I get wind of any funny stuff with Wachovia , I will sell everything immediately as it is tied into my checking account.

What a bunch of bs when you can't trust banks anymore.

you have to ask yourself,why the guy put $238000 in an account that`s only insured up to $100,000?.....

what did he expect to happen if we hit an economic crisis?....imo,he`s lucky to be getting $.50 on the dollar...

thats a gift...
 

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you have to ask yourself,why the guy put $238000 in an account that`s only insured up to $100,000?.....

what did he expect to happen if we hit an economic crisis?....imo,he`s lucky to be getting $.50 on the dollar...


thats a gift...
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If this was your money , I don't think you would be singing Happy Birthday or Merry Christmas

Most people have not seen their banks go under in their lifetime. I know some have.

Guess we got to stuff our cash under our mattress again.

Problem is the Feds dont announce they are closing a bank. The lines would be two miles long getting money out.
 
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